[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

This is supposedly the driver … but maybe complete hogwash




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53? I don't think so

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

This is supposedly the driver … but maybe complete hogwash




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He doesn't look 53

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He doesn't look 53

The Right side photo of a younger fella
is Not the Driver

[Zizu]

TalkSport reporting dozens were injured including 4 children


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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

TalkSport reporting dozens were injured including 4 children


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…the article this morning that I read said the most severe of the injured was one duly and one child particularly so I don’t know if they were together…parent and child, type thing…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the article this morning that I read said the most severe of the injured was one duly and one child particularly so I don’t know if they were together…parent and child, type thing…

Local reporter on TalkSport now saying the vehicle eventually came to a halt there were four people trapped UNDERNEATH it ( including one child) !!


It sounds horrific !!


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[Zizu]

Is it terrorism if he was absolutely pizzed off his head ( straight out of a boozer)! ?


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[Nicky91]

this was no terrorism, this is a 53 yr old british citizens who did this


although i wonder what political views he got, is he anti-foreigners/Pro-Reform?


wouldn't be the first far right wacko to pull off something like this though, since you also see this from far right supporters in germany

[MTVN]

Personally think we should be careful about broadening the definition of terrorism. If we just call every serious crime an act of terror then we might fail to address the roots of actual terrorism properly - that which is driven by dangerous ideologies. Plus anti-terrorism has it's own set of laws, standards and policing so we don't just want to start applying these to every crime

If there are two silver linings to this horror then it's that no one has died and that this wasn't terrorism (or so it seems for now) because that would have even more awful implications

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Personally think we should be careful about broadening the definition of terrorism. If we just call every serious crime an act of terror then we might fail to address the roots of actual terrorism properly - that which is driven by dangerous ideologies. Plus anti-terrorism has it's own set of laws, standards and policing so we don't just want to start applying these to every crime

If there are two silver linings to this horror then it's that no one has died and that this wasn't terrorism (or so it seems for now) because that would have even more awful implications

By now,
they should say
he came out of a Pub/Bar,
then into his car.



Its in the Times Newspaper

[Parmy]

Was he fleeing an angry mob after clipping someone with his car. He did sound his horn as he drove..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s just another layer of ‘horror’ that such serious falsehoods can be posted on social media, which again…only incites…

Yeah very dangerous to be sharing images like that when we don't have the proper information

Originally Posted by Beso

Was he fleeing an angry mob after clipping someone with his car. He did sound his horn as he drove..

I read that alright, people saying he got stuck and hit someone and the mob started smashing his windows and that's when he started hitting more people ( obviously he shouldn't have been driving in there though)

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah very dangerous to be sharing images like that when we don't have the proper information



I read that alright, people saying he got stuck and hit someone and the mob started smashing his windows and that's when he started hitting more people ( obviously he shouldn't have been driving in there though)

He must have beeen terrified. 1st thing a thought about when I saw the footage was the 2 soldiers being dragged from their car when they took a wrong turning at an IRA funeral.

[joeysteele]

Horrific, absolutely horrific.
It's hard to imagine the fear that those witnessing this, and who were injured because of it felt too.
Thankfully so far, no loss of life however what number now have massively life changing injuries.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Horrific, absolutely horrific.
It's hard to imagine the fear that those witnessing this, and who were injured because of it felt too.
Thankfully so far, no loss of life however what number now have massively life changing injuries.

instate more armed military personnel patrolling the streets to prevent people acting too crazy


more nice between the lines and stricter rules for social gatherings

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

instate more armed military personnel patrolling the streets to prevent people acting too crazy


more nice between the lines and stricter rules for social gatherings

The purpose of terror is for us to change how we live which is pretty much what you're advocating. Last time a copper shot someone, a known criminal, gang member and drug dealer, the copper's name was released to the public putting him and his whole family in jeopardy, and he still faces

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

instate more armed military personnel patrolling the streets to prevent people acting too crazy


more nice between the lines and stricter rules for social gatherings

The purpose of terror is for us to change how we live which is pretty much what you're advocating. Last time a copper shot someone, a known criminal, gang member and drug dealer, the copper's name was released to the public putting him and his whole family in jeopardy, he had a £10,000 bounty on his head and he still faces a tribunal despite being found not guilty. I wouldn't want more police in that position.

[arista]

Owen Jones speaking live on Ch5HD AM show
said he watched the online-only video
Then wish he had not.

He also stated Online
before the Police spoke,
People were saying it's a Muslim.

So he understands why the Police said
The driver was White.

[Parmy]

Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Beso

Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS

That looks horrifically scary, and the shouts of kill him ...awful

Looking at that it looks like this was a horrible accident caused by panic on both sides

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS

I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it

…this is also why the police publish cautions about stuff said and shown on social media platforms etc…correct/factual information will take time for the officials to put together and get that more accurate picture and in the meantime there is so much speculation which is also very dangerous…I mean, even in mainstream media they’re using descriptives such as ‘ploughed into…’…and that’s quite an citing word…it’s feeling more and more in danger of becoming a ‘lawless society’….

[Ammi]

…anyway, as Niamh said…if it proves to be the case that alcohol was involved in impairing judgement and that person should never have got behind the wheel of their car then there is a huge responsibility and accountability on them for the events that unfolded in terms of others being harmed…

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it

Contributed to it then..let's settle for that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Contributed to it then..let's settle for that.

As Ammi said, it's all speculation at this point anyway