[arista]

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[Shamima Begum: Court rules Isis bride can
return to UK to challenge removal of British citizenship
The 20-year-old left the UK in 2015 and lived
under Isis rule for more than three years before
she was found in a refugee camp]

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-b...nship-12029526

[caprimint]

****ing trash

[DouglasS]

We don’t want her!

[arista]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

We don’t want her!

But her lawyers
will say she was born in England

[Livia]

How many more appeals I wonder, before some bleeding heart decides she should come home.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many more appeals I wonder, before some bleeding heart decides she should come home.

That's not really how the legal profession works, is it?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's not really how the legal profession works, is it?

I'm kind of shouted down in here when I refer to the legality of anything. And yet it's still regularly used as a stick to beat me in this playground, isn't it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm kind of shouted down in here when I refer to the legality of anything. And yet it's still regularly used as a stick to beat me in this playground, isn't it.

I've neither shouted you down nor tried to beat you with a stick. You made a statement, and I asked a fair question.

[Tom4784]

Her child deserved a chance to grow up and live a normal life but since he is gone, she made her choice and she should live with it.

[user104658]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Yeah exactly this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Bang on right.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

The bleeding heart comment was meant lightly, although I'm not surprised you bring it up.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The bleeding heart comment was meant lightly, although I'm not surprised you bring it up.

I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

Whereas those who imagined their opinion is the only right one, dismissed those those who think she should not be allowed to return as pearl-clutching upholders of the Empire. But thanks... if it wasn't for people taking the piss or trying to get a rise, I'd be on here talking to myself.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whereas those who imagined their opinion is the only right one, dismissed those those who think she should not be allowed to return as pearl-clutching upholders of the Empire. But thanks... if it wasn't for people taking the piss or trying to get a rise, I'd be on here talking to myself.

No one offered a valid argument for why someone born and radicalised in the UK is not the UK's responsibility at the time and no one is now. More importantly; no one even bothered to try. "We don't want her because she's dangerous and that's that" was the extent of the counter-argument. Never any response to why Bangladesh should want her either, other than "that's not our problem". It's not really a debate, is it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

Yeah exactly, I don't think I read any comments that thought she should be allowed back because they felt sorry for her or thought she should be looked after.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, I don't think I read any comments that thought she should be allowed back because they felt sorry for her or thought she should be looked after.

...it’s more that if we in the U.K. say the same of citizens of other countries, that they should be returned etc...we should practice what we preach...

[Ammi]

...surely it’s that she can return to the U.K. to plead her case, Arista...the thread title isn’t completely accurate...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...surely it’s that she can return to the U.K. to plead her case, Arista...the thread title isn’t completely accurate...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

...yeah, to challenge the decision...so your title is not complete, Arista...and therefore not entirely accurate...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

She probably killed them herself, did you see the interviews she has done?

Wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK . Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

She can set up the, i was a isis bride group

And hold coffee mornings.

I have no doubt she will be allowed back and after some do Gooders have spoken to her softly for a few sessions she will be back on the street being totally supported by the benefit system for the rest of her life.