[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh so much this, Armand.....I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

What Ammi said also

[Vanessa]

I have no problem whatsoever with who doesn't like Marco. But saying WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I WANT HIM DEAD! is way over the top. And i keep reading a post like this a few times. I thought wishing an housemate dead was against the rules?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I have no problem whatsoever with who doesn't like Marco. But saying WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I WANT HIM DEAD! is way over the top. And i keep reading a post like this a few times. I thought wishing an housemate dead was against the rules?

It is Ness, you could report those posts, we don't see everything

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is Ness, you could report those posts, we don't see everything

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

Well then report the quoted post or PM a mod, don't make a thing of it on the thread

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect jack you're making the assumption that this is how all people in open relationships feel and that is just not the case, i'm sure some are how you described but I would say that in a lot of cases one person is only doing it to make the other happy/for fear of losing them if they don't/thinks would just cheat anyway. I've read countless stories to that effect about such relationships

Of course there will be some examples of that, I didn't mean 'all'. But you get the same discrepancies in normal relationships too with people forgiving their partner for cheating just because they don't want to lose them. And don't forget you're all making an assumption by saying that 'most' examples of these relationships are like this too

The point is though is that even in those instances that you describe, as sad as that may be, it is STILL the choice of said partner(s) to grant the hall pass or agree to an open relationship, if that's not what they wanted then they wouldn't or shouldn't have agreed to it. If a person is trying to hang onto someone, then as tragic as it may be, if that's what they wish to do then again that's their choice

All this is is people who couldn't agree to having hall passes and open relationships themselves criticising others for having them and basically telling them it's their way or the high way or else their relationship is disrespectful, meaningless etc etc. Which is just close minded, live and let live and allow people to conduct their relationships however they wish. They're not ours to criticise

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well then report the quoted post or PM a mod, don't make a thing of it on the thread

yes i will next time.

[Ross.]

I want him gone asap it's exhausting to hate him on here

I couldn't care less about Marco/Laura, I'd still dislike him anyway

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Of course there will be some examples of that, I didn't mean 'all'. But you get the same discrepancies in normal relationships too with people forgiving their partner for cheating just because they don't want to lose them. And don't forget you're all making an assumption by saying that 'most' examples of these relationships are like this too

The point is though is that even in those instances that you describe, as sad as that may be, it is STILL the choice of said partner(s) to grant the hall pass or agree to an open relationship, if that's not what they wanted then they wouldn't or shouldn't have agreed to it. If a person is trying to hang onto someone, then as tragic as it may be, if that's what they wish to do then again that's their choice

All this is is people who couldn't agree to having hall passes and open relationships themselves criticising others for having them and basically telling them it's their way or the high way or else their relationship is disrespectful, meaningless etc etc. Which is just close minded, live and let live and allow people to conduct their relationships however they wish. They're not ours to criticise

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, because I'm not allowing my own personal opposition to having an open relationship or a 'hall pass' cloud my judgement of someone else's right to have one. Just because I couldn't have one, it doesn't mean I refuse to understand others wanting to. I am able to process that and not allow my personal opposition to them to take over and criticise anyone else who chooses to conduct their relationships in different ways to me.

Well it's not really up to you or me or anyone else to say that someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' to their partner because...it isn't our relationship. The only people who can decide what's disrespectful or not is the people involved in it, because they are the ones who are a part of it

You can judge Marco's behaviour all you like, and you can criticise his and Laura's OTT dry humping too (I don't really see the point but each to their own), but you cannot criticise his and his fiancés relationship because it is not yours to decide the terms of it. What him and his fiancé say goes, and no amount of criticism from a few Big Brother fans who don't understand why anyone would agree to an open relationship or a hall pass is going to change it.

Yes but what you, I, Dave down the road and multiple others consider to be 'classy' and 'respectful' are subjective and on a sliding scale. They're concepts which aren't quantifiable so therefore they are just meaningless buzz words

Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

[Braden]

Regardless of whether has a 'hall pass' or not (the concept itself is stupid imo) he is making his fiance look like a total idiot by performing sexual acts with another female. Not to mention the fact that he's inferred he doesn't genuinely want to be with her. It's quite disgusting tbh and obviously people are going to judge him for that.

Laura is single and can't help the way she feels but she is also partly to blame. However, I don't agree with the initial statement about how Marco is taking more of the blame in comparison to her. In my opinion he should be taking most of the blame but the only place where Marco may be getting worse than Laura is on here...and despite that, Marco has a number of people who defend him on any occasion on this forum.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded

Originally Posted by Josy

Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

Yes that's what I am saying because you're not it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded



Yes that's what I am saying because you're not it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

There's no point in any of us responding to this thread IMO since you seem hellbent on defending Marco and shifting the blame on to other housemates when he is clearly in the wrong. You'll never stop supporting him so there's nothing we can say or agree on.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

And so you should, you're entitled to it.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

you've got a point Vanessa, i find Marco annoying, but i won't go wishing certain things


and i know we're good friends

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

Great response there

Originally Posted by LukeB

And so you should, you're entitled to it.

And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Great response there



And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Yeah well, it's a deserved response to you basically telling me what i can and can't discuss regarding the HMs

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah well, it's a deserved response to you basically telling me what i can and can't discuss regarding the HMs

Because what I'm saying is true? You've made no attempt to prove otherwise, literally just given up and thrown your proverbial toys out of the pram

I mean fair enough if you don't think it's gonna go anywhere, but you've not really done much to justify your position...and as you say, this is a forum

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Great response there



And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Well you're not entitled to make out Niamh and Josy can't have an opinion and have to think the same as you. It's their opinion

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Nobody's preventing you from having this opinion, so why is it that you must try to prevent others from having theirs?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Well you're not entitled to make out Niamh and Josy can't have an opinion and have to think the same as you. It's their opinion

Well actually I can, because it's my opinion that nobody other than the people involved in relationships (especially ones that people watch for 48 minutes a night on a TV show) are allowed to comment on them or for that matter decide they're 'disrespectful' just because they wouldn't personally conduct their own ones in the same way

But again, you know this so

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Nobody's preventing you from having this opinion, so why is it that you must try to prevent others from having theirs?

Because it's my opinion that it's the business of no one else's but the people involved in a relationship to determine whether the terms of it are 'disrespectful' or not

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because what I'm saying is true? You've made no attempt to prove otherwise, literally just given up and thrown your proverbial toys out of the pram

I mean fair enough if you don't think it's gonna go anywhere, but you've not really done much to justify your position...and as you say, this is a forum

You've literally just told me what I am and am not allowed to talk about regarding the HMs, actually literally said that and i quote :

Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship

and you wonder why you got that response back? Seriously?

Also, why are you asking me on the one hand to "justify my position" but on the other tell me I'm not allowed to talk about the Hall pass?

[Ammi]

...them's the 'rules' though surely, Jack...Marco is a housemate and as such, he was the one who talked about his hall pass/open relationship etc while he was in there ..and don't we discuss conversations/comments/'declarations' and all of the such that house-mates open up for us to comment on in the things they say in the house, as well as their actions in there..I mean, those are part of their actions as well, what we say is a huge part of who we are ..and with that it's opening up for judgements/criticisms as well..(I think..)...that saying that you have no right to or you shouldn't be is a closing down of ..well, points of interest and the whole thing that we're all here for...to discuss these things and share our own slant on them and what we think....

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well actually I can, because it's my opinion that nobody other than the people involved in relationships (especially ones that people watch for 48 minutes a night on a TV show) are allowed to comment on them or for that matter decide they're 'disrespectful' just because they wouldn't personally conduct their own ones in the same way

But again, you know this so

No you can't, you can't tell Josy and Niamh what to do, you can have an opinion yes but you can't forced them to do anything. If they want to have an opinion on that relationship and find it disrespectful they have the right and you can't do anything about it.