[bots]

Nobody thought the tories would be wiped out at the next election when Boris won in a landslide

[Swan]

Probably a stupid analogy but lets say you're a neutral (centralist) watching 2 football teams you're not really arsed about, as both mean very little to you. Some years you can get behind the certain "set up", the certain "manager" (Party leader), the "players" (current MP's) and you'll lean for the team you favour that year, out of the 2. And if a certain team that year could help "your team" (what you believe in, on any subject) then you'll lean towards them, support them, want them to win. Therefore be more likely to vote for them. It's honestly that simple, silly analogy aside.

I dunno, i know what im trying to say, probably sounds silly reading in text. But the fact of the matter is, Centralist's help swing elections, we're as important as any hardcore leftie or rightie, in fact we're probably more important when it comes to the vote. It's crucial for both parties to appeal to the centralist's if they want to win.

The biggest problem with the left is they see centralist's as right leaning and more likely to vote for the "opposition". In fairness, that probably proven true in the past 10 years or so. The left have become so authoritarian, that what was once very much centre-left is now considered firm (not far, firm) right wing.

But you also must see, and understand, how WE as centralist's see the right wing upper class' arrogance. A centralist usually wants to vote left honestly, you just make things so difficult for us with all this "YOU MUST SEE IT OUR WAY AND THAT'S THAT" kinda attitude. Let us debate certain issues, let a centrailist question these things, without calling him/her a "racist/phobe/bigot" etc.

Anyway, fck this, that's enough politics for me on a Saturday night. But bare this in mind...... When you have Boris Johnson, PM at the time, go on national TV and tell people (in the midst of a cost of living crisis) to "buy a new kettle as it could save you £10 a YEAR in energy" you, as a centralist are NOT on his Tory side, at ALL. Man was taking the piss. People like BJ wouldn't know what actual hardship, and financial struggles were if they got their massive shclongs out and slapped him across the face with them!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aaand the thread descends into a look how big my progressive down wiv the kids dick looks

Pathetic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

Aaand the thread descends into a look how big my progressive down wiv the kids dick looks

Pathetic

"Help help they're using big words again, big words are woke!"

[user104658]

Aaaand why are you starting every post with "aaaand" recently LT? It's daaaft. What a spoooon.

[Cherie]

Rife with the usual mysogny as well, using Kate and I as examples of why something something is terrible, good job I have a sense of my own worth, the likes of Slim would like to crush me under his mansplaining ...tough

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Rife with the usual mysogny as well, using Kate and I as examples of why something something is terrible, good job I have a sense of my own worth, the likes of Slim would like to crush me under his mansplaining ...tough

Have to agree on that one Cherie, although I doubt it's intentional, holding women "to a higher moral standard" than what's expected of male peers is a very common form of unconscious misogyny.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Rife with the usual mysogny as well, using Kate and I as examples of why something something is terrible, good job I have a sense of my own worth, the likes of Slim would like to crush me under his mansplaining ...tough

Point out 2 liberal dudes on the forum that quickly jumped on board with the riots or have changed politically so quickly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Point out 2 liberal dudes on the forum that quickly jumped on board with the riots or have changed politically so quickly.

That is neither here or there.....you don't need to single out members of the forum to make a point, the fact that you do though shows me who you are....to a tee, also I haven't changed political view at all, I have been politically homeless for the last two elections and remain so.....but you know me better than I know myself obviously

Never see you hold Arista or Alf to account, great banter there for sure.

Apologies Arista and Alf you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them but the obvious kowtowing by Slim to you both is quiet hilarious while singling out me and Kate

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Have to agree on that one Cherie, although I doubt it's intentional, holding women "to a higher moral standard" than what's expected of male peers is a very common form of unconscious misogyny.

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The "I'm such a big fan of me" vibe in this thread is actually off the scale"

Usual two suspects

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

You are like a dog with a bone with Joey, why don't you just realise he doesn't want to engage with you instead of baiting him?

You come onto this forum to put mainly women down, you show yourself as bitter and not interested in people's viewpoints or even try to understand a viewpoint, its all you you you....you know best for everyone, its tiresome, you dont have kids, you dont have responsibility....you just look after yourself and your cat...once you come into the real world ...maybe you will understand people come from different view points, essentially unless you are far left or far right...views are worth a consideration

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

I actually didn't even think of it causing gross offense is the honest answer here - I've had my own subconscious bias so regularly challenged on the issues of subtle societal misogyny so frequently that it's become not a thing. It's not a moral high ground stance I'm still regularly challenged on it often enough lol. Women are held to a higher moral standard by both sides of the political spectrum; almost considered class traitors for not being progressive enough. It's an issue but it wasn't meant to be that deep. We're fellas raised in a patriarchal society, to claim that we don't hold some deep rooted unintentional misogynistic reactions is limiting, is all. I will take on board that I've at some point forgotten that "that might be misogyny" is for most people confronting.

FWIW it's not so much that I had an issue with the observation of a political switch, more that you for some reason chose to lump Kate and Cherie into one sentence on the topic, when (in my view, anyway) I think the only thing that they really have in common on here, is that they're female members. I found them an odd pairing to use as an example. It certainly feels like an "...even the female members" statement, when the bar for male members on here is in the actual sewers, and while holding the bar higher for female members might feel like it's a positive assessment/acknowledgement of how low the standards are of the blokes, it actually never plays that way in practice. It just adds the pressure of an additional expectation.

[Swan]

I knew you'd ignore, yet take digs at my centrists post Slim. We aint against you, but not everything is black and white. Im proud to know my own mind.

[Cherie]

anyhow I am out for now,going to watch a movie with the old man....night all

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

anyhow I am out for now,going to watch a movie with the old man....night all

Is it Santa? Night Cherie

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Father Chris Mouse

Is it Santa? Night Cherie

he does have white stubble good luck to Chelsea tomorrow

I'm going to watch Norwich v Burnley with my youngest as he has ticketss who is also the Chelsea fan....so double bubble hopefully

Night Swan

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Father Chris Mouse

I knew you'd ignore, yet take digs at my centrists post Slim. We aint against you, but not everything is black and white. Im proud to know my own mind.

I haven't taken any digs at you, my friend. I didn't reply to your post, because I replied to sb, followed relatively quickly by Cherie writing me loveletters. I did plan to write a reply but it would have prob been tomorrow. Seems a bit moot now.

I don't need validation. I just pop on occasionally write a few posts, then disappear. it's not me who loses my sh1t because the nasty man is here to disagree with me.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I haven't taken any digs at you, my friend. I didn't reply to your post, because I replied to sb, followed relatively quickly by Cherie writing me loveletters. I did plan to write a reply but it would have prob been tomorrow. Seems a bit moot now.

I don't need validation. I just pop on occasionally write a few posts, then disappear. it's not me who loses my sh1t because the nasty man is here to disagree with me.

I get drunk, make myself look silly, and leave for a few days, usually head held in shame....

But, i don't hate your hate on us centralists, i just think you have your team, and don't understand "drifters"?

You know i have a lot of respect for you. Honestly, if there was NO ONE in the middle, this country would be ****ed!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Father Chris Mouse

I get drunk, make myself look silly, and leave for a few days, usually head held in shame....

But, i don't hate your hate on us centralists, i just think you have your team, and don't understand "drifters"?

You know i have a lot of respect for you. Honestly, if there was NO ONE in the middle, this country would be ****ed!

I disagree with you but as you're a dude, it's not an issue, my brother

Seriously. I've written enough on centrism already. there is loads more I could write, but I think the forum might explode if I do.

What put us on to a path was post war socialism. That's just a fact. Now, if socialism had been in charge of the country for 50 years, then human nature and corruption would have taken over, and it would have failed. However, right wing neoliberalism has been in charge for 50 years, and it has failed. No one thinks this country is in a healthy state at the moment, and yet right wing neoliberalism can't survive on the right alone, it needed the centre, whether that's Blairs (a thatcher acolyte) version of neoliberalism (more centrist, and better, actually - but not good enough), or Camerons/Johnsons, right through to truss' libertarian version.

None of this would have been possible without the centre ground.

Now after 50 years of this, absolutely no change is on offer, only more of the exact same thing, only this time with a different colour rosette. For this to keep happening, then centrists need to have been on board and whether that's knowingly or unwittingly the results are the same.

Centrist labour members were awarded peerages by Johnsons tory party for working against labour with false smears. When centrists have the choice of left or right, they invariably, and provably go right. Now that's ok if that's what people believe, but to pretend that isn't actually the case is not a position based in reality.

[Cherie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper View Post
We've only had the chat for a few hours, and it's a Friday night - not really surprising. Need to give folks the chance to get sorted. Chill, sister Kate.

What even is that, you are making my skin crawl, aside from that you bring up two mods who said something to you in private years ago about my attitude to you,not too hard to figure out who they are, nice of you to throw people who probably consider you as a friend under the bus just to point score though, I am putting you on permanent ignore now, you will be all on your own on there, I just cannot be dealing with your gaslighting creepy bullshit for another minute on here, so chat away to yourself, bring me up as many times as you want as per your obsession with me, but I wont be reading it .

[Kate!]

Hi.

This is difficult as I claim both Cherie and Slim as friends and like them both.

I have little to say except that I didn't take offence at Slim saying I was a Robinson supporter, and I've told him so. I looked up acolyte as I wasn't sure of the meaning and it means follower.

I'd like to add that I don't support riots by following Tommy and if you take time to find out truly what he's all about he is a peaceful man, as is Paul Thorpe one of his associates. People probably won't agree, that's fine.

I'm sad Cherie feels aggrieved and I can see both sides of the disagreement. I'll stay neutral.

Peace to you both and I hope maybe one day your differences will resolve. If not then please know I enjoy and appreciate you both on a personal level.

Thank you for listening.

Kate xx

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Hi.

This is difficult as I claim both Cherie and Slim as friends and like them both.

I have little to say except that I didn't take offence at Slim saying I was a Robinson supporter, and I've told him so. I looked up acolyte as I wasn't sure of the meaning and it means follower.

I'd like to add that I don't support riots by following Tommy and if you take time to find out truly what he's all about he is a peaceful man, as is Paul Thorpe one of his associates. People probably won't agree, that's fine.

I'm sad Cherie feels aggrieved and I can see both sides of the disagreement. I'll stay neutral.

Peace to you both and I hope maybe one day your differences will resolve. If not then please know I enjoy and appreciate you both on a personal level.

Thank you for listening.

Kate xx

No bother Kate thanks for posting