[saiwong]

I think what Cameron is ranting about is what some people call 3rd wave feminism
which has tainted the original feminism ideals.

No-one, male or female should be hitting each-other, but if someone is hit they should have the right to retaliate and defend themselves.


As mentioned above...
I don't disagree that women should be immune from retaliation if they hit someone.

I agree, women can't demand equality and then play the 'weaker sex' card.

If you want equality you need to accept everything (the good and the bad). You can't pick and choose which bits of equality you like and discard the rest.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I think what Cameron is ranting about is what some people call 3rd wave feminism
which has tainted the original feminism ideals.

No-one, male or female should be hitting each-other, but if someone is hit they should have the right to retaliate and defend themselves.


As mentioned above...
I don't disagree that women should be immune from retaliation if they hit someone.

I agree, women can't demand equality and then play the 'weaker sex' card.

If you want equality you need to accept everything (the good and the bad). You can't pick and choose which bits of equality you like and discard the rest.

This is an example where a woman uses her gender/sexuality & strength against a man and she picked the wrong person as this guy was a total psycho!!! .

Youtube video

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I think what Cameron is ranting about is what some people call 3rd wave feminism
which has tainted the original feminism ideals.

No-one, male or female should be hitting each-other, but if someone is hit they should have the right to retaliate and defend themselves.


As mentioned above...
I don't disagree that women should be immune from retaliation if they hit someone.

I agree, women can't demand equality and then play the 'weaker sex' card.

If you want equality you need to accept everything (the good and the bad). You can't pick and choose which bits of equality you like and discard the rest.

I agree with the last bit quite a lot
I don’t wanna get too political, but I feel like if women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men, which is really great, then they should also bear the consequences of this, because surprise being a man in society isn’t all sunshine. I’ll be content when we see moral protest against gender roles on both ends of the spectrum, which I feel is quite lacking in the daily conversation. Right now it’s just more about women wanting powerful roles

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I agree with the last bit quite a lot
I don’t wanna get too political, but I feel like if women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men, which is really great, then they should also bear the consequences of this, because surprise being a man in society isn’t all sunshine. I’ll be content when we see moral protest against gender roles on both ends of the spectrum, which I feel is quite lacking in the daily conversation. Right now it’s just more about women wanting powerful roles

I think Anamelia is the worst typical feminist !!! . Lewis F albeit not the most articulate had her card marked from the beginning .

Equality should be BOTH MEN & WOMEN !!! . Not just women acting like they rule the world .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I agree with the last bit quite a lot
I don’t wanna get too political, but I feel like if women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men, which is really great, then they should also bear the consequences of this, because surprise being a man in society isn’t all sunshine. I’ll be content when we see moral protest against gender roles on both ends of the spectrum, which I feel is quite lacking in the daily conversation. Right now it’s just more about women wanting powerful roles

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

[crashandburn]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

Agreed. It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

Agreed. It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

...He's an adult. He's allowed his opinion without being patronized by his age too.

[copy40]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

Agreed. It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

As his father all his political views and any other he has are his own he never knew his grandfather announce for me I don't have political views and I think you need to listen to the video carefully before you come to assumptions

[Alf]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

Agreed.It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

Where is he setting down terms? He's giving his opinion, which is most definitely his and every mans place.

Your problem with him looks to me like that you don't want him to have an opinion unless it agrees with yours.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

If anyone hits a person then they can't expect to get away with it or think that's ok . There's alot of double standards in society.

Self defence is ok and is not the same as beating someone for the sake of it .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

Bit off more than you can chew by being equal? Um ok then will we just leave the boys to be in charge so we're not chewing too much

[crashandburn]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

the point is it's not his place to set down the terms of equality as if he owns it and he'll only "let" women have it if they abide by his terms. He's a little boy. He doesn't have a clue. He's just vomiting up recycled opinions from his tory family that have been fed to him all his life and he doesn't really know what he's saying.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

Mmhhm

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

You're taking it out of context ! .

If a man gets slapped across his face 9 out of 10 times he won't even touch a woman back i hope you realise that ? . He'll shout and probably call her crazy !! but that's it , he might even just walk away .

It's as if it's the norm for a woman to hit a guy without reprecussion . Unless that guy is being a total thug or vile then there's no excuse to hit him .

But it works both ways , self defence is there to protect the person who's UNFAIRLY being attacked physically and that goes for both FEMALE & MALE ! .

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

yup

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I agree with the last bit quite a lot
I don’t wanna get too political, but I feel like if women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men, which is really great, then they should also bear the consequences of this, because surprise being a man in society isn’t all sunshine. I’ll be content when we see moral protest against gender roles on both ends of the spectrum, which I feel is quite lacking in the daily conversation. Right now it’s just more about women wanting powerful roles

this comment is a bit problematic because it implies that men are treated worse than women in society when that's completely the opposite

i don't know if that's exactly what you mean but that's what it's implying

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by montblanc

this comment is a bit problematic because it implies that men are treated worse than women in society when that's completely the opposite

i don't know if that's exactly what you mean but that's what it's implying

It's literally just stating the obvious that men have problems too. Show me where he said or implied that men have it worse than women?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

It's literally just stating the obvious that men have problems too. Show me where he said or implied that men have it worse than women?

literally the whole sentence lmao

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by montblanc

this comment is a bit problematic because it implies that men are treated worse than women in society when that's completely the opposite

i don't know if that's exactly what you mean but that's what it's implying

what??? No

Holy fk like if it’s only about priority then why are we discussing feminism at all and why aren’t we assuming all our efforts going to Africa and ending poverty and famine? Like I’m sure they have it worse there than anywhere in the world

Being a man in society has its lavish list of benefits, but also it’s downfalls, same for the other gender too, maybe one has it worse than the other, does that not mean the other side of the coin warrants discussion?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I think what Cameron is ranting about is what some people call 3rd wave feminism
which has tainted the original feminism ideals.

No-one, male or female should be hitting each-other, but if someone is hit they should have the right to retaliate and defend themselves.


As mentioned above...
I don't disagree that women should be immune from retaliation if they hit someone.

I agree, women can't demand equality and then play the 'weaker sex' card.

If you want equality you need to accept everything (the good and the bad). You can't pick and choose which bits of equality you like and discard the rest.

A wise post as ever, Saiwong.

Feminism used to be about attaining equal rights and opportunities; it was also about harmony between the sexes.


Too many people nowadays want a 'have your cake and eat it' approach to equality:

Demanding gender equality - in more pleasant industries such as the media.

Not demanding gender equality - in less pleasant industries like sewage work or rubbish clearance.

Funny that.

[Headie]

Idk why y'all stanned him in the first place

[armand.kay]

I can't believe I almost stanned a WHOLE meninist

[Withano]

UGH, and there he was sitting as my profiles bb19 favourite

This is why we must never trust tories ever, even the nice ones are *****.