[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

But it's harmless ole Corbyn doing the bribing, so it's OK. Get with the programme Brillo.

Yep, one rule for one and all that. That 100bn is pure bribery - anyone that tries to convince otherwise is being disingenuous or a fool.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yep, one rule for one and all that. That 100bn is pure bribery - anyone that tries to convince otherwise is being disingenuous or a fool.

It's no more bribery than any other party manifesto promise. All parties make those. All parties try to appeal to certain people. Is it bribery? If you want to be pedantic, I suppose it is, but no more than tax cuts / concessions offered to any other section of society by any other party in a manifesto. Any manifesto is a document full of bribes and treats designed to entice voters, most of which will never happen. To suggest that only Corbyn / Labour have made election promises is ludicrous.

It is not the same as exchanges of money between political parties to secure votes in parliament. I'm convinced that no one really believes that its the same.

[user104658]

If we're going to be pretending that manifesto promises during an election campaign are in the same league as offering money to another political party, there's little point continuing this discussion.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If we're going to be pretending that manifesto promises during an election campaign are in the same league as offering money to another political party, there's little point continuing this discussion.

People shouldn't make promises unless they know they can 100% keep them.

He's backtracking already:

Ms Rayner said: "Jeremy said that that's an ambition, it's something that he'd like to do. It's something that we will not announce that we're doing unless we can afford to do that.

He bribed young people into voting for him over something he wasn't even sure would be affordable or sensible.

[the truth]

the left will bankrupt us yet again...as for the nhs they lost us 10s of billions due to insane middle management , endless cover ups, mass outbreaks of mrsa, allowing the nhs to waste billions on vanity surgery boobs jobs liposuction etc gp out of hours work ended, illegal wars, now after inventing tuition fees they want to end them and cost the economy £100 billion a year. labour brought in endless nonsense degree courses and wanted everyone to go to uni....what nonsense. they even allowed for a degree course in david beckham studies? not everyone goes to uni not everyone will be a doctor or a lawyer...some people have different skills talents ways of leanring and no labour fans not everyone is the same, everyone is different

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

they want to end them and cost the economy £100 billion a year.

honestly, no wonder some people get themselves so worked up, when they aren't reading or comprehending the figures properly. It does not cost the economy 100 billion per year. That would be an insane amount. It's a flat figure of all the debt that already exists that would be being written off. A one off thing.

The per-year figure for scrapping tuition fees is £9 billion.

[Kizzy]

Disgusting exploitation.

When Grace Parkins opened her first statement from the Student Loans Company she wasn’t prepared for what she saw. After four years studying she discovered she was now more than £69,000 in debt.

Parkins was one of the first generation of students to sign up to £9,000 a year tuition fees. Like many recent graduates, she had no idea she was also racking up £8,000 of interest on her student loan while still at university. Students currently pay interest of 4.6%, even while they study, and this will rise to 6.1% in September. “That should have been made much clearer,” she says. “I didn’t expect that at all. All I really knew was that I wouldn’t be repaying until I earned £21,000 and my outstanding debt would be written off after 30 years.”

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...s-tuition-fees

[the truth]

Too many expensive useless meaningless degree courses, too many easy grades being given out for a levels, some just for course work , mostly downloaded. Uni should only be for the very intelligent. Not promised to everyone. The fees however should be slashed. To ensure these costs are found elsewhere, we need a stronger economy though and far less public sector waste. This means less corrupt wasteful councils, slashing middle management across the pubic sector and nhs. Hold these councils more responsible for going over their budgets and punish them for the insane waste and mismanagement of public funds and resources,

[Livia]

How about we reorganise the academic year around the fruit and veg picking seasons?! Kill two birds with one stone...

I was disgusted when Labour introduced tuition fees and I was disgusted when the Tories trebled it. Education should be free.... and it could be made affordable by reducing the number of meaningless degrees on offer.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

How about we reorganise the academic year around the fruit and veg picking seasons?! Kill two birds with one stone...

I was disgusted when Labour introduced tuition fees and I was disgusted when the Tories trebled it. Education should be free.... and it could be made affordable by reducing the number of meaningless degrees on offer.

I think you make interesting points in most of your post.

Like you I was furious Labour introduced tuition fees at 3k absolutely.

The Con plan to at least double them in 2010 lost the Cons my vote.
Unbelievable disgust then followed from me when they legislated not doubling them but 'trebling' them, then got Lib Dem support to do so too.

[waterhog]

I think education education education is a good thing. I am still studying poetry and I am not better then when I first started and I have spent more then 100 bn so I hope that puts things in perspective

[Vicky.]

I'm not sure uni fees need to be abolished totally. But I do think they are at ridiculous levels. This would be one pledge I wouldn't mind seeing Corbyn back down on..or at least tweak a little bit. I think other areas need more attention first though, given student loans don't even start getting paid back until higher wages are reached, so they aren't like...real debts which have to be paid even when you fall on hard times.

Having said that...I find it most peculiar that people that support the endless Tory cuts to the likes of the NHS and such..suddenly care about NHS funding.

[Withano]

Not to get too patriotic.. but isnt the education levels in the UK one of its greatest assets? Why cant we prioritise that, other countries do.
Corbyn was always gonna tax the wealthy corporations that were raking in their cash, something the tories will never put in place - Labour have the money to move - the tories do not.
This is more of a hypothetical argument, it has been since the OP, but I do believe further education should be free, it works well in many other countries.

[Kizzy]

A university vice chancellor has defended his £230,000 salary amid accusations by a former higher education minister that institutions’ top managements are operating a “cartel”.

Bill Rammell, VC of the University of Bedfordshire, said he did “a very demanding job in a competitive market” and denied claims that soaring tuition fees were going to fund a bloated layer of managers at the expense of students and academic staff.

But Andrew Adonis, a former HE minister, said salaries for top management should be slashed across the sector to show “leadership” and to help reduce fees, which he now believes were a mistake.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7840401.html

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A university vice chancellor has defended his £230,000 salary amid accusations by a former higher education minister that institutions’ top managements are operating a “cartel”.

Bill Rammell, VC of the University of Bedfordshire, said he did “a very demanding job in a competitive market” and denied claims that soaring tuition fees were going to fund a bloated layer of managers at the expense of students and academic staff.

But Andrew Adonis, a former HE minister, said salaries for top management should be slashed across the sector to show “leadership” and to help reduce fees, which he now believes were a mistake.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7840401.html

Same as council bosses under labour and mass middle management across the entire local government and nhs trusts under labour....cost the tax payer billions. Surprised you werent just as angry about that? Or were you less angry because that was labour?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Same as council bosses under labour and mass middle management across the entire local government and nhs trusts under labour....cost the tax payer billions. Surprised you werent just as angry about that? Or were you less angry because that was labour?

I am as it happens :/