[Kazanne]

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

That video sums it up

Wade looked like he was having a Eminem complex back then , he knew from then what was right & wrong and he knew exactly what child abuse was . in fact he completely denies it in such a strong way . His family defend MJ as well , so if he knew all along he was being abused this doesn't fit with his story .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That video sums it up

Wade looked like he was having a Eminem complex back then , he knew from then what was right & wrong and he knew exactly what child abuse was . in fact he completely denies it in such a strong way . His family defend MJ as well , so if he knew all along he was being abused this doesn't fit with his story .

Watching the docu the other night I saw him dressed as Eminem. ..I thought that he looked so young and impressionable....maybe Michael had him fitted out with the hair and clothes so he could feel like he was abusing Eminem at night.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

Kazanne there's nothing in that video that we haven't seen 20 times before and hasn't been discussed as many times!

Sorry at this point I have to just say in advance, I listened to what you said about people not watching the video "evidence" you were posting so I've been trying to do the courtesy of actually watching them, but I'm not going to click on any more because it's an utter waste of everyone's time. Half of this "revealing" footage of Robson was in the documentary and yet its being presented here as some sort of evidence. Or rather, "Eviedances Wade are LYING to money gettings" or whatever.

The video shows literally nothing. It shows that some kids who spent time with MJ defend him; we already knew this. It shows that Wade defended him as a kid and in his early 20's; we already knew this. It says "and then he changed his story!"; obviously, we already know this. And people are like "WHY? For what possible reason? How do you explain that?" - - That's what the entire 4 hour documentary is about!

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

I think he's telling truth with his family,see how they all defend mj .
I believe he's now lying through his teeth.

[Parmy]

The money thing seems to be the only thing that will hurt mj and his family who are abusing his name...who the he'll do the family think they are?

Easily accepting the bad things michael went through with no proof but oh no...not the bad things he did..bunch of greedy hypocrites just in it for themselves and the money they will lose....

[joeysteele]

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

Yes actually I do.

Special dinners and treats yes.

I recall all good and special times, especially when its spent with people I wanted to be with.

At 10 and early teens to be at special meals and occasions with special relatives and friends.
All my schoolfriends parties and them at mine too.

Should I go on.
As my memory is actually red hot as to my life.
I can even remember my Grandmother taking me to my first lunch in a cafe at 4 years old and her lifting me onto a stool.

Yes, I can remember.
No need for me to make anything up.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes actually I do.

Special dinners and treats yes.

I recall all good and special times, especially when its spent with people I wanted to be with.

At 10 and early teens to be at special meals and occasions with special relatives and friends.
All my schoolfriends parties and them at mine too.

Should I go on.
As my memory is actually red hot as to my life.
I can even remember my Grandmother taking me to my first lunch in a cafe at 4 years old and her lifting me onto a stool.

Yes, I can remember.
No need for me to make anything up.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

Joey didn't say every dinner he said ,special dinners surely we all remember those, and yes I remember being abused but not the time and date.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

Why the blotting out.
I said red hot not a swear word.

I would hold the view people could remember dates and times they were abused.

However on such as dinners and occasions, they are good memories.
I'd doubt being abused is.

Actually I will do no convincing of Kazanne at all thank you.
Unlike myself she has been abused and has shared that, I think courageously.

I will show her the respect she should have as to that and not constantly just nitpick.
She knows how she felt, what she recalls and I'd guess they're at times painful memories.

She speaks from experience however.
I admire and respect her incredibly for even trying to guide us on the issue.

What I admire too re Kazanne, is her more respect for law and not willing to override the law on the strength only of 2, ( being generous to them here), apparent liars.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes actually I do.

..........do you have eidetic memory, Joey? Have you looked into it? Because if this is true; I can assure you, it isn't usual, it is extremely rare.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

..........do you have eidetic memory, Joey? Have you looked into it? Because if this is true; I can assure you, it isn't usual, it is extremely rare.

No, just a brilliant memory.
My family call me the encyclopedia of family matters.
I can recall in an instant, conversations, events, dates and times.
It's a massive bonus in my work too.

So I won't be looking into it.
No requirement for sarcasm.

I simply have a brilliant memory, pure and simple.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

How is that even possible? You remember dates, locations, people with you of every time you have eaten out since being 10?? Do you document it or just remember?

I can barely remember who I had dinner with last month, let alone years ago. Its a skill that

[thesheriff443]

Logic tells you it’s not appropriate to sleep with kids.

Even my own daughter who is autistic, wanted a snuggle in bed but at her being twelve I felt she was too old and would make excuses about bugs so she had to sleep in her bed.

[Kazanne]

Another insightful video

Youtube video

[Vicky.]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/829005...er-and-author/

Name I haven't seen before in all of this, and not seeking cash either.

Michael Jackson called the 14-year-old his ‘Rubba Rubba’ boy and would grind on him in bed, it’s been claimed.

Author Michael Jacobshagen, now 35, has come forward to accuse the pop superstar of abuse and lift the lid on their bizarre two-decade relationship.

He met the King of Pop in Paris in 1995 and was invited on his European tour two years later where he infamously spent three weeks with the singer in a hotel suite.

And now as harrowing doc Leaving Neverland has aired claims of child sex abuse from two alleged victims, Jacobshagen has told how he too shared a bed with the star.

"When I slept in his bed, we wore just boxer shorts and he would put his arm around me and push his body to my body, like you would with a girlfriend,” Jacobshagen told the Sunday Mirror.

“He would put our bodies on each other and kiss me on the head and cheek. I woke many times and his hands were on me... one hand on the top of my legs and one hand around me."

Jacobshagen said the touching would become more intense when Michael was high on his medication.

“He’d pull me closer and be grabbing me more and kissing me more on the head and on the cheek, he would also stroke my hair," he claimed.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Name I haven't seen before in all of this, and not seeking cash either.

jacobshagen

well that name is abuse for starters

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/829005...er-and-author/

Name I haven't seen before in all of this, and not seeking cash either.

Once again all this is OLD rubbish that was debunked .

That German guy was selling fake mj memorabilia online and he got caught out ! .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Once again all this is OLD rubbish that was debunked .

That German guy was selling fake mj memorabilia online and he got caught out ! .

Fair enough, I am not as invested in this as you are so will bow to your knowledge. Was just a name that came up on a thread elsewhere that I had not seen before. I still don't believe that all the boys/men who have said they were abused are doing it just for the cash though. Its highly unlikely, one or two yeah fair enough, but theres been I think 7 overall? Each one is discredited immediately and money seeking, including the staff who say they saw dodgy stuff...always some reason to disbelieve, which tbh comes across as nothing but...pure faith. Not looking at things objectively.

Anyway, I decided I would leave the thread pages back but keep reading it and getting sucked in. So, attempting to leave again now as its just going round in circles tbh

[Denver]

It's clear as day he is a pedo

[Vicky.]

Also before I go, I really don't think TS is just nitpicking here, It IS highly unusual for anyone to remember every dinner they have had since aged 10. I believe you joey, however its not the norm at all, you really do have quite a skill there. Thats not me trying to be patronising or whatever, it really is unusual and, quite amazing tbh.

[Parmy]

Another telling fact about this is that everyone claiming to have had stuff done and the people who claim to have seen things...and the le toya reveal.....well, they all tie in with what he is accused off...to me that is to big a coincidence to ignore.....he had a certain type and taste, and all these claims prove that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Another telling fact about this is that everyone claiming to have had stuff done and the people who claim to have seen things...and the le toya reveal.....well, they all tie in with what he is accused off...to me that is to big a coincidence to ignore.....he had a certain type and taste, and all these claims prove that.