[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, a good parent should never have to resort to any sort of violence. Anyone who does it will earn nothing but the full extent of my wrath.

No if a 4 year old is in the Road
Yes a Smack is correct
it tells that child that its Danger.


That is Common Sense Dezzy

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

No if a 4 year old is in the Road
Yes a Smack is correct
it tells that child that its Danger.


That is Common Sense Dezzy

I agree....if the child doesn't respond to being told no and does it again or continues to repeat same bad / dangerous behaviour - words clearly aren't working so I see nothing wrong with a smack on the hand or such.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I agree....if the child doesn't respond to being told no and does it again or continues to repeat same bad / dangerous behaviour - words clearly aren't working so I see nothing wrong with a smack on the hand or such.

This.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I agree....if the child doesn't respond to being told no and does it again or continues to repeat same bad / dangerous behaviour - words clearly aren't working so I see nothing wrong with a smack on the hand or such.

and do you think it's acceptable to hit or abuse anyone else if they don't agree with you? would you hit disabled people, or hit elderly people if they don't agree with you? Why do you think that it's okay to hit children but no one else? I don't understand your logic.

you are making the same arguments that slave owners would make for hitting or whipping slaves.

You are beating sense into them? IS that the logic?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and do you think it's acceptable to hit or abuse anyone else if they don't agree with you? would you hit disabled people, or hit elderly people if they don't agree with you? Why do you think that it's okay to hit children but no one else? I don't understand your logic.

you are making the same arguments that slave owners would make for hitting or whipping slaves.

You are beating sense into them? IS that the logic?

Show me where I said beating formed part of my opinion.........

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Show me where I said beating formed part of my opinion.........

sorry, whatever word you choose to use as your description for abuse and violence.

semantics again.

tell me which word you prefer to represent violence.

[lostalex]

I'll make things a bit more simple for people around here.

Would you allow Louis Theroux into your house, and would you allow him to tape you hitting your child on video for the nation to see.

If the answer is no, then you know what yu are doing is wrong.

If you really believe hitting your child is right, then i dare you to film it and post it for everyone to see.

If you honestly believe it's okay to do, then you should have no problem filming it and showing the world. go on then.

All of you that think it's okay to hit your child, film it and show it to us all, if you really believe it's okay, then you should have no problem filming it and showing it to us all.

Prove it.

[Ammi]

..there are many many things which happen in the pricvacy of your own home that you're not necessarily ashamed of but they are private and you would never consider them being filmed or displayed for others to see..the reasons for not allowing private things to become public isn't necessarily out of shame or the thought that what you are doing is wrong..

..to say someone is 'proud' of something..or 'ashamed' of something are two extremes and I don't think anyone is really saying they are proud that they have ever smacked their children occassionally or that they are proud to think that a smack would be considered occassionally..they are saying that it does happen and in their opinion has no lasting harming effect to the child because it's done for instance to show danger/safe situations to the child and it is only a tap..no loss of any restraint involved...

...I appreciate that some think that isn't something they would approve of or condone..but I think the word 'shame' is a little extreme for the views in this thread....

.and I'm not saying that some people aren't extreme in their views on discipline but I don't think that's the case here

[thesheriff443]

a good parent is not afraid to admit to giving their child a smack!
this is done when a child is old enough to no wright from wrong and they have been warned several times
a child that as never been smacked can grow up to be a murderer and vice vercer
as a good parent you try to bring your child up to be a good human being

to those that have not got children until you become a parent your not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

A child should not do the right thing just because they afraid of violence.
A child should do the right thing because they have been taught that it's the right thing to do.

Exactly Alex.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

No if a 4 year old is in the Road
Yes a Smack is correct
it tells that child that its Danger.


That is Common Sense Dezzy

You're wrong Arista. I have never hit my kids and neither have been hit by a car yet and both are well behaved.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

a good parent is not afraid to admit to giving their child a smack!
this is done when a child is old enough to no wright from wrong and they have been warned several times
a child that as never been smacked can grow up to be a murderer and vice vercer
as a good parent you try to bring your child up to be a good human being

to those that have not got children until you become a parent your not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child.

I have children and I have never hit them and they're very well behaved tyvm.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and do you think it's acceptable to hit or abuse anyone else if they don't agree with you? would you hit disabled people, or hit elderly people if they don't agree with you? Why do you think that it's okay to hit children but no one else? I don't understand your logic.

you are making the same arguments that slave owners would make for hitting or whipping slaves.

You are beating sense into them? IS that the logic?

Originally Posted by lostalex

so only SOME kids should be beaten? yea, that's so sensible...

not all kids should be smacked around, just CERTAIN ones...

i'm gonna be sick.

These posts are being made in the year 2012... seriously.

This just shows you are not paying attention whatsoever. You've taken everything being said and overdramatised them to the max. Hitting people because they don't agree with you? Where on earth have you read that? Twisted everything, like you usually do. Do you take drama classes or something?

We've made it clear time after time to you that we are talking about smacking a child on the hand or legs, not BEATING them. Jump down off your pedestal, it's not flattering.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and do you think it's acceptable to hit or abuse anyone else if they don't agree with you? would you hit disabled people, or hit elderly people if they don't agree with you? Why do you think that it's okay to hit children but no one else? I don't understand your logic.

you are making the same arguments that slave owners would make for hitting or whipping slaves.

You are beating sense into them? IS that the logic?

It's not about chastising a child because they disagree with you, it's about teaching right from wrong. I personally hate it, say for instance, you are in a supermarket, and a child is being a pain, and the parent whacks them one, hard. That is out of their own short temper, and maybe not the best way to react. It's about teaching by association, if you like. It's not up to us though to decide for other people. There is no right or wrong (unless it is extreme), only our opinions. Everyone has conflicting views, and everybody is different.

Parenthood is a learning process also...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

It's not about chastising a child because they disagree with you, it's about teaching right from wrong. I personally hate it, say for instance, you are in a supermarket, and a child is being a pain, and the parent whacks them one, hard. That is out of their own short temper, and maybe not the best way to react. It's about teaching by association, if you like. It's not up to us though to decide for other people. There is no right or wrong (unless it is extreme), only our opinions. Everyone has conflicting views, and everybody is different.

Parenthood is a learning process also...

Yes exactly, that's the thing, it's almost always done out of anger and frustration as a reaction.

I always found that the best way to handle a toddler having a tantrum was just to completely ignore it, it works far better than shouting or smacking, they're looking for attention from you and even a smack or shouting is attention.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes exactly, that's the thing, it's almost always done out of anger and frustration as a reaction.

I always found that the best way to handle a toddler having a tantrum was just to completely ignore it, it works far better than shouting or smacking, they're looking for attention from you and even a smack or shouting is attention.

Yes, but not always though. As I said, I think it's about learning by association. Whether it be by being sent to their room, taking their things away, or a light tap. The same actions do not work for everyone. Smacking out of personal loss of temper is not the best thing to do imo.

[Vicky.]

Well from reading this thread this morning I have learned that my parents viciously beat me simply because I disagreed with them at times, they are horrible parents who dont know how to bring up kids, and that I will grow up to be a violent psychopath now because of the beatings.

Interesting.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well from reading this thread this morning I have learned that my parents viciously beat me simply because I disagreed with them at times, they are horrible parents who dont know how to bring up kids, and that I will grow up to be a violent psychopath now because of the beatings.

Interesting.

lol

It was the thing to do at the time imo but I'm hoping that we're starting to move away from it now and realising there are better ways to parent your child.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well from reading this thread this morning I have learned that my parents viciously beat me simply because I disagreed with them at times, they are horrible parents who dont know how to bring up kids, and that I will grow up to be a violent psychopath now because of the beatings.

Interesting.

You can always rely on our American friend to completely go off on a huge insulting tangent over something he's not quite clearly understood.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You can always rely on our American friend to completely go off on a huge insulting tangent over something he's not quite clearly understood.

Oh I think he understood, but I think he wanted to cause a reaction.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well from reading this thread this morning I have learned that my parents viciously beat me simply because I disagreed with them at times, they are horrible parents who dont know how to bring up kids, and that I will grow up to be a violent psychopath now because of the beatings.

Interesting.

..oh dear lets all stay away from Vicky

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

a good parent is not afraid to admit to giving their child a smack!
this is done when a child is old enough to no wright from wrong and they have been warned several times
a child that as never been smacked can grow up to be a murderer and vice vercer
as a good parent you try to bring your child up to be a good human being

to those that have not got children until you become a parent your not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child.

Utter nonsense the last part. I don't have kids... I was a child and I was given sometimes more than a light smack - oddly enough: I didn't grow up to be an abuser to children regardless, nor did I grow up thinking hitting babies or toddlers is right, nor did I grow up to believe that a good thumping of a child was correct either.

A person does not have to be a parent to have an opinion you know.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well from reading this thread this morning I have learned that my parents viciously beat me simply because I disagreed with them at times, they are horrible parents who dont know how to bring up kids, and that I will grow up to be a violent psychopath now because of the beatings.

Interesting.

Someone better tell wee Farrelly to stay where he/she is!

[Bollo]

I don't see anything wrong with an occasional light smack

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Bollo

I don't see anything wrong with an occasional light smack

Well I would assume it's not going to be anyway effective if it doesn't actually hurt the child, and I would never want to physically hurt my children.