[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

[LaLaLand]

I've just finished watching ep 1 of Leaving Neverland and it's just left me with a horrible feeling, feeling sick actually.

The graphic details of what went down just, ergh. Horrific. I don't know if I can actually face ep 2 if it's in the same vein.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sorry Chuff that's wrong their careers are failing, one is an actor who cant get work, the nervous breakdown that he said occurred was because of this NOT MJ, but I know that wont be believed which is your prerogative,but it's all there to be seen and heard in other videos.

Wade's ex Brandy aka MJ's niece has said he's burned soo many bridges he's just desperate basically to stay relevant with her family's name next to his name .

And yes Jimmy is an actor that's failed and he's desperate for money , so surely it's easy for him to repeat scripted lies in front on a camera but i guess that get's ignored as we must feel sympathy for these 2 known liars! .

[Denver]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wade's ex Brandy aka MJ's niece has said he's burned soo many bridges he's just desperate basically to stay relevant with her family's name next to his name .

And yes Jimmy is an actor that's failed and he's desperate for money , so surely it's easy for him to repeat scripted lies in front on a camera but i guess that get's ignored as we must feel sympathy for these 2 known liars! .

Well his niece wont exactly defend him against MJ will she

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely brilliant post Goldheart.

It's incredible that a full legal process resulting in acquittal, is just bypassed and seen as irrelevant.
Because years later, when they got nothing as yet, from the Jackson estate, 2 clear liars then before, have changed their minds.

Excellent post and I agree with Marsh too.

Plus since we are in the realms of hypothetical scenarios,taking MJ out while only to take account of the 2 currently being in the media.

How about in a hypothetical scenario, if this was a loved one of those supporting these 2, now being accused like this, by 2 people.
When their loved one had been investigated, charged, found not guilty of ALL charges, and who had now died.

Would they be wanting people to condemn their own loved one on the strength of 2 mind changers, seeking money from an estate.
Taking part in a rehearsed, no questions asked of them, documentary and no challenge to their claims.

I can answer easily for myself,NO, I would not.
I've always hated these kangaroo media court style of trial and judgement.
Which is again all this is, despite years of thorough investigation, charges and trial, then full unreserved acquittal..
That's the one full, true known fact on Michael Jackson and this serious issue.

Thanks Joey & Kaz

It's truly baffling that a full in depth court case where MJ was cleared of all charges get's thrown away just because 2 guys now claim they were repeatedly & graphically abuse . And if i challenge it and do research and look at the facts and the dodgy backgrounds of wade & jimmy then it's shut down , especially on youtube the comments are crazy .

I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Reed had a dodgy past, wonder what the police would find if they raided his home .

There's a bigger issue and problem here , where certain people's truth is seen as "the truth" . Body expert analysis points out all the guilty cues of Wade in his 2013 interview.

We now live in a dangerous culture and trend where any documentary maker can make a movie and claim it's "real" & "accurate" when actually it's BS & inaccurate and just solely relies on manipulation tactics and emotions . Dan Reed went for the lazy option , he did zero research of Wade & Jimmy and he just cares about the media attention.

BBC turned against Cliff Richard and Banned Mj music yet they covered for Saville for years and not long ago they even "mistakenly" showed a children's programme episode of Jimmy Saville . So many contradictions and i feel like alot of these networks are corrupt like BBC & HBO.

[chuff me dizzy]

Out of respect to Kazanne I will watch one of the videos she posted when I get a spare hour today

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

Now TS, practice what you preach

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

I've just finished watching ep 1 of Leaving Neverland and it's just left me with a horrible feeling, feeling sick actually.

The graphic details of what went down just, ergh. Horrific. I don't know if I can actually face ep 2 if it's in the same vein.

The second episode doesn't really go into details like the first one

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Now TS, practice what you preach

Excuse me that is 2S, or TS2: Judgement Day.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Excuse me that is 2S, or TS2: Judgement Day.

Well he was certainly TS2: Judgement Day in that post

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Out of respect to Kazanne I will watch one of the videos she posted when I get a spare hour today

You don't have to Chuff,I posted them as I was asked to then at least we have a level playing field, which seems only fair,but fairness doesn't seem warranted here, but if you watch them at least you might see why some of us are not believing those two,It's difficult when you go into it not liking him,but people should at least try,I watched that documentry even though I knew what the outcome would be with some people.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You don't have to Chuff,I posted them as I was asked to then at least we have a level playing field, which seems only fair,but fairness doesn't seem warranted here, but if you watch them at least you might see why some of us are not believing those two,It's difficult when you go into it not liking him,but people should at least try,I watched that documentry even though I knew what the outcome would be with some people.

Can you repost the link,Ive been over half an hour searching this thread looking for them lol

[Kazanne]

These are really interesting too,

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Can you repost the link,Ive been over half an hour searching this thread looking for them lol

I will see if I can find it Chuff, but they may have been taken off.

This is the first one posted it has a long intro and also a gap in the middle just FF those,

Youtube video

[Nicky91]

UGH why now and not when he was still alive


back when MJ was still alive they could've punished him, now not anymore, now we can only talk about it

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wade's ex Brandy aka MJ's niece has said he's burned soo many bridges he's just desperate basically to stay relevant with her family's name next to his name .

And yes Jimmy is an actor that's failed and he's desperate for money , so surely it's easy for him to repeat scripted lies in front on a camera but i guess that get's ignored as we must feel sympathy for these 2 known liars! .

So what? The ex is hardly going to support him is she....and who cares if it’s for money...it doesnt take away what happened...they deserve every penny they can get imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So what? The ex is hardly going to support him is she....and who cares if it’s for money...it doesnt take away what happened...they deserve every penny they can get imo.

Indeed

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So what? The ex is hardly going to support him is she....and who cares if it’s for money...it doesnt take away what happened...they deserve every penny they can get imo.

I would agree had I believed this story.They both tried for the money before it was dismissed

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I would agree had I believed this story.They both tried for the money before it was dismissed

It is all down to whether you believe them or not Kaz....of course it can look like they are doing it for the money...perhaps they are BUT I believe them.
Michael had power money and influence..
Do you really believe Michael Jackson was innocent?...or are you just calling out these two as liars?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So what? The ex is hardly going to support him is she....and who cares if it’s for money...it doesnt take away what happened...they deserve every penny they can get imo.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It is all down to whether you believe them or not Kaz....of course it can look like they are doing it for the money...perhaps they are BUT I believe them.
Michael had power money and influence..
Do you really believe Michael Jackson was innocent?...or are you just calling out these two as liars?

I believe he was innocent of molesting kids,yes . I think his relationship with kids came from a good place but was all misconstrued, as it is so alien to most of us, just because you have a kid in the bed or spent a lot of time with them does not mean you have molested them , not everyone is sexually motivated, I believe the police,child services and FBI more than these two randoms who have decided now is the time to tell their story.I am calling them out as liars aswell.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well I tried ,but sorry Kaz I switched off at 21 minutes...Ive never heard so much bollox in my life, 1st up is his lawyer who is getting paid to praise MJ and to deny everything Jimmy and Wade claim ,then we have a woman who couldn't get further up MJ arse if she tried

I never expected it to change my views and it hasn't, but at least I gave it a go xx

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Well I tried ,but sorry Kaz I switched off at 21 minutes...Ive never heard so much bollox in my life, 1st up is his lawyer who is getting paid to praise MJ and to deny everything Jimmy and Wade claim ,then we have a woman who couldn't get further up MJ arse if she tried

I never expected it to change my views and it hasn't, but at least I gave it a go xx

Yes you did Chuff and thankyou for that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I believe he was innocent of molesting kids,yes . I think his relationship with kids came from a good place but was all misconstrued, as it is so alien to most of us, just because you have a kid in the bed or spent a lot of time with them does not mean you have molested them , not everyone is sexually motivated, I believe the police,child services and FBI more than these two randoms who have decided now is the time to tell their story.I am calling them out as liars aswell.

I accept it is an odd arrangement with it being children.

I can take on board however, MJ likely lived a childhood he hadn't had through others.

It was bizarre yes it should have been inappropriate without the childrens or parents knowledge.

So strange it is, as is the celebrity showbiz world.

Like you however, and after the trial.
I do not believe he molested them.

In a crazy warped way, it comes across to me more like when 2 schoolmates had sleepovers.
Watching MJ playing games etc, he was as much as if not moreso, excited like the children.
He was child-like.

He's been cleared of wrongdoing no matter how much those who would love to see him destroyed wish he hadn't.
So they dismiss it and anything anyone may say positive towards MJ.
While believing anything said bad about him with no hard proof of the bad either.

Bizarre, ill advised, inappropriate probably too. However anything bad and being guilty of abuse.
No, not for me, and never on these two peoples testimony now.
Or the other 6,7,8,9 or whatever the figure may have risen to.

I'll believe it, if and when there's hard evidence.
If there's none forthcoming, then for me it's being done for one only other agenda only.
So like you in addition again Kazanne, I would also call these 2 out as liars too.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I believe he was innocent of molesting kids,yes . I think his relationship with kids came from a good place but was all misconstrued, as it is so alien to most of us, just because you have a kid in the bed or spent a lot of time with them does not mean you have molested them , not everyone is sexually motivated, I believe the police,child services and FBI more than these two randoms who have decided now is the time to tell their story.I am calling them out as liars aswell.

I know where you are coming from...and I respect your views.
Isnt it odd though that only boys have actually made these accusations....it’s fine to adore children but any adult knows where you draw the line...