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Tom · 15-12-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Because I wouldnt question what someone says? Just because of stereotyping?

Yes that makes me sound ridiculous...

I'm sorry but step outside your flowery little bubble where everything is equal and look at this from a realistic point of view.

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Originally Posted by Jords

Tom I disagree with you.
Marco is actually gay, there is quite the correlation between being camp when a man is gay, so its not right to ask that.

Anyway, what makes you think Joe is gay? Did he do something inparticular?

I was using Marco as an example. We all know he's gay because he admitted it, but if he was still in the closet and was claiming he was straight, would you believe him? After all you can be extremely camp and straight ...

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Tom, lets try the opposite of what your saying.

Lets say...some big macho, not camp at all guy, tells you he is gay.

Would you believe him?

I'd be a bit uncertain tbh, I'd never believe he was fully blown gay if he was how you describe. Bi at most. What you fail to see is that there is psychology attached to sexuality and mannerisms e.g. there have been studies on the way straight and gay people walk.

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

I'm sorry but step outside your flowery little bubble where everything is equal and look at this from a realistic point of view.

Or maybe you should stop being a dick and accept that not everyone is as closed minded as you? Instead of me stepping out of my 'flowery little bubble'. Ive never heard anything so patronising in my entire life.

I know camp people who are straight. As I know gay people who are not the slightest bit camp. It happens.

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Originally Posted by Tom

I'd be a bit uncertain tbh, I'd never believe he was fully blown gay if he was how you describe.

Again, who are you to question what that person says?

Jords · 15-12-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

I was using Marco as an example. We all know he's gay because he admitted it, but if he was still in the closet and was claiming he was straight, would you believe him? After all you can be extremely camp and straight ...

Not really, but Joe is nowhere near as camp like Marco, I dont even think Joe is that camp at all. I know a few people that are quite camp but not gay, it is possible (theyve had gfs, and I dont buy this having a gf to cover it up).

Tom · 15-12-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Maybe you should stop being a dick and accept that not everyone is as closed minded as you? Instead of me stepping out of my 'flowery little bubble'. Ive never heard anything so patronising in my entire life.

I know camp people who are straight. As I know gay people who are not the slightest bit camp. It happens.

Yeah, you're still kind of missing my point. Good at selective reading aren't you?

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Again, who are you to question what that person says?

You mean like you question the way people act branding them with a fake personality etc?

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jords

Not really, but Joe is nowhere near as camp like Marco, I dont even think Joe is that camp at all. I know a few people that are quite camp but not gay, it is possible (theyve had gfs, and I dont buy this having a gf to cover it up).

Nah, those people you know are lying and using their girlfriends to cover up the fact that they are gay...

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

You mean like you question the way people act branding them with a fake personality etc?

Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

Tom · 15-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.

and for the millionth time I'm not stereotyping all camp people as gay.

Jords · 15-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Nah, those people you know are lying and using their girlfriends to cover up the fact that they are gay...

No way!

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.

Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

Novo · 15-12-2009, 05:02 PM

Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by .Andy.

Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

And that reason is?

Tom · 15-12-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

InOne · 15-12-2009, 05:04 PM

Well some Gays play up to the camp Stereotype some don't. But it's possible to be 'delicate' and not Gay.

Tom · 15-12-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

And that reason is?

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

Stephanie · 15-12-2009, 05:06 PM

people who said they know people who know joe have said he is openly bi.

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

Jords · 15-12-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

Joe is not overly camp???

Tom · 15-12-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

So being gay changes your personality then I take it...I thought it was just a sexual preference...obviously not...

InOne · 15-12-2009, 05:08 PM

Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

Vicky. · 15-12-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.

Nah nice try at twisting it though.

Stereotyping is different to personal opinion...however you spin it.

Novo · 15-12-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

No from the first 3 seconds of his VT it was Very very Obvious

Jords · 15-12-2009, 05:10 PM

Sod all this if your overly camp your gay business, when was Joe actually overly camp Tom?

biglover · 15-12-2009, 05:10 PM

He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore