[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up.

I should be a mod tbh. Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up.

I should be a mod tbh. Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.

I literally posted that five years before you.

[Jay.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly

Originally Posted by Jessica.

A great method would be:

"Did you really mean it when you told Marsh he has squinty eyes?"
"No, I was joking, he knows that"
"Well I got a report, it seems to have offended someone"
"Oh sorry, I'll delete it, I won't tell him he has squinty eyes any more"

Verus

I am here for both of these, I think they could both work pretty well tbh.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift

Can you just contribute to the matter at band rather than having a go at everything and anything members post, it's SO irritating trying to have a proper discussion with you quoting every other post just making snipey comments

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

Well the first person would get points for breaking the filter and the second for breaking the filter and insulting someone, is that not how it'd work?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Well the first person would get points for breaking the filter and the second for breaking the filter and insulting someone, is that not how it'd work?

My point was more, some rulebreaks while technically the same thing, are worse than others :S Some insults are worse, especially personal ones. etc

[Vicky.]

And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points

Well this is a point system from another site I use and I think it works pretty well

Spoiler:

Warning Details

Abrasive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Your comment was rude and/or hurtful to other members or staff.

Disruptive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
- Spamming gifs/images/smileys/random keys
- Posting a pointless thread or too many times in a row
- Intentionally using a fake or misleading thread title
- Using all caps in a thread title

Profanity — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You've circumvented the profanity censor by swapping letters for symbols, spaces, etc.

Flamebait — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have started a thread or posted a reply that just seems to be fishing for an argument.

Insensitive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Even if you might not realize it, what you said was mean to a particular group of people.

Nicknames — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have mangled the name of a celebrity, public figure, brand or ATRL member into a stan name or a hater name.
Allowed: Honorary titles and shortened names such as "Queen Britney", "Legend X", "Princess Ri", etc
Not allowed: Over the top mangling or disrespectful names such as "Godga", "Successica Legendson", "Rihtard", etc

Off Topic — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Either you posted something irrelevant to the thread, or posted a thread in the wrong forum.

Fighting — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Arguing with someone in a thread instead of taking it to Stand Your Ground or your blog.

Offensive — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've said something racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory.

Trolling — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Specifically and deliberately posting something with the intent to make people mad.

File Share Request — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You have requested a link to an illegal download or an illegal download website.

Infringement — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted an entire article without proper consent from the author or you did not properly link to and credit the source.

Graphic — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted content that's either extremely violent or otherwise discomforting. Violent/discomforting content can be posted if it's collapsed and warning tagged.

Vulgar — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Your post or signature contains sexually explicit or suggestive content.

Explicit — 3 points, expires in 90 days
You've posted an explicit image without linking it inside [warning] and [url] tags or your avatar and/or signature contains excessively vulgar content.

File Sharing — 4 points, expires in 120 days
You have posted a link to an illegal download, illegal download website, or you have posted copyrighted material. Quoting posts that contain links to illegal downloads is also strictly prohibited.

Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.

Spam — Permanent ban

(Some of them might be irrelevant bc it's a music forum but still, it works a lot better than the ones on here

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.

I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

I love in-mod fighting.

[Smithy]

But seriously back on topic can a mod respond to my posts please

[Vicky.]

Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.

will that help with the amount of mail
you have to read?

[Smithy]

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

Omg this, I remember one time I posted a pic of a black lady and the reason for the infraction was "Don't push it"

EDIT: Oop it expires tomorrow, then I'll be infraction-free. Bad guy gone good era?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Omg this, I remember one time I posted a pic of a black lady and the reason for the infraction was "Don't push it"

You replied with a photo of a black woman to a post of josys that said

Hayden stop with the gifs

Surely it was self explanatory?

(proof above that every infraction has its own thread actually, as I couldn't have remembered that )

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You replied with a photo of a black woman to a post of josys that said





Surely it was self explanatory?

(proof above that every infraction has its own thread actually, as I couldn't have remembered that )

A) This is not a gif
B) It wasn't nasty, rude or spamming just by posting that picture. If anything it was in a jokey way (another good example of blurred lines between jokes and people taking offense)
C) "Don't push it" really isn't professional (which is the point Smithy was raising)

Idrc about infractions or how they're dealt with anymore, since my last one expires tomorrow I just came in here to agree with a post I agreed with.

I don't want to cause trouble so I'll leave the thread.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

A) This is not a gif
B) It wasn't nasty, rude or spamming just by posting that picture. If anything it was in a jokey way (another good example of blurred lines between jokes and people taking offense)
C) "Don't push it" really isn't professional (which is the point Smithy was raising)

Idrc about infractions or how they're dealt with anymore, since my last one expires tomorrow I just came in here to agree with a post I agreed with.

I don't want to cause trouble so I'll leave the thread.

Sorry, I only used yours as an example as thats the one I saw and it was easy to find as it was your last one

[Jessica.]

Thanks to all of the mods who have contributed to this thread, I expected it to just flop but I was pleasantly surprised.

Shame on the derailers.

[Iceman]

But yeah maybe a change could work. I personally try and stick to what other mods have posted points wise.

[arista]

"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.

But your views are on my opinions not the thread at hand which is derailing and it'll only end in an argument

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

What is the point in this account? It only seems to be used for mods to hide their identity.

Weren't we told that we could appeal infractions etc.. by replying to this account?

Does anybody read the messages that are sent to it? I have never gotten a reply.

I know most of the time I deserve my infractions but I have definitely been wrongly infracted/banned a few times and it's very annoying to be infracted for something that is completely taken out of context. I just get ignored when I explain myself and most of the time I don't even try.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You can't just automatically know the context every time, if you don't know whether something is a joke or not then it usual IS a joke and you are not going to be burned at the steak by the other mods if you admit you are wrong once in a while.

Anyway, all I am saying is hear people out.

You answered your own question about the TiBB Staff account, members have no need to know who infracted them, they do use it against mods, infact there is times when someone receives an infraction and starts accusing a mod of having a vendetta against them when a lot of the times it isn't even the mod they accuse that's infracted them

As to the 'joke' comments, it doesn't matter how much you claim something you have posted was a joke or for a laugh and so on, if the person the comment is directed at finds it offensive then it's not a joke at all.

James, myself and Vicky receive the messages that are sent to TiBB Staff and as has already been posted if it's a genuine query we do post it in the mod section and discuss it or sometimes I pm the person in reply to explain the infraction etc, some can confirm this I'm sure..

Lastly, we do we admit when we are wrong, we reverse infractions and sometimes even bans more than you would think. Every single infraction and even warning that's given out generates it's own discussion thread in a reports section, if we see an infraction that we find to be a bit harsh then we say it and discuss what we think would have been more fitting, or sometimes we reverse the infractions again I'm sure some members that has had infractions reversed can confirm this.You also have to remember that we don't just go into a thread, or see a report and immediately go and hand out an infraction for what was reported, we have to read back and see how things started, check if the reported comment was in reply to a baiting comment and so on.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

You answered your own question about the TiBB Staff account, members have no need to know who infracted them, they do use it against mods, infact there is times when someone receives an infraction and starts accusing a mod of having a vendetta against them when a lot of the times it isn't even the mod they accuse that's infracted them

As to the 'joke' comments, it doesn't matter how much you claim something you have posted was a joke or for a laugh and so on, if the person the comment is directed at finds it offensive then it's not a joke at all.

James, myself and Vicky receive the messages that are sent to TiBB Staff and as has already been posted if it's a genuine query we do post it in the mod section and discuss it or sometimes I pm the person in reply to explain the infraction etc, some can confirm this I'm sure..

Lastly, we do we admit when we are wrong, we reverse infractions and sometimes even bans more than you would think. Every single infraction and even warning that's given out generates it's own discussion thread in a reports section, if we see an infraction that we find to be a bit harsh then we say it and discuss what we think would have been more fitting, or sometimes we reverse the infractions again I'm sure some members that has had infractions reversed can confirm this.You also have to remember that we don't just go into a thread, or see a report and immediately go and hand out an infraction for what was reported, we have to read back and see how things started, check if the reported comment was in reply to a baiting comment and so on.

Yes,I can confirm this, had a least one overturned,maybe more.

[Vicky.]

Also most of them that say that are self explanatory. Just I used yours as an example

Like, why put 'baiting' or something when you are obviously going to know what you did wrong anyway?