[Miss Ivy Balls]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I agree. Ultimately, whether Harvey is put in the public spotlight at times by Katie herself, still does not give anyone the right to mock and ridicule a child who has severe physical and mental impairment ..... anyone who think's " Get over yourselves, it was a joke", needs to ask themselves how they would feel if it was their own child being mocked.... for what...... people to laugh at them? He wasn't offering an opinion -he was mocking the child's disbilities.

Whatever way you look at it, it's not black humour, it's not sick humour - it's disgraceful. Harvey is not in the position to reply or defend himself but that doesn't mean he should be made the butt of jokes..

Let's put it this way: how many comedians would makes jokes about the victim of a paedophile? None in their right minds. It's in the same bracket as far as I'm concerned.

Agree.

I've lost respect for a couple of people in this thread.

The 'it was clearly a joke' doesn't wash when it comes to this type of stuff. That's just an excuse for someone to be vile and disgusting.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

I think you're very wrong there Vicky, any mother would be as angry and do the same tbh Her anger is very understandable and very justified.

Well again, forgive me for being a bit skeptical about someone who has craves attention and made a living out of being in the headlines

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vixen

A few do though...

Just saying

They might, but I am absolutely sure that being the case, the parents of the victim, the butt of the jokes, would be as equally appalled.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

They might, but I am absolutely sure that being the case, the parents of the victim, the butt of the jokes, would be as equally appalled.

Indeed.

Some things should not be joked about. But a lot of comedians seem to rely on shock tactics :/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Well again, forgive me for being a bit skeptical about someone who has craves attention and made a living out of being in the headlines

I know that and that's the very reason I dislike her, but besides being a media ***** she is also a mother, I mean think about it yourself, if something like that was said about one of your step kids, you'd be livid wouldn't you? It's that whole protective thing kicking in, just cos she likes being in the spotlight doesn't mean she doesn't have that like every other parent

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I'm picking on noone.

Jesus this is as bad as trying to say something slightly negative about Saint Cole.

All I am saying is if you put your kids in the spotlight as often as she does, expect backlash. And from what I have seen...it always seems to be Harvey. Forgive me if I havent studied every photo that she/the kids are in

you said she parades him around like a dog show probably because she has the cheek to be seen with him public

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

I know that and that's the very reason I dislike her, but besides being a media ***** she is also a mother, I mean think about it yourself, if something like that was said about one of your step kids, you'd be livid wouldn't you? It's that whole protective thing kicking in, just cos she likes being in the spotlight doesn't mean she doesn't have that like every other parent

Yup...I know.

I just the fact that it had to go to the papers...thats all

I demand a public apology otherwise I will take action...if she was really as outraged as she wants us to believe, she would be taking action anyway.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

you said she parades him around like a dog show probably because she has the cheek to be seen with him public

She does parade him round like a show dog. From what I have seen. In my opinion. That some people obviously can't handle

[Z]

Well I think it's fair enough that the story's been reported in the papers, if anything it's setting an example of Frankie Boyle for making distasteful comments and putting a limit on what comedians can say, I'm a fan of his but that isn't funny and should never have been said. Katie Price is infamous for being a media *****, yes, but that doesn't make Frankie Boyle's comments any more or less acceptable.

[Vicky.]

I dont even know who Frankie Boyle is...I think i must have been living under a rock

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Yup...I know.

I just the fact that it had to go to the papers...thats all

I demand a public apology otherwise I will take action...if she was really as outraged as she wants us to believe, she would be taking action anyway.

yeah but what action will ofcom take? probably just make him apologise anyway!

What they should do is make him work with disabled kids like Harvey for a week and see if he's full of jokes about them then!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

yeah but what action will ofcom take? probably just make him apologise anyway!

Haha good point. TBF offcom seem pretty useless in every situation

[arista]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

I hope they don't apologise, Frankie's sense of humour is shocking and offensive but Jordan can't act the martyr when she's paraded Harvey around on all sorts of programs looking for an ounce of sympathy whenever she can. I feel sorry for Harvey but She's just doing it for the publicity.

Her children wouldn't have been targets if she didn't insist on throwing them under the public glare every opportunity she gets.

Yes thats the Problem.

A few weeks back she said her kids will no longer be featured in her TV stuff
But it was not sent out to everyone.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vixen

She does parade him round like a show dog. From what I have seen. In my opinion. That some people obviously can't handle

How dare she be seen out in public with one of her kids

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

How dare she be seen out in public with one of her kids

LOL yeah, you keep that up. You know thats not what I mean but if it makes you feel like you have 'won' or whatever then you carry on

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Miss Ivy Balls

And he's crossed the line.

You can't excuse it because it's a joke.

Of course I can. Because it's a joke. Not intended to be in any way deliberately malicious, just, you know...a joke.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no 'line' that cannot be crossed with jokes. Because they're exactly that...jokes. Whether you find them funny or not is irrelevant, the fact that they're not intended to be malicious or be taken seriously means that there's no grounds for complaining, IMO.

And no, before someone mentions it, I would not care if someone joked about my child like that. I might not find it funny, but I would understand that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously. I have an uncle with down's syndrome but I still wouldn't be offended by jokes on the subject. I might not find them funny, but I wouldn't be offended and I certainly wouldn't complain. And no - that doesn't mean I don't care for my uncle either, as I've said, it just means I know it's just a joke...

Originally Posted by NingleBells

Oh really??? So people making comments about Katie Waissels chin is disgusting but joking about a disabled child raping his mother is funny?? I have to say jack your logic is all messed up.

There's a difference though, the former is intended seriously, the latter isn't

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JackFrost

Of course I can. Because it's a joke. Not intended to be in any way deliberately malicious, just, you know...a joke.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no 'line' that cannot be crossed with jokes. Because they're exactly that...jokes. Whether you find them funny or not is irrelevant, the fact that they're not intended to be malicious or be taken seriously means that there's no grounds for complaining, IMO.

And no, before someone mentions it, I would not care if someone joked about my child like that. I might not find it funny, but I would understand that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously. I have an uncle with down's syndrome but I still wouldn't be offended by jokes on the subject. I might not find them funny, but I wouldn't be offended and I certainly wouldn't complain. And no - that doesn't mean I don't care for my uncle either, as I've said, it just means I know it's just a joke...



There's a difference though, the former is intended seriously, the latter isn't

No not at all, people were taking the piss out of her chin and he was taking the piss out of a disabled child

[\PJ/]

What he said was awful but i found it funny, but Harvey is only a child who can barley speak or see so he can't bite back which is a shame.

[Tom4784]

At the end of the day like it or not, we live in a time of free speech and that means taking what you percieve to be bad with the good otherwise it's all just an illusion of it really. It wasn't the most moral thing to say but it's his right to say it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

yeah but what action will ofcom take? probably just make him apologise anyway!

What they should do is make him work with disabled kids like Harvey for a week and see if he's full of jokes about them then!

Ofcom cant do anything to him, they can however ask channel 4 to review their policies on what they broadcast, they could also fine channel 4 or recommend other actions that channel 4 should take. But they have no real power to directly punish or even reprimand Frankie Boyle himself.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

At the end of the day like it or not, we live in a time of free speech and that means taking what you percieve to be bad with the good otherwise it's all just an illusion of it really. It wasn't the most moral thing to say but it's his right to say it.

Not really because what he said wasn't true, so in fact it could be classed as slanderous

[arista]

Ofcom has made a statement
that they looking into it.

That same show is on again tonight
at 11:05PM Ch4
will they Edit it?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

Not really because what he said wasn't true, so in fact it could be classed as slanderous

He didnt say it was fact, it was a line in a comedy routine, it cant really be classed as slanderous, just offensive.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

He didnt say it was fact, it was a line in a comedy routine, it cant really be classed as slanderous, just offensive.

I think that's debatable tbh with you

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

I think that's debatable tbh with you

Nope it isnt, if it even got to court it would be rapidly dismissed, there have been cases in the past where comedians have been sued for slander, all the decisions in these cases were decided on what a reasonable person would think of the comment and the intent behind them.

There have been numerous cases in the past were comedians have been sued. In all those cases the general nature of the comedians act is examined, One of the more high profile cases was with Sasha Barren Cohen in his Alii G guise, he was sued on both sides of the Atlantic. Both suits were dismissed.

Did Boyle infer it was true or does he just throw out random offensive ideas as his act. His intent is not to break news or even suggest there is any truth in what he says, he simply tries to offend and shock.

Incidentally it would have to be Katie Price who sued him, Ofcom cant do that. She didnt say she would sue for libel, probably because she has already spoke to her lawyer and been informed the best she can hope for is Channel 4 to get him to apologise.