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Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Even if taking away there stuff doesn't work? or ignoring them?

Yes. And what age group are you talking about here btw, just out of curiosity?

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I wouldn't be telling you anything - I'd be offering my opinion and respecting yours, even though I disagreed with it.

Like I say Niamh - no point in going round in circles becuase that is all that is happening.

Stop replying to me then, I have no problem reiterating my opinion everytime you reply, if you don't want to hear it then don't reply to it.

Mystic Mock · 13-05-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes. And what age group are you talking about here btw, just out of curiosity?

Well I was thinking 4 to 6 year olds.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Even if taking away there stuff doesn't work? or ignoring them?

And then they begin to really rebel, start going around bullying other kids, start destroying other people's property etc, being completely disrespectful: parents cannot be with their children 24/7 - taking toys away, grounding them, banishing them to their room, etc only goes so far - they go to school and then start lashing out there when they do get 'freedom'.

There are many scenarios that can (and do) lead to this very type of behaviour.

guess if all children were little angels, who all did what their parents told them to do, who behaved after a spell on the naughy step, after a month of being grounded: it would be a wonderful world. Sad part is: we don't live in a world that everyone is blessed with such good children. If it's all so easy, it makes me wonder why there are so many kids who go off the rails. No one is telling me every one of those kids turned out that way all because they received an occasional smack on the hand.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stop replying to me then, I have no problem reiterating my opinion everytime you reply, if you don't want to hear it then don't reply to it.

That seems a very aggressive stance Niamh and I really don't think it's necessary. I'm trying to discuss this with you in a respectable manner and I see no need for the hostile reply you have given me.

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Well I was thinking 4 to 6 year olds.

Anyone who can't handle a 4-6 year old without having to resort to violence against them -and they're still babies in my eyes- needs help themselves imo

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That seems a very aggressive stance Niamh and I really don't think it's necessary. I'm trying to discuss this with you in a respectable manner and I see no need for the hostile reply you have given me.

You're not trying to discuss it with me though, I have given you my views in all my posts, where as your last two replies to me were telling me that we should stop because we're going round in circles. If you want to stop talking to me about it, just stop, don't tell me to stop because I'm perfectly entitled to post on this thread. That is my opinion simple as, no aggression what so ever, I'm not an aggressive person.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Anyone who can't handle a 4-6 year old without having to resort to violence against them -and they're still babies in my eyes- needs help themselves imo

I think your perception of the word 'violence' is a world away from what some others on this thread regard as 'violence' - as it seems to be overdramatising the situation for effect, (in some of others eyes) but that of course, is only my opinion - it doesn't make me right, it doesn't make me wrong either . You are of course perfectly entitled to view any form of such skin on skin contact as violence if you so believe it to be so.

Samuel. · 13-05-2012, 05:47 PM

Niamh's right, psychically hurting a child is indefensible. Makes no sense for it to be seen as acceptable as long as it's a child that's getting hurt.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel.

Niamh's right, psychically hurting a child is indefensible. Makes no sense for it to be seen as acceptable as long as it's a child that's getting hurt.

and what about physically .... (sorry!).

I agree, anything more than a gentle smack is unacceptable. And absolutely no way should there be any real force or strength behind it. That is what I would regard as abuse.

We all have our own thoughts on it.

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel.

Niamh's right, psychically hurting a child is indefensible. Makes no sense for it to be seen as acceptable as long as it's a child that's getting hurt.

Exactly Samuel. I think it's bizarre that it's still acceptable in our society tbh, although I think peoples views are starting to change. I mean not so long ago teachers were allowed discipline our children with canes......now we think that's barbaric

Samuel. · 13-05-2012, 05:52 PM

I'm always spelling physically 'psychically'

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel.

I'm always spelling physically 'psychically'

spell check is your friend

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

spell check is your friend

I know... it was just a rather futile attempt to lighten the mood a little. We all make typos and spelling mistakes on here. ALL OF US.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly Samuel. I think it's bizarre that it's still acceptable in our society tbh, although I think peoples views are starting to change. I mean not so long ago teachers were allowed discipline our children with canes......now we think that's barbaric

I was taught in school with the leather strap being a deterrent, not a cane. I still don't regard that as barbaric. It stopped a lot of the nonsense and misbehaviour.

There's only so much detention can do.

Mystic Mock · 13-05-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I know... it was just a rather futile attempt to lighten the mood a little. We all make typos and spelling mistakes on here. ALL OF US.

Yeah on one of my posts I meant to say have but accidently typed has.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yeah on one of my posts I meant to say have but accidently typed has.

Oh.. I actually remember getting this at school.....that used to sting!

In fact, now I think about it: the teachers used to fire a ruler from the front of the class at great speed! Dodging the ruler was the thing to so (seriously).

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I was taught in school with the leather strap being a deterrent, not a cane. I still don't regard that as barbaric. It stopped a lot of the nonsense and misbehaviour.

There's only so much detention can do.

Well, I can tell you, there would be trouble if anyone raised a hand and definitely a leather strap to my kids!

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I can tell you, there would be trouble if anyone raised a hand and definitely a leather strap to my kids!

Ach, we often deserved it. Didn't do me any harm. Half the time I'd not let on to my parents as I knew they'd agree with the teachers!

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Ach, we often deserved it. Didn't do me any harm. Half the time I'd not let on to my parents as I knew they'd agree with the teachers!

No child ever deserves to be hit with a belt

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

No child ever deserves to be hit with a belt

It was not a belt, it was a leather strap that was used on the palm of the hands.

Far as I am aware, the 'belt' was a slang term for it because I believe it originated from 'a father removing his belt'.

Niamh. · 13-05-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It was not a belt, it was a leather strap that was used on the palm of the hands.

Far as I am aware, the 'belt' was a slang term for it because I believe it originated from 'a father removing his belt'.

No child ever deserves to be hit with a leather strap then

Kizzy · 13-05-2012, 07:49 PM

Yes psychological abuse works best anyway...We actually did find you on the doorstep, the hedgehogs left you because you were a very naughty baby.

Pyramid* · 13-05-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

No child ever deserves to be hit with a leather strap then

Well, seeing as I happened to be talking about myself, and me getting the strap and why I got it : I think I'm mabye, just maybe, in a better position to say whether I felt it was abuse or violent - and I didn't. Indeed, it was very much seen as a badge of honour half the time by the other pupils.

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Originally Posted by kizzy

Yes psychological abuse works best anyway...We actually did find you on the doorstep, the hedgehogs left you because you were a very naughty baby.

OMG.

You might have something there - I was told that I came from my mummy's tummy.

Do you think that meant she ATE me then vomitted me back up.