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Northern Monkey · 18-09-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

The graphics are pretty corny and it is overdramatic but it's not that misleading really. The Bin Laden quote is the main one which has been misrepresented. Yes I've heard why he called Hamas and Hezbollah friends but I don't think his explanation is very satisfactory really. He says 'you don't achieve peace unless you talk to all sides' but Corbyn never speaks to 'the other side'. If you do have to be civil to all sides in these conflicts then why has he never associated with loyalists in Northern Ireland or pro-Israeli campaigners and politicians? He doesn't, yet time and time again he has broken bread with extreme Islamists, anti-semites and hardline republicans. In fact he has called for Israel's leader, Netanyahu, to be tried for war crimes and he has opposed the Israeli football team playing a match in Cardiff. Hamas and Hezbollah are worthy of associating with and calling 'friends' yet professional sportsmen shouldn't even be allowed to partake in a non-political event? The army abolition comments is not that far wide of the mark either seeing as he has heralded the example of Costa Rica who gave up their army and considers it something to emulate.

Ultimately people can rage about the Conservatives and the media's smearing all their like but if you're in the position that Corbyn now is then you can't give them the ammo. He will never have been subject to this much scrutiny before and he seems completely unprepared for it. He needs to get himself a spin doctor, and a good one.

A very good post!

Kizzy · 18-09-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I was exchanging views with Red and being civil about it. Why do YOU ALWAYS have to be so caustic and aggressive. Whoa -- scrub that I don't want another warning or infraction.

I simply ask you not preempt how other members on the left think, I consider myself one therefore I ask you politely not to label, presume or make judgments on my views.

kirklancaster · 18-09-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I simply ask you not preempt how other members on the left think, I consider myself one therefore I ask you politely not to label, presume or make judgments on my views.

In other words - "Do as I say, Not as I do"?

Northern Monkey · 18-09-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not anticipate that this response will please you, convince you or even make you think a little, but out of courtesy, here it is:

OK, I have spent hours last night into the wee small hours, researching and reading and watching just about all the articles and videos on this subject that I could find - from both pro-Corbyn and anti-Corbyn sources - and I'm afraid, that I can find nothing which changes my opinion of Corbyn or which allays my fears should he ever become Prime Minister.

I was not referring specifically or exclusively to the so-called; 'Tory Tape, when I made my adverse posts about Corbyn, but whilst I agree that it is piss-poor regarding production quality, and whilst I concede that the 'Osama Bin Laden' clip WAS taken out of context - like MTVN - I do not feel that such minor 'cheating' actually alters the truth about Corbyn's highly questionable pro-terrorist, anti-Semitic, leanings.

Regardless of the 'Tory Tape' and any reason behind its production, Corbyn HAS said the things he's said and DONE the things he's done, and as I stated in my earlier post, no-one FAKED the newsreel footage and videos of him, so talk of smearing is pure baloney.

"..Invited them to a forum to discuss peace. If you're inviting people up for a civilised, mature debate (something this forum seems to be lacking of late, how ironic) you describe and introduce the participants in a respectful manner. He was hardly going to say 'and I've invited the ****ing c**** from Hamas' was he?"

No, he wasn't, but there are better words to use which would not have offended people - especially all the victims of the many Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist atrocities and their families.

He COULD and SHOULD have said 'Representatives', but I believe that he deliberately used the words 'our friends' because THAT is how he GENUINELY regards these terrorist scum and he was deliberately, arrogantly, and contemptuously using that phrase to 'cock-a-snook' at anyone who is offended or who disagrees with him.

Indeed, he uses the word 'FRIENDS' to describe Hamas and Hezbollah THREE times in such a short clip and the relevance of this is highlighted by the fact that he refrains from using such a descriptor when mentioning the Israelis, being content to use just that phrase; "The Israelis"

Further; he actually and skilfully uses the 'cold' term 'The Israelis' in a clever subliminally prejudicial manner by stating that: "..but The ISRAELIS wouldn't allow them to travel" - thereby conjuring up images of the Israelis as repressors stopping 'OUR/HIS FRIENDS' from travelling to such an innocent and worthy function.

Further corroboration of Corbyn's cleverness can be evidenced from his opening lines; "...my PLEASURE and my HONOUR" to host an event in Parliament..."

Now; Did he mean that HOSTING the event was the reason for his PLEASURE and HONOUR? Or because his FRIENDS Hamas and Hezbollah were attending?

I think the last part of the VT will settle any doubts for any impartial, honest, reasonably intelligent viewer, because only an out and out unbalanced terrorist sympathiser would describe these murdering bastards as: "..dedicated to bringing long-term PEACE and SOCIAL justice and POLITICAL justice...." .

Finally; To criticise the British Government fot "labelling" Hamas and Hezbollah as "terrorist organiations" and actually pleading with them to "..think again", shows what the UK is in for if this dangerous idiot ever becomes PM.

God forbid it.

I agree with this.When the feck did any serious politician ever describe terrorists as 'friends'?
I never heard Thatcher or Major say 'our friends from the IRA'.
Or Blair ever say 'our friends from Al Qaeda'.
Corbyn at best chose his words drastically wrong or at worst actually has some sympathy with these terrorists.

Kizzy · 18-09-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

The graphics are pretty corny and it is overdramatic but it's not that misleading really. The Bin Laden quote is the main one which has been misrepresented. Yes I've heard why he called Hamas and Hezbollah friends but I don't think his explanation is very satisfactory really. He says 'you don't achieve peace unless you talk to all sides' but Corbyn never speaks to 'the other side'. If you do have to be civil to all sides in these conflicts then why has he never associated with loyalists in Northern Ireland or pro-Israeli campaigners and politicians? He doesn't, yet time and time again he has broken bread with extreme Islamists, anti-semites and hardline republicans. In fact he has called for Israel's leader, Netanyahu, to be tried for war crimes and he has opposed the Israeli football team playing a match in Cardiff. Hamas and Hezbollah are worthy of associating with and calling 'friends' yet professional sportsmen shouldn't even be allowed to partake in a non-political event? The army abolition comments is not that far wide of the mark either seeing as he has heralded the example of Costa Rica who gave up their army and considers it something to emulate.

Ultimately people can rage about the Conservatives and the media's smearing all their like but if you're in the position that Corbyn now is then you can't give them the ammo. He will never have been subject to this much scrutiny before and he seems completely unprepared for it. He needs to get himself a spin doctor, and a good one.

I've read many things today that suggest Mr Corbyn was instrumental in the peace process and was chosen to have dialogue with Gerry Adams as far back as 1984, due to his obvious skills in diplomacy this makes his job as party leader a plus I would have thought... why then is it being used as a stick to beat him with?

kirklancaster · 18-09-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've read many things today that suggest Mr Corbyn was instrumental in the peace process and was chosen to have dialogue with Gerry Adams as far back as 1984, due to his obvious skills in diplomacy this makes his job as party leader a plus I would have thought... why then is it being used as a stick to beat him with?

Because as MTVN points out, it is only with the IRA and with Hamas and Hezbollah that Mr Corbyn seems to side and only their terrorist causes he seems to defend and support and align himself with.

Where is the equity?

Johnnyuk123 · 10-10-2015, 08:27 PM

The conservative party are so happy that Corbyn is the new labour leader. They now have another 10 years in power.

JoshBB · 10-10-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The conservative party are so happy that Corbyn is the new labour leader. They now have another 10 years in power.

Except that people seem to like Corbyn's policies more than they do the conservatives, so dont rule him out yet.

Johnnyuk123 · 10-10-2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB

Except that people seem to like Corbyn's policies more than they do the conservatives, so dont rule him out yet.

Who is in charge of the Country?

DemolitionRed · 10-10-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The conservative party are so happy that Corbyn is the new labour leader. They now have another 10 years in power.

Some, not all but this could be misplaced glee and remember, there is nothing more dull than a complacent government. I would say that the majority of Tories are very worried by Corbyn; why else would they have set their Tory-media attack dogs on him?

JoshBB · 10-10-2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Who is in charge of the Country?

The conservatives. With only 24% of the country voting for them.

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Who is in charge of the Country?

Mr Murdock.

Johnnyuk123 · 10-10-2015, 09:26 PM

Cams the man!

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 10:18 PM

Cams in the ham?...... not again!

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because as MTVN points out, it is only with the IRA and with Hamas and Hezbollah that Mr Corbyn seems to side and only their terrorist causes he seems to defend and support and align himself with.

Where is the equity?

Support and align himself? the role of a diplomat is to meet people and there be some dialogue in the hope of resolving conflict peacefully.

What is the alternative to this, Warmongering..
Stomping about the globe showing countries your huge warhead?

James · 10-10-2015, 10:40 PM

Interesting article in The Guardian I think Corbyn supporters should read - http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ntless-protest

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 10:59 PM

a quest to steal political concepts like fairness, social justice and even equality from the left and “fill them with Conservative meaning”.

So he knows the conservatives want to redefine the meaning of social justice?

Ask Nye what next... we keep hating the tories for the past, the present and the future.