[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Prince Andrew wanted to marry Koo Stark and he was basically told to end it, and that was maybe 35 years ago. That is probably the closet match to Harry now, both in terms of in line to the throne and the fact she was an american actress. So this is a big shake up for the establishment. Ann is probably more comfortable with those times

That's also the time Prince Charles married Diana purely to bear his children.

The family has changed a LOT since then.

[Marsh.]

I never thought of Ann as a Royalist.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think Ann is entitled to an opinion and I very much doubt that race is in any way her motivation for feeling Meghan may prove to be less than perfect. The clip didn't allow for an explanation but I'm sure she would have given a sensible one if it had.

Personally I am not convinced by Meghan either, she seems a bit fake to me and I'm not convinced it will last. My opinion is not race motivated either, I am white, my own future daughter in law is not white and I adore her. So make of that what you wish!

Me too ,you would never see Kate grabbing onto Wills with 2 hands like she does to Harry ,it just seems all fake and something just not right about it to me ,and i love Dianas boys but feel Harry is going to get hurt

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Me too ,you would never see Kate grabbing onto Wills with 2 hands like she does to Harry ,it just seems all fake and something just not right about it to me ,and i love Dianas boys but feel Harry is going to get hurt

How on earth does that make a person fake? Why would she behave like Kate, they're from two different walks of life

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How on earth does that make a person fake? Why would she behave like Kate, they're from two different walks of life

Kate is a lady through and through Meghan is not lady material, I can't put my finger on it,but theres just something about her

[bots]

Ann is likely to be privy to information that we are not aware of, she may be old fashioned but she wouldn't have said what she did without some form of reason

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate is a lady through and through Meghan is not lady material, I can't put my finger on it,but theres just something about her

I really pity that poor girl, she has no idea what kind of baseless criticisms she's about to face

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate is a lady through and through Meghan is not lady material, I can't put my finger on it,but theres just something about her

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Anne's remarks are not racist but a reference to those courtiers in the Royal Household who can make a new member of the family feel like it is racism.

Can anyone recently remember the Marquis of Baths daughter in law who is of mixed race and her husbands mother mentioned spoiling the bloodline if they had children.

I think racism in the aristocracy is still happening and if it was difficult for Diana to cope with these people whilst being a member of the aristocracy, think how it might be for Meghan.

This is what I think Anne meant.

While the Royals accept Meghan with open arms this does not mean the courtiers, sycophants and toadies will and can cause her no end of hurts.

I do not care for this "What Meghan can bring to the Royals" claptrap. They do not need her, a divorced, older actress of mixed parentage, at all. She has a huge debt to Diana for paving the way as the Royals cannot have another scandal as they only hung on after Charles and Camilla nearly lost all respect for the Royal family and it is only the Queen, William and Kate holding it together.

I noticed that Meghan was using her acting and posing skills when interviewed for the engagement, far too cocky and confident. However, it was different at Christmas when she was quite nervous and she has to know she is a junior member, not the star.

I think this is the trouble Anne meant also.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with Niamh. It's a big change for the royals and that's going to irritate some of the Old Guard. First William marries a commoner, a very rich one but a commoner none the less, and then Harry brings home a mixed race actress! Those boys have done a great job of dragging the monarchy into the 21st Century. And I feel kind of protective of William and Harry. My Mum says she does too. She said she remembers those boys walking behind their mothers coffin and when she saw the handwritten note on the coffin that said "Mummy", she and so many women became silent and distant foster mothers. She's a sentimental old soul, my Mum.

I hear you mum there. I remember that too and feel more empathy towards William and Harry than other members of their family, not being a royalist and all.

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder if Meghan has been given any priority with visas, indefinite leave to remain, naturalisation...?

Don't get me started, I'll rant about the home office until the end of time!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I really pity that poor girl, she has no idea what kind of baseless criticisms she's about to face

You can dislike people for no particular reason its just a feeling you have

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with Niamh. It's a big change for the royals and that's going to irritate some of the Old Guard. First William marries a commoner, a very rich one but a commoner none the less, and then Harry brings home a mixed race actress! Those boys have done a great job of dragging the monarchy into the 21st Century. And I feel kind of protective of William and Harry. My Mum says she does too. She said she remembers those boys walking behind their mothers coffin and when she saw the handwritten note on the coffin that said "Mummy", she and so many women became silent and distant foster mothers. She's a sentimental old soul, my Mum.

Thats how I feel, I remember them both being born and Dianas funeral broke my heart watching them both, and its like a Mums instinct that Meghan is just not right for Harry

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I think Anne's remarks are not racist but a reference to those courtiers in the Royal Household who can make a new member of the family feel like it is racism.

Can anyone recently remember the Marquis of Baths daughter in law who is of mixed race and her husbands mother mentioned spoiling the bloodline if they had children.

I think racism in the aristocracy is still happening and if it was difficult for Diana to cope with these people whilst being a member of the aristocracy, think how it might be for Meghan.

This is what I think Anne meant.

While the Royals accept Meghan with open arms this does not mean the courtiers, sycophants and toadies will and can cause her no end of hurts.

I do not care for this "What Meghan can bring to the Royals" claptrap. They do not need her, a divorced, older actress of mixed parentage, at all. She has a huge debt to Diana for paving the way as the Royals cannot have another scandal as they only hung on after Charles and Camilla nearly lost all respect for the Royal family and it is only the Queen, William and Kate holding it together.

I noticed that Meghan was using her acting and posing skills when interviewed for the engagement, far too cocky and confident. However, it was different at Christmas when she was quite nervous and she has to know she is a junior member, not the star.

I think this is the trouble Anne meant also.

I wonder if Meghan will be able to cope with being second to Kate. Over time it might rankle. Particularly if she is entering this life as a form of performance.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You can dislike people for no particular reason its just a feeling you have

But you seem to have quite a few reasons.

Although I don't know what's meant by not a lady.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why didn't she specify what she meant though . She can't just make a sweeping statement as "Megan will be trouble" and not give a reason why . So I believe it's a Xenophobic thing as Megan is American , but the Royal family isn't 100% British but whatever .

She did give a reason...she said she had added all the facts up and thats how she feels about it...why do you have such a problem with anns views?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I wonder if Meghan will be able to cope with being second to Kate. Over time it might rankle. Particularly if she is entering this life as a form of performance.

I do think Harry had a crush on Kate and envied his brothers life with her.

I do wonder if Harry is being genuine in his feelings for Meghan as he could not have gone more against traditional Royal bride requirements, if he tried.

Divorced, Older, Actress, Mixed Race.

I do hope he is in love with Meghan and not wanting just to push the boundaries.

Then does Meghan want children, it will be an interesting mix of genes.

I honestly think all these maybes is what Anne was referring to.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I do think Harry had a crush on Kate and envied his brothers life with her.

I do wonder if Harry is being genuine in his feelings for Meghan as he could not have gone more against traditional Royal bride requirements, if he tried.

Divorced, Older, Actress, Mixed Race.

I do hope he is in love with Meghan and not wanting just to push the boundaries.

Then does Meghan want children, it will be an interesting mix of genes.

I honestly think all these maybes is what Anne was referring to.

How on Earth could you decide Harry has a crush on Kate, I'm genuinely curious how you came to that conclusion?

[Maru]

Harry always seemed the sort who wouldn't want to marry deeper into the royal family. And to be fair, wouldn't she really more of a modern princess anyway? She's an American actress from LA... so she is going to be all sorts of tech savvy and know all about keeping a brand, especially if her face is tied to any organizations. Isn't that really what a defunct royal family is in 2018, anyway? A brand?

[poppsywoppsy]

They were always together, laughing and enjoying each other's company when William was doing his duties elsewhere.

They obviously got on very well and Kate's family life was something William craved and Harry too.

I am not saying there was anything more but Harry always mooned after Kate, we saw it frequently and spoke about it.

Meghan doesn't look a million miles unlike Kate either. That's how on earth I could say it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I do wonder if Harry is being genuine in his feelings for Meghan as he could not have gone more against traditional Royal bride requirements, if he tried.

Really? He could have done a lot more if rebellion was on his mind.

Rich, charitable, famous. She's not all that different.

And everyone making a fuss over this apparent age gap. It's less than three years ffs.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

Harry always seemed the sort who wouldn't want to marry deeper into the royal family. And to be fair, wouldn't she really more of a modern princess anyway? She's an American actress from LA... so she is going to be all sorts of tech savvy and know all about keeping a brand, especially if her face is tied to any organizations. Isn't that really what a defunct royal family is in 2018, anyway? A brand?

Exactly. They're function is merely a reminder of a once upon a time tradition that serve very little purpose in the modern world.

They're basically English Kardashians.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

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[GreenIce]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Then does Meghan want children, it will be an interesting mix of genes.

Kate and William already have an interesting mix of genes. As I commented earlier, Meghan could be a sister of Pippa Middleton. George and Charlotte have brown eyes, the blue eyes have gone from the infant heirs to the throne. It's interesting how the tabloids keep pushing how much Charlotte looks like the Queen, but she doesn't, she looks like Carole Middleton.

[GreenIce]

Meghan and Pippa.

http://www.elleuk.com/life-and-cultu...alike/?slide=1

[Niamh.]

Meghan is better looking though