[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's more like very extreme form of pneumonia, and combined with how it spreads almost as rapidly as common flu virus then yes this is a serious virus

pneumonia also kinda destroys the lungs

Uk intensive care wards are reporting 50% death rates ONCE you get to that stage ..

The wards have loads of 20-40 years olds in intensive care wards .. most had NO underlying conditions.

This is seriously scary




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[The Slim Reaper]

Names of the first 3 doctors in the UK to die from protecting us:

Amged el-Hawrani
Adel el-Tayar
Habib Zaidi

Remember this next time immigration is being used to sow hatred.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Names of the first 3 doctors in the UK to die from protecting us:

Amged el-Hawrani
Adel el-Tayar
Habib Zaidi

Remember this next time immigration is being used to sow hatred.

I was just reading about this so sad and 100% with what you say here, my guess is people will have very short memories.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was just reading about this so sad and 100% with what you say here, my guess is people will have very short memories.

What were there names?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's more like very extreme form of pneumonia, and combined with how it spreads almost as rapidly as common flu virus then yes this is a serious virus

It is NOT like having a very extreme form of pneumonia at all in over 90% of cases. In a further 5% (of confirmed cases) it progresses to pneumonia-like symptoms needing an oxygen mask. In the worst 5% it requires a full ventilator (and that 5% is like severe pneumonia).

Please stop peddling the myth that everyone who gets Covid gets severe respiratory symptoms anything like pneumonia. It isn't true OR helpful.

[Kizzy]

This is from 2003
https://www.info.gov.hk/info/sars/en/faq.htm

[Kizzy]

That's not true.. there have been breakouts of extremely similar coronaviruses within the last 20yrs there are 100s of academic articles and contingency plans on best practice from the WHO and many many other health advisory bodies.
It's a total cop out and a lie to say they didn't know what the outcome could be, so as a member of the public that is at risk the reaction should not be naw, poor boris he didn't know.. it should be what do you mean you didn't know?! Of course you know it's your damn job to know!!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true.. there have been breakouts of extremely similar coronaviruses within the last 20yrs there are 100s of academic articles and contingency plans on best practice from the WHO and many many other health advisory bodies.
It's a total cop out and a lie to say they didn't know what the outcome could be, so as a member of the public that is at risk the reaction should not be naw, poor boris he didn't know.. it should be what do you mean you didn't know?! Of course you know it's your damn job to know!!

Yup, pretty much every virologist has been warning that it was "when, not if" there would be a global pandemic sine SARS-1 and that was in 2003. And plenty were talking about it before that. No one was interested.

You can Google academic papers from 2005-or-so that were warning that this was coming.

Hopefully they've learned the lesson now because there will definitely be new outbreaks in future. And believe it or not this one isn't even comparatively all that bad. If SARS-1 had gone pandemic it would make this look like a walk in the park.

[Kizzy]

Just watched this.. the intreviewee suggets that you can become reinfected with this...so what good is the antibody test?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...a-2020-3%3famp

[Kizzy]

The comparisons in the death rates from Spanish flu are not comparable either the death rate was 0.2% or something ..whereas this it's 3.4% less people infected more deaths.

Oh and Spanish flu came back, it was swine flu in 2009/10 H1N1

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Just watched this.. the intreviewee suggets that you can become reinfected with this...so what good is the antibody test?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...a-2020-3%3famp

That's from March 9TH, nearly 3 weeks ago (and the data on this is very fast moving). All of the latest evidence is that MOST recovered Covid-19 cases have immunity, and even when not full immunity, reinfection is milder. There were some scare stories about "even worse" reinfection in the early days when it had barely spread out of China but they were pretty much just gossip.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The comparisons in the death rates from Spanish flu are not comparable either the death rate was 0.2% or something ..whereas this it's 3.4% less people infected more deaths.

Oh and Spanish flu came back, it was swine flu in 2009/10 H1N1

The mortality rate of Spanish Flu was 2.5% globally, I don't know where you got 0.2% from?

For Covid 3.4% of confirmed cases result in death but we know (for a fact) that testing at this point isn't just inadequate, it's ground to an almost total halt. You can't even get through to 111 to ASK. Some NHS front line staff can't get a test for 10 days+, other people with symptoms realistically can't get a test at all. The testing situation is even worse in Italy/France/Spain.

The real number of cases is much, much higher. That's not just a theory at this point, it's just how it is... Not enough tests by a long, long way. Expert opinion still places the true death rate in the 1% range which yes is worse than most normal variants of flu and still a scary number, but it's not unprecedented and lower than both Spanish flu and the smaller epidemic in the 50's.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's from March 9TH, nearly 3 weeks ago (and the data on this is very fast moving). All of the latest evidence is that MOST recovered Covid-19 cases have immunity, and even when not full immunity, reinfection is milder. There were some scare stories about "even worse" reinfection in the early days when it had barely spread out of China but they were pretty much just gossip.
The mortality rate of Spanish Flu was 2.5% globally, I don't know where you got 0.2% from?

For Covid 3.4% of confirmed cases result in death but we know (for a fact) that testing at this point isn't just inadequate, it's ground to an almost total halt. You can't even get through to 111 to ASK. Some NHS front line staff can't get a test for 10 days+, other people with symptoms realistically can't get a test at all. The testing situation is even worse in Italy/France/Spain.

The real number of cases is much, much higher. That's not just a theory at this point, it's just how it is... Not enough tests by a long, long way. Expert opinion still places the true death rate in the 1% range which yes is worse than most normal variants of flu and still a scary number, but it's not unprecedented and lower than both Spanish flu and the smaller epidemic in the 50's.

Thank goodness I really hope there is no reinfection I didn't think that could happen with any virus once you had it and fought it off you were immune? ..

I've read that figure a lot today as the exposure was so high, millions getting it even though the deaths were high the death rate based on those infected was low? Mind you that could have been from the 2009/ 10 H1N1 flu?

Yep testing is pants. . Practically none existant, thing they're hoping most will peg it at home without any fuss. The death rate is still rising so who knows? I hope 1% is right over 3.4% :/

[The Slim Reaper]

What a ****

[The Slim Reaper]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What a ****

They should have him in dictionaries as an example of the figurative use of the word c u n t

[Kizzy]

I just don't get these stats for the UK..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Why Is the recovery figure so low and why are they saying only 163 people are critical if over 200 are dying a day?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I just don't get these stats for the UK..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Why Is the recovery figure so low and why are they saying only 163 people are critical if over 200 are dying a day?

Looks like (extremely, almost nonexistent) reporting of recoveries.

[Parmy]

Is it a comfortable death?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Is it a comfortable death?

Depends on if you get hospital treatment. If you die on ventilator you most likely won't even know anything about it. If you can't access treatment/sedation I imagine it's not the most pleasant (breathing difficulties) but that said, respiratory and cardiovascular failure is one of the most common causes of "old age" death and always has been, so not really any different a death than a lot of people get.

I suppose the harsh truth is, unless you're under sedation there aren't many comfortable deaths. The image we like to have of old people slipping away in their sleep is sadly not that common. Both of my parents worked in elderly care (my mum was a ward sister in a private care home, my dad was a specialist dementia nurse) and weren't shy about telling me that most people aren't that lucky. When my own mum died she was filled to the eyeballs with morphine and sedation, which I'm quite thankful for.

So I guess the answer is, if you're sedated on ventilator it's a better death than most.

Sorry for the grim post .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Depends on if you get hospital treatment. If you die on ventilator you most likely won't even know anything about it. If you can't access treatment/sedation I imagine it's not the most pleasant (breathing difficulties) but that said, respiratory and cardiovascular failure is one of the most common causes of "old age" death and always has been, so not really any different a death than a lot of people get.

I suppose the harsh truth is, unless you're under sedation there aren't many comfortable deaths. The image we like to have of old people slipping away in their sleep is sadly not that common. Both of my parents worked in elderly care (my mum was a ward sister in a private care home, my dad was a specialist dementia nurse) and weren't shy about telling me that most people aren't that lucky. When my own mum died she was filled to the eyeballs with morphine and sedation, which I'm quite thankful for.

So I guess the answer is, if you're sedated on ventilator it's a better death than most.

Sorry for the grim post .

Thanks, that's a weight off my mind.

[thesheriff443]

Just to put deaths in some kind of perspective 9.6 million people died of cancer world wide in 2018 .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just to put deaths in some kind of perspective 9.6 million people died of cancer world wide in 2018 .

It doesn't put anything in perspective. .but just so you have some perspective we knew cancer existed, untill 6 weeks ago we didn't know this existed.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It doesn't put anything in perspective. .but just so you have some perspective we knew cancer existed, untill 6 weeks ago we didn't know this existed.

You didn’t know the thousands being killed by flu each year.

It’s just something else to kill humans.

[The Slim Reaper]

Good job I'm isolating from cancer then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Good job I'm isolating from cancer then.

By staying away from passive smoke