[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I have said the events are horrific, but I also understand that a country being occupied has a right to fight back against the subjugation they are forced to endure, and they have been so thoroughly trod upon, that they basically have no way to fight back on their own. I pointed out the 2018 march of silence they undertook, and no one gave a sh1t about them, then. Desperation doesn't disappear. Absolutely zero acknowledgement for the true conditions in Palestine. The sanctions imposed on Palestine by Israel also fail to discern between citizens and the military, with the citizens being picked off the streets and tortured. I guess that's crickets though, right?

Then you tried to make it an anti-Semitism issue, which is the most cynical and appalling of your points.

Please explain the humane way you can fight back against an oppressor on your doorstep and in your country depriving you of the most basic of human rights, then we can talk.

Hardly appalling, it's pretty intrinsically connected to this conflict. If those celebrating in London last night had seen a Jewish person walking past I've no doubt they'd crank up those celebrations an extra notch. Again it's because of the lack of distinction between state and citizen, apparently any Israeli is a legitimate target and an extension of that is a hostility to Jewish people worldwide. I'm not accusing you of that but Hamas are explicitly anti-Semitic as are many Islamists.

I'm not arrogant enough to pretend to know the answer to the conflict but I know what it isn't. I also know that Hamas have been in control of Gaza for over a decade and have done nothing to advance the cause of peace. What they have done is oppressed their own citizens, ruled with an iron fist, used civilians as human shields, used rape as a weapon and killed innocents. Mostly while their leadership lives in luxury in Qatar by the way. The idea that Hamas care about human rights is laughable. These people are not your allies. I don't really know what it would take for some in the pro-Palestine movement to have their 'are we the bad guys' moment - apparently the rape, abduction and murder of innocent people isn't it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Israel has been using these tactics for 60 years, including rape.

@Livia

have you seen this? Any chance you could comment on it, please? love to get your perspective on something that happened before October 7th.

[Oliver_W]

Victim blaming.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Stu

And so as with the worst of conflicts, innocent Israelis and Palestinians on both sides of the border will pay the price, but neither political elite care about them

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Victim blaming.

You're going to have to help me out a little, here.

[arista]

The Problem is
Hamas Gunmen,
went house to house in Israel
Murdering all in there.

It has been 50 years,
since this level of attack.


Israel Saturday was a Holy Holiday
perfect for Hamas killers to break in.

[bots]

Two Israeli tourists and their Egyptian tour guide have been shot dead in the Egyptian city of Alexandria, Israel's foreign ministry says.

A police officer allegedly opened fired on a group of Israeli tourists in the city. The officer is now in custody, reports say.

The Extra News television channel also quoted an unidentified security official as saying that another person was wounded in the attack.

It is the first such attack on Israelis in Egypt in decades.

[The Slim Reaper]

Jewish mid-east apologist for Hamas.

[arista]

A British Man
20 year old, working in the Army
was killed by Hamas


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aza-Hamas.html

[arista]

Yes back in London
with the Hamas Flags.


Police now looking at it

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Good on SkyNewsHD (now owned by NBC/Comcast)

Allowing the British Palestine Ambassador in London,
to speak live.

Slim far more balanced than the Poxy BBC

[arista]

Hamas used a Bulldozer to break through the Thick High Fence

Easy
on a Saturday HOLIDAY in Israel

Israel also used Bulldozer to break into
side wall of one of their Police Stations
so they could kill all the Hamas inside it.

[arista]

Yes Run in Gaza
Air Strikes are going to spread

[Liam-]

Where’s the moral outrage when Israel commits those things against the Palestinians every week? All that stuff is happening to them on a regular basis, to pretend like this is was an unprovoked attack and that Israel is the ultimate victim is just unequivocally dishonest, is it awful that people are dying? Yes absolutely, if Israel doesn’t want to be attacked, it should stop committing atrocities against the Palestinian people in the hopes of stealing more of their land and wiping them out as a population, Israel is the Russia of this war, Russia doesn’t get to play victim when Ukraine retaliates, neither does Israel

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Where’s the moral outrage when Israel commits those things against the Palestinians every week? All that stuff is happening to them on a regular basis, to pretend like this is was an unprovoked attack and that Israel is the ultimate victim is just unequivocally dishonest, is it awful that people are dying? Yes absolutely, if Israel doesn’t want to be attacked, it should stop committing atrocities against the Palestinian people in the hopes of stealing more of their land and wiping them out as a population, Israel is the Russia of this war, Russia doesn’t get to play victim when Ukraine retaliates, neither does Israel

Again apparently no distinction between Israel and citizens. 'Israel deserves it', 'Israel had this coming', 'Israel has done worse'.

We're talking about children, tourists, the elderly, noncombatants. Many victims of this attack are international citizens. There was zero distinction between military personnel and civilians in this attack. Hamas considered everyone to be a legitimate target whether they had any responsibility for what 'Israel' has done or not. Let's not make the same mistake.

[arista]

[Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at
Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds
of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists
have 'ascended to martyrdom']


STARMER sort your Fring out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...errorists.html

[arista]

I would put this Front Page

Today at Liverpool Starmers Labour Fring HAMAS supporters

[bots]

For all of my lifetime ( 65 years ) every country that surrounds Israel has wanted to wipe the country and it's people out. No half measures, they want to wipe them out entirely.

Immediately prior to that (not way back in history) Hitler tried to exterminate Jewish people by murdering any he could find.

The people that have the cheek to to say .... those poor Palestinian people are very conveniently forgetting recent history, even re-writing it. Absolutely disgusting

[Liam-]

The holocaust doesn’t give Israel the right to commit awful human rights violations against a whole population of people

[Crimson Dynamo]

any minute now we will get the old retired IDF guy video "laughing about killing someone"



yabut whatabout when....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

any minute now we will get the old retired IDF guy video "laughing about killing someone"



yabut whatabout when....

Hold up lads, let professor trumpet cook.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Of course they did because this country is such a soft touch

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Over 700 Israelis now murdered

All Media.