[The Slim Reaper]

Greens the only progressive party on that list.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Greens the only progressive party on that list.

Starmer's reset speech the other day has had a good effect then

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Starmer's reset speech the other day has had a good effect then

This is another part of centrism I didn't even get to. Labour were voted in for change, and the fact they are a tepid party only interested in protecting the status quo (which of course, I pointed out years before an election was even called), will be the final driver of sending folks towards reform. When centrism gets power and does little to nothing with it, RW demagogues are the main beneficiaries, with the simple solutions (however wrong they may be) they offer, such as immigrants being the cause of all the nations ills. Especially during desperate times, which we are definitely in.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Greens the only progressive party on that list.

Reform's ahead of the Tories?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

Reform's ahead of the Tories?

Keep up Mock, thet Tories have tanked

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Keep up Mock, thet Tories have tanked

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Keep up Mock, thet Tories have tanked

I didn't think by that much.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

Reform's ahead of the Tories?

as is the case near all the time Mock.
Polls are not reliable.

Selectively taking one only to make some point is never a wise move.

There's 2 other polls out around the same time as that one.

One has Labour and Conservatives each on 26% with Reform on 19%

Another has Labour on 27%, the Conservatives on 25% and Reform on 22%

They're easy to see by just entering as a search 'latest UK opinion polls'.
So the whole picture of the opinion polling world is seen, not a tiny snapshot of only one.

The polls reflect certainly the dismay and disillusionment in politics.
They tell us little of where all will be in July/August 2029.

Remember Farage proclaiming in an election debate that Reform had now gone ahead of the Conservatives in the polls.
Yet on election day, Reform were 10% behind the Conservatives.
The Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 14%

Reliance on opinion polls is not a recommendation I'd make, and certainly NEVER on only one single poll.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

as is the case near all the time Mock.
Polls are not reliable.

Selectively taking one only to make some point is never a wise move.

There's 2 other polls out around the same time as that one.

One has Labour and Conservatives each on 26% with Reform on 19%

Another has Labour on 27%, the Conservatives on 25% and Reform on 22%

They're easy to see by just entering as a search 'latest UK opinion polls'.
So the whole picture of the opinion polling world is seen, not a tiny snapshot of only one.

The polls reflect certainly the dismay and disillusionment in politics.
They tell us little of where all will be in July/August 2029.

Remember Farage proclaiming in an election debate that Reform had now gone ahead of the Conservatives in the polls.
Yet on election day, Reform were 10% behind the Conservatives.
The Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 14%

Reliance on opinion polls is not a recommendation I'd make, and certainly NEVER on only one single poll.

It wasn't a selectively chosen poll. The numbers are almost irrelevant for the point I wanted to make. Moving a few points around is neither here nor there, because we have the Starmer/Reeves lab party in power - the archetypal centrist party. Very concerned with being seen as grown ups making tough choices, and yet those tough choices are exactly the same ones as the tories made (with the support of the centrist LD party, no less).

Labour have co-opted the language of reform, when it comes to immigration, and have generally been the centre right party I pointed out to you numerous times, and you failed to accept was the reality. I've quoted you numerous times asking you to comment on what lab are doing and have done...crickets. That's fine, you don't owe me a response, but now you want to talk about my post and where you feel it fails, I feel like you've opened up the channel again, so let's talk about it.

When push comes to shove, centrists will fight against the policies that actually made this country great - The post war socialism that built the NHS, workers rights, the welfare state, high taxation leading to free education. None of this is even discussed in classrooms or on news programs.

Instead, we get reform, who have 5 mp's, and yet they're on all the beebs politics shows on a constant loop. When do Independent alliance or green mp's get open invites? That's on the supposedly lefty BBC, no less. The centre of this country is pushing right wing politics down our throats, and most people think this makes them centrists.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

as is the case near all the time Mock.
Polls are not reliable.

Selectively taking one only to make some point is never a wise move.

There's 2 other polls out around the same time as that one.

One has Labour and Conservatives each on 26% with Reform on 19%

Another has Labour on 27%, the Conservatives on 25% and Reform on 22%

They're easy to see by just entering as a search 'latest UK opinion polls'.
So the whole picture of the opinion polling world is seen, not a tiny snapshot of only one.

The polls reflect certainly the dismay and disillusionment in politics.
They tell us little of where all will be in July/August 2029.

Remember Farage proclaiming in an election debate that Reform had now gone ahead of the Conservatives in the polls.
Yet on election day, Reform were 10% behind the Conservatives.
The Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 14%

Reliance on opinion polls is not a recommendation I'd make, and certainly NEVER on only one single poll.

Oh, I agree that surveys/opinion polls aren't everything.

But I am fascinated that the Reform hype hasn't died down by now, like I thought it would've.