[letmein]

Donald Trump has never held political office and he's a failed businessman -- he declared bankruptcy FOUR TIMES. He should be forced to take a civics test. He definitely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. The guy is a certified nutcase, but he's among friends when it comes to the Republican Party and its current crop of presidential nominee contenders.

[Kizzy]

'I was agreeing with are the general points in that specific post which Nedusa was making about the Serious Debate thread and certain members attitudes on certain subjects'

Ah right, just after diluting the gene pool further then I see. Well if I am referred to there and I'm not saying am but I would be proud to be.
If there's only one perspective on an issue it ceases to be a debate imo.
Nobody has the inside track on 99% of these topics, we just have our say is all.

[smudgie]

Personally, I would ban all idiots, no matter how rich, to be able to run for the presidency.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Personally, I would ban all idiots, no matter how rich, to be able to run for the presidency.

The truth!

[DemolitionRed]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

This isn't WW3 and we are not at war with the Muslims. If we were at war with Muslims then we would be fighting the Turks, the Iranians and Saudi Arabia; we would be fighting in Morocco, Mali, Egypt and many more countries across Africa and the far and middle east.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This isn't WW3 and we are not at war with the Muslims. If we were at war with Muslims then we would be fighting the Turks, the Iranians and Saudi Arabia; we would be fighting in Morocco, Mali, Egypt and many more countries across Africa and the far and middle east.

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

There were stories of crimes committed by Jewish people that were wholly taken out of proportion and used to create a state of fear while demonising Jewish people in WW2. It's the same demonisation process, and people are buying into it.

[Cherie]

You know it's bad when Farage is distancing himself

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

You know it's bad when Farage is distancing himself

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

There were stories of crimes committed by Jewish people that were wholly taken out of proportion and used to create a state of fear while demonising Jewish people in WW2. It's the same demonisation process, and people are buying into it.

"there were stories"

and how does that equate to what al Qaeda and ISIS are doing?

[DemolitionRed]

[QUOTE=Livia;8342659]Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Are you referring those hurt feelings to the Muslims who are fleeing something so awful that we can easily liken it to the exodus of the Jews in WW2? or are you referring to media propaganda that would have us all spitting on Muslims in the street?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews.

True but then 99.9% of Muslims haven't attacked nor ever will attack British people on the street either.

The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters.

Again, 99.9% of Muslims haven't beheaded, raped and killed women and children and really don't want to hang their flag over Westminster.

The Daily Mail was constantly pumping out heinous propaganda headlines about the Jews arriving in Britain. According to that newspaper, no woman or child was safe.

Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

Inconvenienced? You mean inconvenienced in internment camps? Does that include the Muslim professors, Doctors, barristers and other professionals. Does it mean every corner shop has to be closed down whilst these Muslims are kept away from us for our own safety?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

You yourself found the suggestion of badges reminiscent though, that prompted a comparison. As Red said who is trapped in this net of suspicion, every Muslim on the planet, certain countries?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

eggggsactly.

[Niamh.]

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

Sorry Niamh, I have just posted a response to Kizzy before I saw your post. I think that I give an answer to your excellent suggestion in that post though Niamh.

I do not want banning so I think the only answer is for me to quit Serious Debates because I have GENUINELY tried the above suggestion and other ways.

[kirklancaster]

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

User CP - Edit Ignore List and add the name and Bob's your uncle. You don't need a debate about it

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

User CP - Edit Ignore List and add the name and Bob's your uncle. You don't need a debate about it

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. This would be unilateral ignoring wouldn't it? Which does not satisfy me for the valid reason's given in the post of mine which has just been removed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

Its what Jeremy Corbyn would advise

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

How about you don't patronise me on a thread?
I haven't done anything wrong.

[Alf]

He can't get away saying that in this day and age. It was politcal suicide.

You have to surpress your feelings (unless your talking about White Christians, then thats fine)


Enoch Powell said much the same thing, he said they'll be rivers of blood, he was called a racsist, xenophobe, bigot. But it turns out he was correct.

[Shaun]

It's a little daft to compare WW2 to the current situation when god knows how many ill - conceived arms deals and treaties and advancements in technology are to blame for any extremist and his gran being able to get a hold of a suicide vest. I doubt any given jew facing persecution from the Germans and what not could've defended themselves with much success, let alone go on acts of terror (not that they would of course - although perhaps a few attacks on military strongholds wouldn't have been inconceivable?)

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cameltoe and Wine

It's a little daft to compare WW2 to the current situation when god knows how many ill - conceived arms deals and treaties and advancements in technology are to blame for any extremist and his gran being able to get a hold of a suicide vest. I doubt any given jew facing persecution from the Germans and what not could've defended themselves with much success, let alone go on acts of terror (not that they would of course - although perhaps a few attacks on military strongholds wouldn't have been inconceivable?)

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

then blame the radicals and not the people in the UK.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

The brits saved the lives of 1000s of jews and even gave up properties and food during the war and times of ration to feed and clothe these jewish people. So your points on the Jews in Britain and grossly exaggerated and offensive