[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well apparantly it would have been good enough to charge them in the UK but Portugese DNA evidence rules are tighter

Is that not because of the dogs used though rather than the evidence itself, I thought it was more because the Portuguese dogs had a much lower success rate in identifying the scent correctly (or the specific dogs that were used had a low success rate...I could be wrong about that but I'm sure it was the case?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

the maccans are innocent, people have to deal with it and stop reaching

[Niamh.]

It was British dogs though that they used and highly successful British dogs

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was British dogs though that they used and highly successful British dogs

Actually yeah I've just checked and I was confused with a case that the McCanns referenced after the cadaver scent was found, they used a case where a man was found not guilty of murder because the particular cadaver dogs used in his case were unreliable. But yeah I'll admit that's pretty damning, I think maybe I need to read up more about it because having a brief look through this thread there's a lot I wasn't aware of. I've just always thought that there was no proof, no charges etc, and that the kidnap scenario is plausible (the alternative being so horrific).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Actually yeah I've just checked and I was confused with a case that the McCanns referenced after the cadaver scent was found, they used a case where a man was found not guilty of murder because the particular cadaver dogs used in his case were unreliable. But yeah I'll admit that's pretty damning, I think maybe I need to read up more about it because having a brief look through this thread there's a lot I wasn't aware of. I've just always thought that there was no proof, no charges etc, and that the kidnap scenario is plausible (the alternative being so horrific).

Yeah look I was the same until I really started reading up on it, it isnt nice to think they were involved (not that I think they actually killed her but more likely covered up her death) but it does seem to point to that

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah look I was the same until I really started reading up on it, it isnt nice to think they were involved (not that I think they actually killed her but more likely covered up her death) but it does seem to point to that

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes..that was unfortunate to pin their hopes on, given Eugene Zapata later confessed to murder, admitted the body was were the dogs indicated.

I mean, its been reported so many times that the squad working on this case from Scotland Yard is the homicide squad. Not missing persons or something, homicide. Why on earth would that be? The intruder killing her is impossible given the claimed checking routine. As the body would have to be there for (I believe it is) 90 mins...

I've been reading more about it and I think I'm changing my opinion on it tbh. The thing I can't get my head around though is why they've maintained such a prominent public profile, sure it's something they'd do at the beginning to avert suspicion but not still after 10 years? Because if they had anything to do with what happened to her, or covered up an accident, and have been lying about it, surely the last thing you'd want is to stay in the public eye and have people questioning every action you take, and you'd be so distraught by what you'd done you'd want to do everything possible to try and forget it, not have constant and unnecessary reminders. I think the only way it would be possible for the cover up theory to be true is if they weren't distraught by what they'd done, but surely you'd have to have something seriously mentally wrong with you for that to be the case since it involves disposing of their childs body. It's just unimaginable. And I suppose there could be something seriously mentally wrong with them, but then that's also a big assumption to make so I don't know if I really believe it. Unless they're psychopaths I can't imagine anything other than them believing her to have gone missing would be correct... but then yeah there's a lot more evidence than I'd realised before so I'm not really sure what I think. I intend to read Amarals book though (I think I saw the link posted in this thread).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I've been reading more about it and I think I'm changing my opinion on it tbh. The thing I can't get my head around though is why they've maintained such a prominent public profile, sure it's something they'd do at the beginning to avert suspicion but not still after 10 years? Because if they had anything to do with what happened to her, or covered up an accident, and have been lying about it, surely the last thing you'd want is to stay in the public eye and have people questioning every action you take, and you'd be so distraught by what you'd done you'd want to do everything possible to try and forget it, not have constant and unnecessary reminders.

In my opinion it got away from them more than thy expected it to, they probably did plan to let it all die down and be forgotten, but it got so HUGE so quickly. After a while they really had no option but to keep going with it, because if they slow down or stop, it will all start to catch up with them. I think it will eventually, anyway. They have relied heavily on having the UK press on side and it's slipping now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I've been reading more about it and I think I'm changing my opinion on it tbh. The thing I can't get my head around though is why they've maintained such a prominent public profile, sure it's something they'd do at the beginning to avert suspicion but not still after 10 years? Because if they had anything to do with what happened to her, or covered up an accident, and have been lying about it, surely the last thing you'd want is to stay in the public eye and have people questioning every action you take, and you'd be so distraught by what you'd done you'd want to do everything possible to try and forget it, not have constant and unnecessary reminders. I think the only way it would be possible for the cover up theory to be true is if they weren't distraught by what they'd done, but surely you'd have to have something seriously mentally wrong with you for that to be the case since it involves disposing of their childs body. It's just unimaginable. And I suppose there could be something seriously mentally wrong with them, but then that's also a big assumption to make so I don't know if I really believe it. Unless they're psychopaths I can't imagine anything other than them believing her to have gone missing would be correct... but then yeah there's a lot more evidence than I'd realised before so I'm not really sure what I think. I intend to read Amarals book though (I think I saw the link posted in this thread).

Yeah I posted the link to his book in the thread, you should read it, its pretty much him just giving the facts of the investigation, nothing sensationalised or anything

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Actually yeah I've just checked and I was confused with a case that the McCanns referenced after the cadaver scent was found, they used a case where a man was found not guilty of murder because the particular cadaver dogs used in his case were unreliable. But yeah I'll admit that's pretty damning, I think maybe I need to read up more about it because having a brief look through this thread there's a lot I wasn't aware of. I've just always thought that there was no proof, no charges etc, and that the kidnap scenario is plausible (the alternative being so horrific).

And to add if they really knew nothing about what happened to her why would rhey instantly try to trash what the dogs found? Why not say My God maybe she died here and someone moved her? Lets investigate this more?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And to add if they really knew nothing about what happened to her why would rhey instantly try to trash what the dogs found? Why not say My God maybe she died here and someone moved her? Lets investigate this more?

Like everything else they haven't done as the parents of an, instantly declared, abducted by peadophiles child. Conning the police and public takes more imagination (and memory function) than they have.
Imagine their reaction if the "totally unreliable" Cadaver and Blood dog had alerted like this inside and outside of Murat's villa, his car, his car key and his clothing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4RDJLMgdWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8k2GkZ7llc
Mark Harrison, NPIA for missing persons police statement. He's mentioned in the first video
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
"A large possibility of Madeleine being dead and her body concealed somewhere in the area "

Using public funding to silence alternatives for 8 years out of 10 was another huge error.
In today's gutter press they've laid on a pity party for the ill informed faithful believers in their hopelessly enacted farce with strategically placed collection plates. More money for first class travel and five star hotels for the lot of them while they continue to do nothing to search for their supposedly missing child.
Two short lived and utterly useless Private Investigations in 10 years? Costing only a fraction of the money they've been given by the public. It would be good to have some transparency from the McCanns, friends and family's Limited Company about how the remaining millions in public donations over 10 years have been spent and what any of it had to do with searching for Maddie.

[chuff me dizzy]

"The shutter was smashed and rolled right up,the window was wide open,the curtains whooossshhhheeeddd when I opened the door " Note one curtain is lodged behind the bed, window closed, shutter undamaged and pulled down

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Actually yeah I've just checked and I was confused with a case that the McCanns referenced after the cadaver scent was found, they used a case where a man was found not guilty of murder because the particular cadaver dogs used in his case were unreliable. But yeah I'll admit that's pretty damning, I think maybe I need to read up more about it because having a brief look through this thread there's a lot I wasn't aware of. I've just always thought that there was no proof, no charges etc, and that the kidnap scenario is plausible (the alternative being so horrific).

Yes..that was unfortunate to pin their hopes on, given Eugene Zapata later confessed to murder, admitted the body was were the dogs indicated.

I mean, its been reported so many times that the squad working on this case from Scotland Yard is the homicide squad. Not missing persons or something, homicide. Why on earth would that be? The intruder killing her is impossible given the claimed checking routine. As the body would have to be there for (I believe it is) 90 mins...

[Niamh.]

I cant post a link now cos i'm on my phone but you should just check out the dogs, they had a British handler too. They were brought into the 4 couples apartments and the McCanns wss the only one they indicated an odour, same with the hire car, they checked a good few but the McCanns car is the only one they indicated

[Black Dagger]

Stick them behind bars where they belong already.

[Cal.]

Yeah I agree that you either go on an adults holiday or a kids holiday. Trying to do both is unfair on the children in my opinion.

[ebandit]

...note to the mc cann's.................a child is for life...............not until they

disrupt one's holiday..........................

Mark L

[Niamh.]

"I went through a phase of guilt for not knowing what happened to her. I blamed myself for thinking that the place was safe.
"But the certainty that we are truly responsible parents has helped me carry on.
"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."
Asked about whether she and her husband were responsible for their daughter's disappearance, she said: "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us."


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"I went through a phase of guilt for not knowing what happened to her. I blamed myself for thinking that the place was safe.
"But the certainty that we are truly responsible parents has helped me carry on.
"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."
Asked about whether she and her husband were responsible for their daughter's disappearance, she said: "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us."


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Kate laying it on the line

[Crimson Dynamo]

cant wait to see her on BGT

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do any of you lot have any examples of a similar situation, where "murderers" have kept them selves in the public eye for 10 years and have subsequently being found guilty?

[Vanessa]

There are a lot of things that don't make sense in this case. I don't believe for a second the McCanns murdered their daughter on purpose. I think it was an accident that they covered up. All evidence point at Maddie sadly dying in that flat on that sunday. I wish things were different, but i don't hold much hope.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There are a lot of things that don't make sense in this case. I don't believe for a second the McCanns murdered their daughter on purpose. I think it was an accident that they covered up. All evidence point at Maddie sadly dying in that flat on that sunday. I wish things were different, but i don't hold much hope.

and they covered it up why?

how did she die

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they covered it up why?

how did she die

Not sure. Maybe she went out looking for her parents and fell?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they covered it up why?

how did she die

Because they were probably doping them LT. If you don't think that's realistic, you're sheltered. If you don't understand why they would cover it up, then you should look into the murky legal waters of using meds off-label, especially as a doctor.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do any of you lot have any examples of a similar situation, where "murderers" have kept them selves in the public eye for 10 years and have subsequently being found guilty?

Do you have an example of any other missing child case that has been in the public eye for 10 years and generated literally millions of pounds, and gained massive political interest?

We all know that the McCann case is unique and strange no matter which way you slice it. I'm not sure what you're trying to illustrate here.