[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

well only in as much as we are part of europe, because of the free travel within europe once you are in, all the european borders become a concern

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

Yes I know you do.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

If that were the case since the mid 80s there would be more non EU nationals in the UK currently than there are.

[empire]

N. Ireland is a very small country, and dose not have the infrastructure, and is badly split society, and having a load of muslims taking up housing, will end up causing the country to go back to the bad old days of the troubles, east europe has still not recoverd from the break up of the soviet union, with poor infrastructure, and they will only want christian syrians only, euorpe can't really solve the refugee problem, because you can't deport them when the war is over.

[arista]

Yes Germany
look at the mess you have made
making millions more rush over for your
free chocolate and homes

[Kizzy]

Who is being mocked here, the 1000s trying to survive or the one European leader?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who is being mocked here, the 1000s trying to survive or the one European leader?

Sure
But it was her fault.
She Started the Great Welcome
until it got to much.


Our PM is Giving Millions
more in Aid
to help the Camps
he has said today

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
But it was her fault.
She Started the Great Welcome
until it got to much.


Our PM is Giving Millions
more in Aid
to help the Camps
he has said today

Really? just her.. and what was the alternative again?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really? just her.. and what was the alternative again?

Going to the Legal Camps outside the War Nations
not paying Evil Criminals Smugglers who do
not care if you die.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Going to the Legal Camps outside the War Nations
not paying Evil Criminals Smugglers who do
not care if you die.

I meant what was the EU leaders alternative regarding refugees.

[arista]

"who bombed who."

The Syrian Leader
Then Mega Big Isis

[empire]

the fact that europe could deport the refugees to their country of origin, the socialist parties have failed the local people, because they do not understand that they will be a huge burden on welfare and housing, and many fear that they will become a minority in their own country, the problem with the left wing parties, is that they want to have all their cake and to eat it,

[kirklancaster]

Merkels is De Fuhrer not the De Scapegoat.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Merkels is De Fuhrer not the De Scapegoat.

Yes she is the leader of one EU country... is she not being used as a scapegoat?

[Johnnyuk123]

3 countries surrounding Syria have not taken a single migrant in and the migrants are not even trying to go there cos they know that they have no chance of getting in. The EU need to do the same. Simples.

[Johnnyuk123]

Would Syria take british people in if we had conflict here and they fled to Syria? Not a chance.

[smudgie]

A good beginning would to process the migrants at the country they first land in/on.
Easier to sort out the migrants from the genuine refugees and send the economic migrants back home, before they waste all their time moving from country to country.
What is the point of Merkel announcing who will not now be classed as refugees if they don't actually put a plan in action.
A bit cruel letting people travel all that way through half of Europe with them thinking they have caught the gravy train when they hadn't and they will be End up deported.

[empire]

The fact that are government puts harsh cuts on everything, on the british people, but refugees get a free house, food, heating, and get double benefits, more than the british worker who has paid their stamps, and people who are working, struggle to pay the high rent, bills, and paying high tax, that funds the refugees who come here, are mps don't know what a real harsh life is, with there rich houses and flats in london, they still have there forefathers victorian attitudes, too the underpaid british worker,

[Kizzy]

Refugees have nothing to do with cuts apart from the fact the action overseas the cuts are funding are the reason we have refugees ...

[DemolitionRed]

Hopefully we will take the same move that Finland are proposing and raise capital gains and income tax on the rich. The Finish government also announced that members of parliament would be required to take a week's unpaid holiday and all ministers would forgo a week's pay.

Its the wealthy corporate giants who will benefit hugely from this immigration crisis because it provides them with more lowly paid workers.

[lostalex]

the reports i've seen that less than 1/5 of refugees are actually from war zones is really bothering me. it seems like the word is out to everyone in the middle east, if you want to get into Europe, now is the time!

how do you sort out the real refugee's that are from war zones from the people who just want a better life?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the reports i've seen that less than 1/5 of refugees are actually from war zones is really bothering me. it seems like the word is out to everyone in the middle east, if you want to get into Europe, now is the time!

how do you sort out the real refugee's that are from war zones from the people who just want a better life?

The reports were that 'only' 1 in 5 migrants are from Syria. We were supposed to be outraged about that as if Syria was the only conflict to be fleeing from. It might not be mentioned much but there are eight other civil wars being waged between Nigeria and Pakistan alone, shouldn't be a surprise that there are more nationalities than Syrians fleeing conflict