[Kizzy]

Empty vessels make the most noise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Empty vessels make the most noise.

Only if banged incessantly

[Kizzy]

Boris Johnson has secured an exemption for most British citizens from Donald Trump's 'Muslim ban'.

Under the assurance received from figures in Mr Trump's administration almost all UK nationals would be exempt, except dual citizens travelling to the US directly from one of seven listed countries.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7552386.html

[DemolitionRed]

The US Customs and Border Protection Agency at Dulles International Airport has refused to grant attorneys access to any detainees it may be holding, according to Sharifa Abassi, who is coordinating the volunteer lawyer efforts underway there. Yesterday, a federal judge for the Eastern District of Virginia ordered respondents, who include CBP, President Trump, and the CBP Port Director for Dulles Wayne Biondi, to “permit lawyers access to all legal permanent residents being detained at Dulles International Airport.”

Abassi says late Sunday morning a border agent told lawyers that agents have been instructed not to speak with them. About 15 lawyers have been directed to call Steve Sapp, an official with the CBP Office of Public Affairs, but have so far have not had their calls answered or returned. Washingtonian called the number, which directed reporters to a cellphone number whose voicemail was full.

Abbasi and one other lawyer we spoke to say officials at Dulles have refused to engage with the lawyers since this morning. A border agent who agreed to bring the lawyers’ request for access to detainees, as well as a copy of the order, to her supervisor came back with this message: “It’s not going to happen.”

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/0...see-detainees/

This could be the beginning of the end of the US as a constitutional republic.

[Jack_]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.95487921a43c

Colour me surprised what was I saying a few months ago about these kinds of policies pandering to Islamic fundamentalists again?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jack_

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.95487921a43c

Colour me surprised what was I saying a few months ago about these kinds of policies pandering to Islamic fundamentalists again?

Yup, it gives them more ammunition.

[Scarlett.]

Good video on the protests here, I like how its filmed, just basically showing the human side to it.

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

http://addictinginfo.org/2017/01/28/...ps-muslim-ban/

“It’s not a Muslim ban, but we’re totally prepared,” Trump claimed. “It’s working out very nicely. You see it at the airports, you see it all over. It’s working out very nicely and we’re gonna have a very, very strict ban and we’re going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years.”
Except that it’s NOT “working very nicely” at all.
Thousands of people are finding themselves stranded or detained at airports because of the order. Even holders of green cards are being prevented from entering the United States despite being citizens of this nation. Protests against Trump’s order have also been popping up at airports across the country.
And things got even worse on Saturday evening when security at Dulles International Airport detained a five-year-old girl and refused to let her mother see her.
Seriously, how in the hell is a five-year-old girl even considered a terror threat in this country?
Former Governor Howard Dean posted the news on Twitter and pleaded for an attorney to go to the scene to rescue the girl as soon as possible.

[DemolitionRed]

WASHINGTON —The Trump administration took a major step back late Sunday from its temporary ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries, issuing a clarification that the order does not apply to green-card holders “absent the receipt of significant derogatory information.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

[Kizzy]

Incredible!UKParliament just voted unanimously urging US Government to repeal the immigration order. Very proud of UKParliament.#MuslimBan
9:11 PM - 30 Jan 2017

Brilliant!!

[Brillopad]

If the so-called extreme right have no business influencing official government policies then clearly neither do the extreme left. Extremes on either side would be equally derisive.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If the so-called extreme right have no business influencing official government policies then clearly neither do the extreme left. Extremes on either side would be equally derisive.

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...ar_disarmament

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...ar_disarmament

I think most people in theory would support global disarmament not unilateral disarmament. But even that in these Days of extreme terrorism is unlikely. All good in theory but the reality is not quite as clear cut.

So yes I do still think Corbyn, not the majority of Brits, is extreme and irresponsible in many of his views including disarmament. His personal idealism supersedes his common sense and opinions on what is best for the country in my opinion.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

The alt right are nazis, simple as. It's not about them 'having strong opinions' it's the fact that when people like Richard Spencer speak at events, people will literally agree with what he is saying with Nazi salutes. Nazi ideology and White Supremacy, that's what the Alt Right is.

There's the right wing and then there's the Alt Right Nazis, if you can't tell the difference between the two then that's rather worrying.

[the truth]

a politician with backbone who actually delivers on a promise, what a legend
its a TEMPORARY shut down for 3 months to sort out the extreme vetting and keep america safer. the first riule of government is to protect its people. hes succeeded already here and all others have failed. the limp liberals are scared of offending ISIS? FFS pathetic spineless cowards

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

the limp liberals are scared of offending ISIS? FFS pathetic spineless cowards

Or perhaps, wary of alienating and abusing an entire group of people to the point that they give up hope and become easy targets for radicalisation. Silly cowards, worried about making a problem 100x worse .

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or perhaps, wary of alienating and abusing an entire group of people to the point that they give up hope and become easy targets for radicalisation. Silly cowards, worried about making a problem 100x worse .

nope, spineless cowards who allow open borders across 30 nations , no border controls at all, endangering their own people who they are meant to be protecting

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

nope, spineless cowards who allow open borders across 30 nations , no border controls at all, endangering their own people who they are meant to be protecting

What are you on about?

[Brillopad]

Nazi's were mass murderers so to accuse anyone of being a nazi based on political ideology alone is simple dramatics. Some people do get carried away.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nazi's were mass murderers so to accuse anyone of being a nazi based on political ideology alone is simple dramatics. Some people do get carried away.

Youtube video

Nope, no nazis here.....

Also, you should learn what the Alt Right actually is instead of seeing 'Right' and assuming it applies to you. If you think the Alt Right = Right Wing then you're being more insulting towards the Right Wing than anyone else in this topic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Youtube video

Nope, no nazis here.....

Also, you should learn what the Alt Right actually is instead of seeing 'Right' and assuming it applies to you. If you think the Alt Right = Right Wing then you're being more insulting towards the Right Wing than anyone else in this topic.

Talking of assumptions how did I assume it was being applied to me then, I simply responded to what I thought was a ridiculous point.

I know the difference between the two types of 'right' thanks and, as previously mentioned, I was just responding to you comparing the alt right to nazi's. The only people who compare are other mass murderers/dictators who slaughtered people for so-called ideological reasons.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Talking of assumptions how did I assume it was being applied to me then, I simply responded to what I thought was a ridiculous point.

I know the difference between the two types of 'right' thanks and, as previously mentioned, I was just responding to you comparing the alt right to nazi's. The only people who compare are other mass murderers/dictators who slaughtered people for so-called ideological reasons.

No, The Alt Right are neo nazis and white supremacists and to deny that is to defend them.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, The Alt Right are neo nazis and white supremacists and to deny that is to defend them.

Is it really? One minute I don't understand who they are the next I am defending them - bizarre.