[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that's true actually, I never even thought of that, I wonder why that is?

because no one would ever want to admit to something as terrible as that

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I think it's best if we as people never ever mention anybody's skin colour as anything in case the old PC brigade wheel up and frisk you off for a seminar.

It always makes me smile when people who want other people to be respected for who they are rather than what colour they are or where they come from, are referred to as the "PC Brigade".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

because no one would ever want to admit to something as terrible as that

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh those terrible PC brigades. Wanting not to cause unnecesary offence to people.

Never understood why people get so het up about it. If I discover that a word I am accustomed to using is actually offensive to the people that word concerns, why would wish to dig in my heels against that?

An occasional moment's discomfort over not being sure of the currently acceptable word is worth it for a society that tries not to cause hurt to people because of who or what they are.

Because they always go above and beyond their station.


Racism is wrong, good we are sorting it out.

Alan Hanson calls a player coloured on tv with no malice or hint of disgust and the knives are out.

That is what the PC brigade has done. People are now looking to be offended at EVERYTHING.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...he chose the best person for the job because he was good at his job and passionate about it more than anything else, I do believe that but that still doesn't necessarily indicate that he wasn't/isn't racist necessarily though..just that 'sense' of the better player overruled everything else for him..

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

[Brother Leon]

What he said was disgusting and should not be forgotten or forgiven. What he has done for black footballers though also should not be forgotten. Just a shame it was outdone by a severe comment.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..so does that not just make him good at being a football manager which to him was his passion, not that he wasn't racist..?..

If he was truly racist, he would not Of played the players regardless of their quality due to their skin colour though.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

because no one would ever want to admit to something as terrible as that

Wow...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wow...

he's only joking Livia

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet... by far the largest group to migrate to the USA was the English, according to the resource centre at Ellis Island. And yet no one ever hears someone described as an English American.

The term Yankee originated from English settlers in the colonies although now it has lost it's meaning and tends to encompass all people from the states.

[CaudleHalbard]

Negro used to be perfectly ok as well. It is merely the Spanish word for black. The feminine derivative - negress - was also fine.... but would nowadays be considered both racist and sexist!

Worth noting that the Latin for black is niger (with one 'g').

It is interesting how words, formerly inoffensive, can become offensive.......... and vice-versa!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Negro used to be perfectly ok as well. It is merely the Spanish word for black. The feminine derivative - negress - was also fine.... but would nowadays be considered both racist and sexist!

Worth noting that the Latin for black is niger (with one 'g').

It is interesting how words, formerly inoffensive, can become offensive.......... and vice-versa!

I guess it only became a racist word after it was used in a racist manner due to slavery. Words are just letters until they're used in a positive or negative way by people

[CaudleHalbard]

But that doesn't explain why 'black', formerly offensive, is no longer so?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

Great post. It says it all really.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

But that doesn't explain why 'black', formerly offensive, is no longer so?

Was Black formerly offensive?

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

Actions speak louder than words.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

That's a very narrow definition of racism. How about a racist outlook that accepts that black people can be good at sports, but also thinks they are lazy and need extra motivation because of it, or that they are excellent runners, but you wouldn't want one marrying your daughter etc. etc.

Even a racist employer, presented with a white candidate with no qualification for the job and a black candidate with all the right qualifications of the job, might give that job to the black candidate. Now, if a slightly underqualified white candidate were up against that perfectly qualified black candidate, that might be a different story.

I have known people who subscribe absolutely to the tenets of the National Front, daubed 'Go Home' and swastikas on the houses of pakistanis yet have been perfectly friendly with some local pakistani lads.

Racism (all isms) is multilayered.

It is entirely possible for someone who is racist to also allow for some qualities/individual talents in the people against whom they are prejudiced. Often framed in a fairly racist way (all blacks are fast runners, virile/Indian workers who are quiet and hardworking, because in their eyes those people are naturally given to servility etc.).

It's also possible for people to hold two sets of entirely contradictory views about the same set of people. Or have vastly different views of pakistanis and Indians, black people and the Chinese etc etc.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Was Black formerly offensive?

Absolutely! Some people of an older generation still feel it is rude.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Because they always go above and beyond their station.


Racism is wrong, good we are sorting it out.

Alan Hanson calls a player coloured on tv with no malice or hint of disgust and the knives are out.

That is what the PC brigade has done. People are now looking to be offended at EVERYTHING.

Yep,Soon we'll be going round saying "IC3 male" instead of "black man",Like the police.PC can be very overboard,Just like the other year when the PC brigade tried to ban Merry Christmas signs incase they offended the muslims.Ridiculous.

[CaudleHalbard]

Just don't ask Big Ron what he thinks of the Chinese!

[lime]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That's a very narrow definition of racism. How about a racist outlook that accepts that black people can be good at sports, but also thinks they are lazy and need extra motivation because of it, or that they are excellent runners, but you wouldn't want one marrying your daughter etc. etc.

Even a racist employer, presented with a white candidate with no qualification for the job and a black candidate with all the right qualifications of the job, might give that job to the black candidate. Now, if a slightly underqualified white candidate were up against that perfectly qualified black candidate, that might be a different story.

I have known people who subscribe absolutely to the tenets of the National Front, daubed 'Go Home' and swastikas on the houses of pakistanis yet have been perfectly friendly with some local pakistani lads.

Racism (all isms) is multilayered.

It is entirely possible for someone who is racist to also allow for some qualities/individual talents in the people against whom they are prejudiced. Often framed in a fairly racist way (all blacks are fast runners, virile/Indian workers who are quiet and hardworking, because in their eyes those people are naturally given to servility etc.).

It's also possible for people to hold two sets of entirely contradictory views about the same set of people. Or have vastly different views of pakistanis and Indians, black people and the Chinese etc etc.

Well said Dana

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yep,Soon we'll be going round saying "IC3 male" instead of "black man",Like the police.PC can be very overboard, Just like the other year when the PC brigade tried to ban Merry Christmas signs incase they offended the muslims.Ridiculous.

Did you get that from the Daily Mail?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yep,Soon we'll be going round saying "IC3 male" instead of "black man",Like the police.PC can be very overboard,Just like the other year when the PC brigade tried to ban Merry Christmas signs incase they offended the muslims.Ridiculous.

Because they offended the muslims? Or because some individual official decided it might offend them?

if indeed it even happened.

Doorstepping in the run up elections I lost count of the times people told me that 'they can't even put Christmas decorations up in Bradford now!'...utter crap: I shop there every year and you can't ****ing move for Christmas nativity scenes and giant santas.

Or the evergreen claim that 'They can't even put the St George's flag up in the TownHall on St Georges Day!' - again utter bollocks. We had a meeting that very year ion St George's day and there was a flag the size of a boat sail draped on Hall wall.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Absolutely! Some people of an older generation still feel it is rude.

ahh I didn't know that

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Because they offended the muslims? Or because some individual official decided it might offend them?

if indeed it even happened.

Doorstepping in the run up elections I lost count of the times people told me that 'they can't even put Christmas decorations up in Bradford now!'...utter crap: I shop there every year and you can't ****ing move for Christmas nativity scenes and giant santas.

Or the evergreen claim that 'They can't even put the St George's flag up in the TownHall on St Georges Day!' - again utter bollocks. We had a meeting that very year ion St George's day and there was a flag the size of a boat sail draped on Hall wall.

lol I think that banning Christmas s**t is more of an Urban legend, it pops up every now and then

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Did you get that from the Daily Mail?

It happened.A local council in some town(can't remember where),Wanted shops to take down Merry Christmas banners incase Muslims were offended.This was political correctness gone well overboard.