[Jessica.]

The meaning of life if the same in all living things, make babies.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The meaning of life if the same in all living things, make babies.

If this is the case then what's the point in working, education etc.

We may as well live like animals and just procreate.

We are far too intelligent for there to be nothing, deep in my soul it tells me that there's something.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

If this is the case then what's the point in working, education etc.

We may as well live like animals and just procreate.

We are far too intelligent for there to be nothing, deep in my soul it tells me that there's something.

So what were we when we were homo hablis then? Animals or more? Which stage of our eventual evolution from our primate ancestors did we gain this soul?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kyle

So what were we when we were homo hablis then? Animals or more? Which stage of our eventual evolution from our primate ancestors did we gain this soul?

I have my own theory, one that i'm comfortable with, but i don't wish to share it for fear of being ridiculed.

There are many things that can't be explained, and no-one has all the answers, but all i will say is that, once when i was incredibly sad, i was transported to the stars, i was in the universe and the love that i felt was unbelievable, i thought to myself, if this is what it feels like to die, then i'm not afraid anymore, and this is from a person who has had an issue with death from age 16.

I know what i felt and i know this is where i will go when my time is up, so for me i will go on, just like Celine Dion says "My heart will go on"

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I have my own theory, one that i'm comfortable with, but i don't wish to share it for fear of being ridiculed.

There are many things that can't be explained, and no-one has all the answers, but all i will say is that, once when i was incredibly sad, i was transported to the stars, i was in the universe and the love that i felt was unbelievable, i thought to myself, if this is what it feels like to die, then i'm not afraid anymore, and this is from a person who has had an issue with death from age 16.

I know what i felt and i know this is where i will go when my time is up, so for me i will go on, just like Celine Dion says "My heart will go on"

No ridicule from me Rubymoo,we all have our beliefs no one can say what is right or wrong,I'm with you on this.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I have my own theory, one that i'm comfortable with, but i don't wish to share it for fear of being ridiculed.

There are many things that can't be explained, and no-one has all the answers, but all i will say is that, once when i was incredibly sad, i was transported to the stars, i was in the universe and the love that i felt was unbelievable, i thought to myself, if this is what it feels like to die, then i'm not afraid anymore, and this is from a person who has had an issue with death from age 16.

I know what i felt and i know this is where i will go when my time is up, so for me i will go on, just like Celine Dion says "My heart will go on"

I am with you Ruby, there is so much more, for me I would like to think that our purpose is to have a foot in each world, existing on the mortal plane but learning from the spiritual plane. In doing so we, with the help of like minds, could bring back peace and tranquility. It is going to take years for this to happen unless there is a sudden surge in energy which leads us all on another pathway as a "whole". Death is only a change in circumstance.

Each person has the right to their own beliefs and thoughts as we are all travelling together but on different pathways. If we believe in reincarnation then we are each within our own boundaries, noone is greater or lesser, just learning.

We have to enjoy our experiences if they are genuine but we have to be careful not to lead ourselves astray for the rewards are great and to sit amongst the stars is perfection in itself and the love is overwhelming. You must have really enjoyed that. It just goes to show that help is here when we need it and when we have the faith to realise that it can help xx

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

So what were we when we were homo hablis then? Animals or more? Which stage of our eventual evolution from our primate ancestors did we gain this soul?

Although Homo Habilis is generally accepted as a species in its own right, Leakey's proposal that it was a direct human ancestor, has still not been accepted by the archaeological establishment, who still regard Homo Erectus as our earliest ancestor, but I understand what you mean.

That said, how can anyone know whether mankind in his earliest form (whichever species that may be) had a soul or not? There is absolutely no way of knowing, just as there still is no way of knowing whether Homo Sapiens (modern man) has a soul or not - it is purely a matter of belief.

Atheist's cannot prove that God does not exist, no more than those who believe in God (in any of his forms) can prove that he does. This too is purely a matter of belief.

This being the the irrefutable truth it is both arrogant and unfair for any atheist to ridicule any person of faith for his beliefs, when those beliefs are as valid as the atheists. Not that I'm accusing you of this.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Although Homo Habilis is generally accepted as a species in its own right, Leakey's proposal that it was a direct human ancestor, has still not been accepted by the archaeological establishment, who still regard Homo Erectus as our earliest ancestor, but I understand what you mean.

That said, how can anyone know whether mankind in his earliest form (whichever species that may be) had a soul or not? There is absolutely no way of knowing, just as there still is no way of knowing whether Homo Sapiens (modern man) has a soul or not - it is purely a matter of belief.

Atheist's cannot prove that God does not exist, no more than those who believe in God (in any of his forms) can prove that he does. This too is purely a matter of belief.

This being the the irrefutable truth it is both arrogant and unfair for any atheist to ridicule any person of faith for his beliefs, when those beliefs are as valid as the atheists. Not that I'm accusing you of this.

Just like a lot of other things that people know aren't true can't be proven. Science doesn't claim to have all the answers but unlike faith there's actually solid evidence behind its theories.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Although Homo Habilis is generally accepted as a species in its own right, Leakey's proposal that it was a direct human ancestor, has still not been accepted by the archaeological establishment, who still regard Homo Erectus as our earliest ancestor, but I understand what you mean.

That said, how can anyone know whether mankind in his earliest form (whichever species that may be) had a soul or not? There is absolutely no way of knowing, just as there still is no way of knowing whether Homo Sapiens (modern man) has a soul or not - it is purely a matter of belief.

Atheist's cannot prove that God does not exist, no more than those who believe in God (in any of his forms) can prove that he does. This too is purely a matter of belief.

This being the the irrefutable truth it is both arrogant and unfair for any atheist to ridicule any person of faith for his beliefs, when those beliefs are as valid as the atheists. Not that I'm accusing you of this.

The burden of proof is not on the non religious to prove God exists but nice try.

Just because I decide to believe in the God of Anal sphincters and you can't damn well disprove his existence does not mean he does so.

[Braden]

The meaning of life is open to interpretation. Mine is to live it to the best of my ability because it's the only one I will get.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Braden

The meaning of life is open to interpretation. Mine is to live it to the best of my ability because it's the only one I will get.

The only one you'll know of

[King Gizzard]

I reckon everyone should just chill out generally


And

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I reckon everyone should just chill out generally


And

ok calm down

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I reckon everyone should just chill out generally


And

[Crimson Dynamo]

next it will be well i went to a medium and there is no way she could have known what she said to me,,

i mean my dead grandad John died of a heart attack

it was too detailed to be coincidence....

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

next it will be well i went to a medium and there is no way she could have known what she said to me,,

i mean my dead grandad John died of a heart attack

it was too detailed to be coincidence....

I've been to lots of mediums and they always get it wrong.

I must be very hard to read

I did go to one and she said....."who's Robert?"

I said....."he's my dad in law"

She replied......"Lynne's not happy with him....who's Lynne?"

"My mum in law" i said.

"she's just passed over hasn't she" she said.

"yes" i replied

"she's not happy with Robert.....he's not looking after his family, he's selfish!"

How true she was!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I've been to lots of mediums and they always get it wrong.

I must be very hard to read

I did go to one and she said....."who's Robert?"

I said....."he's my dad in law"

She replied......"Lynne's not happy with him....who's Lynne?"

"My mum in law" i said.

"she's just passed over hasn't she" she said.

"yes" i replied

"she's not happy with Robert.....he's not looking after his family, he's selfish!"

How true she was!

no how selective your memory is

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no how selective your memory is

Have you been talking to my hubby

[Northern Monkey]

I happen to believe in the theories that scientific research and archeology have to offer us as it is the most credible information we have to go on.I think religion began due to lack of understanding and continues to this day in part as a way to offer hope of death not being the end.I also think that we(myself included)fear the unknown and religion gives people a refuge from their fear of not understanding.I don't believe that organised religion has the answers,However i do find the stories extremely interesting as an insight into how people thought thousands of years in the past,I am especially interested in the ancient Egyptian belief systems.However,I am not totally closed minded as to things beyond what we as a species know,I feel i have no right to be since i myself and the human race actually know very little.The only conclusion that my mind can come to is......We just don't know.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I happen to believe in the theories that scientific research and archeology have to offer us as it is the most credible information we have to go on.I think religion began due to lack of understanding and continues to this day in part as a way to offer hope of death not being the end.I also think that we(myself included)fear the unknown and religion gives people a refuge from their fear of not understanding.I don't believe that organised religion has the answers,However i do find the stories extremely interesting as an insight into how people thought thousands of years in the past,I am especially interested in the ancient Egyptian belief systems.However,I am not totally closed minded as to things beyond what we as a species know,I feel i have no right to be since i myself and the human race actually know very little.The only conclusion that my mind can come to is......We just don't know.

..I agree with you Paul..it would be the height of arrogance to assume that only the 'explained/proven' by humans was all that there was...but anyway, I don't follow a religious faith but I do have 'beliefs' ..not so much about what happens after death but more 'the meaning of life'...I think for everyone that meaning will be different and I think as someone said early in the thread..for some, their life meaning will be nothing but negative/'evil'..or maybe that's not their whole life meaning but the most predominant effect on others...but for me I think...we have life, we know we will have it for a limited time and then we will die, I don't think about what will happen then but I do believe that a 'dead body is just a carcass' ..it's not that person who lived, that person who laughed/cried/felt...so there is a 'missing element' and the 'energy' attached to that which is huge...but I think it's more for me, concentrating on the 'life' part ...for most of us, we go through life the best we can and it's good and bad and some fairly rubbish times etc...stuff will happen regardless of 'beliefs' or not..the rubbish stuff will happen anyway...so if a faith/belief helps you feel a bit more positive so that you don't lose sight of the good stuff then it's a good thing, whatever that belief is...I think it's also fine to not belief in anything other than 'what is proven/scientifically..'...but either way, why 'waste' life and use living years thinking about it too much...just live/just enjoy your own 'meaning' while it's there for you to enjoy...make it mean what you want it to mean, type thing and don't cross the bridge of 'death' because it will get here soon enough and that will be the time to cross it, like anything else we have to face in our lives...


..I know that often people say that religion is the 'root of all evil..'...well it isn't...it's people being evil and trying to use religion as a justification for their actions....



.....meaning of life and religious threads..Redway.....

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree with you Paul..it would be the height of arrogance to assume that only the 'explained/proven' by humans was all that there was...but anyway, I don't follow a religious faith but I do have 'beliefs' ..not so much about what happens after death but more 'the meaning of life'...I think for everyone that meaning will be different and I think as someone said early in the thread..for some, their life meaning will be nothing but negative/'evil'..or maybe that's not their whole life meaning but the most predominant effect on others...but for me I think...we have life, we know we will have it for a limited time and then we will die, I don't think about what will happen then but I do believe that a 'dead body is just a carcass' ..it's not that person who lived, that person who laughed/cried/felt...so there is a 'missing element' and the 'energy' attached to that which is huge...but I think it's more for me, concentrating on the 'life' part ...for most of us, we go through life the best we can and it's good and bad and some fairly rubbish times etc...stuff will happen regardless of 'beliefs' or not..the rubbish stuff will happen anyway...so if a faith/belief helps you feel a bit more positive so that you don't lose sight of the good stuff then it's a good thing, whatever that belief is...I think it's also fine to not belief in anything other than 'what is proven/scientifically..'...but either way, why 'waste' life and use living years thinking about it too much...just live/just enjoy your own 'meaning' while it's there for you to enjoy...make it mean what you want it to mean, type thing and don't cross the bridge of 'death' because it will get here soon enough and that will be the time to cross it, like anything else we have to face in our lives...


..I know that often people say that religion is the 'root of all evil..'...well it isn't...it's people being evil and trying to use religion as a justification for their actions....



.....meaning of life and religious threads..Redway.....

Very wise words Also we have to remember that religion can't be the root of all evil......It was created by people in the first place.So surely again,It's people who are the root of evil.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am also going to say that the beliefs of ISIL are wrong

more tea spillage

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am also going to say that the beliefs of ISIL are wrong

more tea spillage

Agree with you

[Marsh.]

A lot of it is entrenched in history though.

I went to a Catholic school and I think the misconception is that they drum "stories" into you and make you believe them. They don't.

They teach you about the history of religion, how and when each branch was created, the culture differences etc etc. It's not even just about Catholicism, they give you a broad religious and philosophical education. Which is a great thing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A lot of it is entrenched in history though.

I went to a Catholic school and I think the misconception is that they drum "stories" into you and make you believe them. They don't.

They teach you about the history of religion, how and when each branch was created, the culture differences etc etc. It's not even just about Catholicism, they give you a broad religious and philosophical education. Which is a great thing.

Do they teach you that God might not be real? Do they teach you that Jesus may never have existed and if he did historically exist, he may not have been the son of God?