[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This is an argument that I dont understand. You're essentially saying "they are intolerant so we should be too"? No.

We are a multucultural country, we are a secular, civilised country with civil liberties and human rights, Saudia Arabia is not. Why should we aspire to be like them and ban every bit of clothing that we dont like, or that rubs us up the wrong way.

You are clearly misinterpreting what I wrote. They are intolerant, yes. But I don't see this country as being intolerant, and I don't see Germany these days as being intolerant either.

We are multicultural, yes. And I see that as a good thing. But this is not a secular country. The UK is a Christian country, with the Head of State - that's the Queen - being the Defender of the Faith - that's the Church of England. For you not to know that shows just how far down the road we've gone in appeasing Islam. Indidentally, I'm not a Christian, and I support people following whichever faith they choose.

I don't aspire to "ban every bit of clothing we don't like". Did you read the bit where I said I don't have a problem with people wearing the hajib or any other form of religious garb they choose to wear. But the burkha is different and I agree with it being banned. If someone doesn't like that and they want to wear one, best they should reconsider their decision to live in a country where women are free to vote, to be educated, to receive medical treatment and to work in just about any field they choose.

[Niamh.]

closed- Gone offtopic and this topic has already been done to death anyway.

[Niamh.]

reopened - stay on topic please

[GypsyGoth]

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Livia

You are clearly misinterpreting what I wrote. They are intolerant, yes. But I don't see this country as being intolerant, and I don't see Germany these days as being intolerant either.

We are multicultural, yes. And I see that as a good thing. But this is not a secular country. The UK is a Christian country, with the Head of State - that's the Queen - being the Defender of the Faith - that's the Church of England. For you not to know that shows just how far down the road we've gone in appeasing Islam. Indidentally, I'm not a Christian, and I support people following whichever faith they choose.

I don't aspire to "ban every bit of clothing we don't like". Did you read the bit where I said I don't have a problem with people wearing the hajib or any other form of religious garb they choose to wear. But the burkha is different and I agree with it being banned. If someone doesn't like that and they want to wear one, best they should reconsider their decision to live in a country where women are free to vote, to be educated, to receive medical treatment and to work in just about any field they choose.

EXCEPTIONALLY well said.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

omg you can get burka swimsuits



-buys-

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Scott

omg you can get burka swimsuits



-buys-

I hope that's not a piece of her arm I see!

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by InOne

This topic comes up alot, and I've always posted this vid. So no point breaking tradition. Pat can take it from here.

Youtube video

Well he was doing brilliantly until about four and a half minutes in; until he went on an anti-women; anti-feminist rant that'scompletely out of place and out of context. But almost very, very good.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I hope that's not a piece of her arm I see!

its covered

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Scott

omg you can get burka swimsuits



-buys-

More :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZjrrYYuebo...00/burkini.jpg

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Scott

its covered

It better be!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

It better be!

<<< thats for allah not you

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Scott

<<< thats for allah not you

Do you honestly think I'd expect a man to bow to me?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

omg



-orders the pink in a size 10-

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Scott

omg



-orders the pink in a size 10-

I think their boy is peeing in the sea.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think their boy is peeing in the sea.

well he'll be sorry when allah hears about this

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Scott

well he'll be sorry when allah hears about this

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

You are clearly misinterpreting what I wrote. They are intolerant, yes. But I don't see this country as being intolerant, and I don't see Germany these days as being intolerant either.

We are multicultural, yes. And I see that as a good thing. But this is not a secular country. The UK is a Christian country, with the Head of State - that's the Queen - being the Defender of the Faith - that's the Church of England. For you not to know that shows just how far down the road we've gone in appeasing Islam. Indidentally, I'm not a Christian, and I support people following whichever faith they choose.

I don't aspire to "ban every bit of clothing we don't like". Did you read the bit where I said I don't have a problem with people wearing the hajib or any other form of religious garb they choose to wear. But the burkha is different and I agree with it being banned. If someone doesn't like that and they want to wear one, best they should reconsider their decision to live in a country where women are free to vote, to be educated, to receive medical treatment and to work in just about any field they choose.

Yes that reply was just a general comment on the whole "we have to cover up in their countries" argument that is often used as opposed to a specific response to your post

This is a secular country in all but name. Sure by law, the Queen is head of the CoE and we're a Christian nation but very few in this country hold a firm belief in God and Christianity is on the decline while Islam is on the rise. I am indeed well aware of the Queen's status so no need to be so patronising there.

Why is the burkha "different"? You didnt really give a reason there, you just stated that it was. The burkha is surely just an extension of the hijab, they are both intended to protect the Muslim womans modesty.

If there is a British Muslim woman and she considers the burkha crucial to her relgious beliefs then I feel she has every right to wear one, and I'd hope that she would be allowed to in a country that preaches civil liberties and freedom of religion, instead of being forced away to a fundamentalist and repressive country like Saudi.

It annoys me how people always say "they shouldnt have come here in the first place" and "we respet their culture" or something along those lines when more often or not your average Muslim in this country is just as British as you or I.

[MTVN]

Arista will be on your ass soon Scott

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Arista will be on your ass soon Scott

-excited-

-lubes up with WD40-

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scott

-excited-

-lubes up with WD40-

Should have seen that coming

[GypsyGoth]

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

your average Muslim in this country is just as British as you or I.

It depends what you mean by "British" - for example, nationality does not confer heritage .....

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Omah

It depends what you mean by "British" - for example, nationality does not confer heritage .....

Exactly. Just because I can fulfil the criteria to become a national of any other country, does not give me any attachment to it in terms of identity, culture, heritage, tradition or loyalty.