[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

I agree a ban in the car where passengers are involved but otherwise if a solitary person wants to smoke them selves to death......That's their stupid choice.......However in practice enforcing a ban would be as good as impossible........So whats the point!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, see I don't get why people want to force other people to not smoke in their own cars? What difference does it make to anyone else If I smoke in my car? Yes, I know it's bad for me but why is that anyones elses business?

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah, see I don't get why people want to force other people to not smoke in their own cars? What difference does it make to anyone else If I smoke in my car? Yes, I know it's bad for me but why is that anyones elses business?

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

Well, the costing the state bit I disagree with, I think I more than pay my share on the huge taxes put on cigarettes!

And yes, I see where you're coming from with the last comment but it is not done out of selfishness or disregard for my children or husband thank you very much, I was already addicted before I had either.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

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[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Its called nanny state. Those that do not value their health the state sees fit to try and force them to value their health..........Unenforcable of course.......There is a wider debate however.......those damaging their health do put a strain on the health service costs in the long run so there is method in the madness of nanny state mentality........

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

Of course the fact that lots smokers get lung cancer and die relatively quickly due to the fast acting nature of lung cancer, without receiving a lot of expensive treatment, from the NHS which has in turn received lots of money via the tax on tobacco from them. Also insurance premiums etc are more expensive for smokers, there is also the element of tax on that. Smokers and smoking takes out a lot less than it puts into the state.

Its not so much smokers, its doctors calling for the ban, smoking is an easy target, after all they would just be ignored if they called for more effective catalytic converters on all vehicles or even more effective emission control on aircraft, two factors that have been proven to have a greater direct effect on childhood asthma. - Jobs for the boys.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well, the costing the state bit I disagree with, I think I more than pay my share on the huge taxes put on cigarettes!

And yes, I see where you're coming from with the last comment but it is not done out of selfishness or disregard for my children or husband thank you very much, I was already addicted before I had either.

The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

[Twilight]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Also smokers have no regard for their partners and children if the shoud become ill or die as a result of an avoidable bad rather selfish habit.......

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

What complete and utter garbage, lung canver is very fast and invasive as is liver and stomach cancers in most cases. So the smoker stops before any of that develops and then lasts into his or her 80's or even longer, the burden on the state then increases astronomically, not only in health care terms but also in the other little things the state pays for, you know things like an old age pension, concessionary fares etc etc.

If it did cost so much more to the state, this labour government would have banned smoking completely well before now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The taxes on cigarettes would go no where to cover the cost of treating cancer and heart disease so that is I am afraid a smoker in denial of the habit and its consequences.........Smoking is an addiction that can be broken if not for yourself you should not be selfish about the consequences to your wife and children if they have to face the possibility of watching a slow lingering death due to smoking..........Their mental well being is being ignored is it not...!!!!!!

First of all I do not have a wife I have a husband as I am female.

Secondly I still beg to differ on your theory about how much tax I've already paid and will continue to pay on the price of cigarettes.

Thirdly how dare you accuse me of not caring about my family.

[Niamh.]

currently tax on cigarettes in Ireland is 61.3% which is €5.21 per pack that I buy, I smoke 1 pack a day over 52 weeks over 15 years, so so far I've paid around €28446

[30stone]

I hate when people smoke in cars, especially if im in it, it really bugs me.

Thing is these ******* that smoke in there car look found for their cigarettes put the lighter to the end of it..

Pay attention to the bloody road, almost crashed into someone lighting a cigarettes whilst driving, morons.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Shasown

What complete and utter garbage, lung canver is very fast and invasive as is liver and stomach cancers in most cases. So the smoker stops before any of that develops and then lasts into his or her 80's or even longer, the burden on the state then increases astronomically, not only in health care terms but also in the other little things the state pays for, you know things like an old age pension, concessionary fares etc etc.

If it did cost so much more to the state, this labour government would have banned smoking completely well before now.

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Twilight

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/

Ok get angry..Thats what happens when a nerve has been touched.......Anger based on your guilt for not caring enough to stop the ridoiculous habit of walking about like a bloody chimny pot......

[Twilight]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Ok get angry..Thats what happens when a nerve has been touched.......Anger based on your guilt for not caring enough to stop the ridoiculous habit of walking about like a bloody chimny pot......

I don't smoke?

[30stone]

Originally Posted by Twilight

You bastard, my mum cares about me and all my family, so get that stupid idea outta your head:/

Don't insult other members.

To an extent i agree with bananarama to.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by bananarama

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

yeah point being im a selfish ****? i blow smoke in peoples faces all day long......

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 30stone

I hate when people smoke in cars, especially if im in it, it really bugs me.

Thing is these ******* that smoke in there car look found for their cigarettes put the lighter to the end of it..

Pay attention to the bloody road, almost crashed into someone lighting a cigarettes whilst driving, morons.

Are you calling me a ******???? I am quite capable of driving my car without crashing whilst looking for a lighter Ben!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 30stone

Don't insult other members.

To an extent i agree with bananarama to.

I think you'll find banararama started the insulting other members first

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Fair enough in Taxis and that but don't tell me I can't smoke in my own privatly owned car thank you very much!

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[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

That my friend is complete garbage.. Not all cancers are fast.......Wishfull thinking for those in denial......Get on with it kill yourselves........Smokers are to selfish and weak addicts to care about their relatives .....

No it isnt, the vast majority of cancers claimed to be caused by smoking like lung cancer etc are relatively fast acting, by the time the patient is diagnosed its more often than not too late for any effective treatment.

I dont smoke but I am not fascist enough to inflict my wishes on those who want to. I agree with the ban on smoking in enclosed spaces wherever there are or even likely to be non smokers however I fail to see how a ban on smoking in cars where children are transported can be enforced without a complete on smoking in any vehicles. Because then the government are removing a freedom from smokers who would never have kids in the car anyway, what measures are going to be introduced to compensate for this? Smokers only pulling places on all roads? Guaranteed smokers only car parking areas?

And you still havent accepted that the only reason the Government doesnt ban it outright is because it brings into Treasury coffers more revenue than it costs. If it created a negative costing to the Health Service the government would have not only a moral duty of care but a fiscal duty to ban it outright, however its a nice little earner.

[Enid]

A bus driver started smoking once. There were babies and children on that bus, yet he thought it would be okay for him to light up while we were waiting in a traffic jam. Needless to say, he got an ear full.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Enid

A bus driver started smoking once. There were babies and children on that bus, yet he thought it would be okay for him to light up while we were waiting in a traffic jam. Needless to say, he got an ear full.

That's illegal, well it is here anyway

[Ramsay]

yeah well its bad if you light up in a bus or taxi
but in your OWN car ..smoke all ya like

[30stone]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Are you calling me a ******???? I am quite capable of driving my car without crashing whilst looking for a lighter Ben!

Most people arent its like talking on a phone or a girl wearing make up.

Most of us can ( i only talk on the phone )..

But some cant hence why i get some guy almost going into me because hes lighting a cigarette.

[Twilight]

Oh yeah so using the phone is fine right:/ just wait until you end up in a car crash.