[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're Portuguese Police files though don't you know......foreign ones

Oh yes, can't be trusting those dodgy foreigners

The rotatory interviews were conducted by British police though, so maybe we can trust those. Plenty of evidence in them...

The dogs were brought in by British Police also...hmm

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The problem with this is that it seems there are witnesses that Madeleine was alive up til about 5pm

So it still only leaves 5 hours.

The only problem I have with Amarals theory, is the fridge. It seems so...out there to stash the body there then transport it in the hire car. BUT there is no denying something happened in that car. And with the DNA markers found, if it had been in the UK that would have been enough to convict. Luckily for the McCanns, Portugal is a bit stricter with DNA evidence..

Also, the fridge thing is weird, who replaces a fridge in a holiday apartment? No one and certainly not someone who won't even fork out for a baby sitter, that's for sure

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah neither do I, they would need more time to hide her body and work out a plan of action

Yes I think they would. Cadaverine isn't released from a body for at least 90 minutes after death, depending on climate. That's supposedly the entire length of time they were out. Following the Cadaver dog alerts, a body, deceased for at least 90 minutes, had been moved from the garden, from under the window in the lounge and into the parents bedroom where it alerted inside the wardrobe. Unless she died before they went out, it seems impossible. The PJ set it at any time after 5.35, but even that's hazy because of their conflicting statements and vague creche records. Could even they be callous enough to go out and act normally after something so horrific? They were definitely both seen by independent witnesses in the Tapas Bar from around 8.30.

[smudgie]

I just don't understand how if all this evidence was true, why weren't they charged, home or abroad?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I just don't understand how if all this evidence was true, why weren't they charged, home or abroad?

Under normal circumstances I am convinced that they would eventually have been charged in Portugal (e.g. if they were a Portuguese couple). It's the fact that they were a British couple on holiday abroad that muddied the waters. All sorts of people / agencies got involved and the whole thing became a tangled web very quickly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I just don't understand how if all this evidence was true, why weren't they charged, home or abroad?

media, freemasons, money, hype, beckham, lies, destroyed evidence, useless journalists , the pope etc what a fiasco

[anne666]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you can look at spurious conspiracy websites and youtube bolloxio but I think I will stick with trained braodsheet journalists and Scotland Yard

Gagged media misinformation, approved by the seriously litigious McCanns and you claim they're accurate? I don't have any reason to mistrust a British ex Detective Superintendent. Or do UK police have to be falsely labelled hopeless and out to get the poor innocent souls too?
Their, instantly insisted upon, peadophile abduction story is only one part of this investigation and in 10 years it remains totally unproven. Yet anyone daring to look at McCann banned alternatives are conspiracy theorists? LOL! You've really swallowed the McCann party line!
Did they threaten to sue the UK and Portguese police who worked together for daring to look at the other alternatives? In an overwhelming majority of cases like this family are involved. But if they say they're innocent that's it? No further inquiries necessary? Why should the McCanns have that exclusive legal status? Sorry it doesn't wash now and it never has.
Since 2007 all there is of any validity are many pointers still firmly in place towards the McCanns and co. and they all know it. Even their, hired from public donations, inept master of spin Mitchell eventually admitted there wasn't any evidence of a break in.
Regardless of their asinine efforts to fake one and immediately spread lies to the media and their friends and family in the uk on the night their daughter had supposedly gone "missing". Far more important then searching for their helpless little 3 year old girl. Along with their other many strange priorities, such as deleting all but one logged call detailand all texts from their phones covering their entire time in Portugal. Around 64 in total. All perfectly normal behaviour under their horrifying and vehemently insisted upon version of events. As was all of their subsequent strange behaviour which they're still acting out now like fools. As usual unable to resist digging their too deep hole even deeper.

SY's Andy Redwood.
2014
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-girls-algarve

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.
Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

Did they threaten SY with litigation?

Maybe start looking further than anything the McCanns have allowed, such as the PJ flies which consists of UK police and PJ reports, a good place to start.

[user104658]

I do have to admire LT for sticking with this one. I mean, basically everyone else is united in suspecting that the McCanns have at least been "less than truthful" about events. People who disagree on every other topic under the sun are all like "Oh yeah but the McCanns are well dodgy."

But not LT! LT still believes in Kate goddamnit, until the end. He's the Sam to her Frodo .

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by the truth

what a fiasco

the truth is out there.....................somewhere!

Mark L

[the truth]

Originally Posted by ebandit

the truth is out there.....................somewhere!

Mark L

only 1 person knows the full brutal truth and sadly she died 10 yrs ago

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,I forgot about the couch and the dosing of the children,if that was the case ,it's still terrible for them to cover that up ,infact probably worse than one of them losing their temper for a second and accidently killing her.I wonder if we will ever find out ?

You never know as Forensics seems to have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, where once a minute piece of DNA etc, was pretty much useless, now I believe can be enhanced so it can yield better results, so maybe they will come closer to solving the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance soon.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

only 1 person knows the full brutal truth and sadly she died 10 yrs ago

I actually don't think (thankfully) that the poor little girl would have had any idea of what happened to her. Considering her death was (to me) almost certainly a covered up accident, I find it likely that whatever happened to her was either instant or in her sleep.

Which is also one of the really sick parts if it where her parents are concerned to be honest. They know fine well that she didn't suffer or at least didn't suffer for long, but they would have the world imagining untold torments, the stuff of serious nightmares, with their abduction fantasies.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Suze

You never know as Forensics seems to have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, where once a minute piece of DNA etc, was pretty much useless, now I believe can be enhanced so it can yield better results, so maybe they will come closer to solving the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance soon.

I hope so Suze

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do have to admire LT for sticking with this one. I mean, basically everyone else is united in suspecting that the McCanns have at least been "less than truthful" about events. People who disagree on every other topic under the sun are all like "Oh yeah but the McCanns are well dodgy."

But not LT! LT still believes in Kate goddamnit, until the end. He's the Sam to her Frodo .

I'm with LT on this one I haven't read this particular thread because I find the McCann discussions a bit exhausting tbh, and it's not that I don't think there's a possibility they could have been involved, there is just as there are numerous possibilities. But there's no actual evidence that they had anything to do with it, just things that look kinda dodgy, but nothing that would equate them to being child killers. Yes some scenarios that get suggested sound very unlikely, but then the scenario of parents killing their own child or covering up their child's death is also something that's extremely unlikely, so I never understand the 'well that's too unlikely, they must have been involved' argument towards what I think are plausible scenarios. So since noone really knows what happened that night I don't know why, of all the possibilities, that so many people seem so convinced that the McCanns played a part in it. I can't help but think that maybe it's because it makes it more sensationalist and more of an interesting story? I don't really get it tbh.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm with LT on this one I haven't read this particular thread because I find the McCann discussions a bit exhausting tbh, and it's not that I don't think there's a possibility they could have been involved, there is just as there are numerous possibilities. But there's no actual evidence that they had anything to do with it, just things that look kinda dodgy, but nothing that would equate them to being child killers. Yes some scenarios that get suggested sound very unlikely, but then the scenario of parents killing their own child or covering up their child's death is also something that's extremely unlikely, so I never understand the 'well that's too unlikely, they must have been involved' argument towards what I think are plausible scenarios. So since noone really knows what happened that night I don't know why, of all the possibilities, that so many people seem so convinced that the McCanns played a part in it. I can't help but think that maybe it's because it makes it more sensationalist and more of an interesting story? I don't really get it tbh.

there is way more evidence they covered it up , than she was taken....at the very least they were appallingly neglectful parents who changed their stories umpteen times, who damaged the crime scene evidence, who left doors and windows open, who used charity money to sue people for a decade and who used public and police resources for 10 years at the expense of other thousands of lost children.....but we all know thats just the best case scenario for the mccanns, whats the horrific reality?

[Niamh.]

There is actual evidence though Jamie.The only phsyical evidence points to Maddie dying in the apartment and cadaver scent was found not only in the apartment but also on Kates clothes

[Crimson Dynamo]

the maccans are innocent, people have to deal with it and stop reaching

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by the truth

only 1 person knows the full brutal truth and sadly she died 10 yrs ago

..........at least one knows...........otherwise we would see maddie


.........read so much............if it was the truth the case would be long solved
/closed

....well? it would....would it not......................

Mark L

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There is actual evidence though Jamie.The only phsyical evidence points to Maddie dying in the apartment and cadaver scent was found not only in the apartment but also on Kates clothes

Wasn't the cadaver scent evidence deemed unreliable though? I think 'evidence' was probably the wrong word What I mean is there's no proof, or at least no evidence that's convinced me of their guilt.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Wasn't the cadaver scent evidence deemed unreliable though? I think 'evidence' was probably the wrong word What I mean is there's no proof, or at least no evidence that's convinced me of their guilt.

Well apparantly it would have been good enough to charge them in the UK but Portugese DNA evidence rules are tighter

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well apparantly it would have been good enough to charge them in the UK but Portugese DNA evidence rules are tighter

Is that not because of the dogs used though rather than the evidence itself, I thought it was more because the Portuguese dogs had a much lower success rate in identifying the scent correctly (or the specific dogs that were used had a low success rate...I could be wrong about that but I'm sure it was the case?)

[Niamh.]

It was British dogs though that they used and highly successful British dogs

[Niamh.]

I cant post a link now cos i'm on my phone but you should just check out the dogs, they had a British handler too. They were brought into the 4 couples apartments and the McCanns wss the only one they indicated an odour, same with the hire car, they checked a good few but the McCanns car is the only one they indicated

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was British dogs though that they used and highly successful British dogs

Actually yeah I've just checked and I was confused with a case that the McCanns referenced after the cadaver scent was found, they used a case where a man was found not guilty of murder because the particular cadaver dogs used in his case were unreliable. But yeah I'll admit that's pretty damning, I think maybe I need to read up more about it because having a brief look through this thread there's a lot I wasn't aware of. I've just always thought that there was no proof, no charges etc, and that the kidnap scenario is plausible (the alternative being so horrific).

[Black Dagger]

Stick them behind bars where they belong already.