[Crimson Dynamo]

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[Cherie]

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

Well said Cherie....the bloke had a knife and was resisting arrest...he was a danger to life....but lets all focus on how the police treated him. Lets all focus on the police officer kneeling on his head trying to restrain a man intent on some sort of violence and risking his life and others...but please dont hurt me when you arrest me..
I cant believe the police officer knelt on his head in light of what has recently happened...but you can see restraining his head does stop any resistance. However its obviously not the way they are taught. The officers look very young and the one kneeling on his head looked very uncomfortable after the incident and realised what he had done. I felt for him.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

the bloke had a knife and was resisting arrest...he was a danger to life

Which is what should be the actual headline, but don't expect to see it anywhere.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

I think the lucky part for us is a mistake in our jobs would usually be fairly trivial and not result in the harm, or even death, of someone due to our actions. If someone died or was harmed under the care of a shoddily trained doctor we wouldn't chalk it up to experience. Should be the same for shoddily trained police officers imo.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think the lucky part for us is a mistake in our jobs would usually be fairly trivial and not result in the harm, or even death, of someone due to our actions. If someone died or was harmed under the care of a shoddily trained doctor we wouldn't chalk it up to experience. Should be the same for shoddily trained police officers imo.

I think the doctor comparison is a decent one because in the medical profession you WOULDN'T have an inexperienced staff member with an unproven record making life and death decisions without oversight from a more experienced professional. A junior doctor a few years out of med school isn't scheduling a risky surgery for a patient without oversight from an experienced consultant.

But that seems to be much more rare in policing... Especially in "Street policing" it seems that complete n00bs can be teamed up with relatively inexperienced officers (maybe a few years) or even officers with plenty of experience but no proven ability level other than miles on the clock (more or less meaningless in isolation) so they're developing bad habits that are never called out, or worse picking up ingrained bad practice and thinking its normal. Systemic failures in training and mentorship.

[Liam-]

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

Yes
and good they arrested him
he had a knife.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
and good they arrested him
he had a knife.

Sure, it’s just a shame they couldn’t do it without excessive restrictive force

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Sure, it’s just a shame they couldn’t do it without excessive restrictive force

Of course an error

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though

Well said

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well said

Thought you were against family members being brought into discussions?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

They haven’t just grabbed some innocent guy and threw him on the the ground.

Actions create reactions.

Stop defending criminals.

[Ammi]

...in the interest of fairness, Sheriff...you would have to apply your own view/thoughts to yourself also... if you’ve had no experience of why it’s so, so important that these incidents and the use of force is always held up for accountability....And why the public should always expect accountability...then it’s just armchair watching...


...many arrests are made, every day/every hour of the day and no inquiry is applicable because correct training was followed...but this particular arrest and the use of specific methods of force is of huge concern to the IOPC, as it is to public trust also...no one, no one, no one is or has defended any criminal actions...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They haven’t just grabbed some innocent guy and threw him on the the ground.

Actions create reactions.

Stop defending criminals.

Spend less time trying to be an 'ard man online and more time improving your reading capabilities because you're responding to something I haven't said.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How is that the main point when the point is that the police officer completely disregarded his training (or wasn't trained properly to begin with)?

The man was being arrested for his crime including carrying this weapon, that's not really up for debate.

The debate is whether the police officer used appropriate measures to bring the man under control. He didn't, therefore he's been suspended.

The police are not infallible.

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Only the police that don’t follow the correct procedures.

Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.

Originally Posted by Cherie

But but he didn’t use it...so it’s fine ..let him carry on

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

You literally did the exact same thing

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.





You literally did the exact same thing

exactly that, the man was a threat and needed to be taken down with any force necessary

also i rewatched the video and agreed, there was not much pressure on his neck, unlike with George Floyd

in fact i think they handled this correctly and they made sure he was no longer a threat to anyone and arrested him, but really predictable in current times for police to get the blame, to be seen as the bad guy while in this situation they weren't

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.





You literally did the exact same thing

Great post...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by caprimint

You literally did the exact same thing

Except I didn't, I already said that I mentioned that officers are not allowed to hit someone in the head or neck with a baton for context as to why leaning on someone's neck or head is considered off-limits. This is what's called context for my argument and if you think that's the same as 'well, he could have murdered multiple people so an officer breaking protocol is perfectly okay because of that situation that didn't happen' then you need to improve your reading skills.

Ignoring that I've already proven your point to be a **** one doesn't make it any less ****.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

It's really not. Nobody has questioned the fact the man was a criminal and needed arresting. Distracting from the debate to create a new one is not an argument.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer