[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

Well, imagine you had really awful neighbours.. Neighbours who demanded your house from you then gave ownership to fellow awful people and demanded you then pay them to live there. Neighbours who would demand all your food and let you and your family starve to death...

Would you want to join those neighbours and their neighbours in a wee get together?

yeah she would. she's a bit dark is our Steph.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah I reckon that could have a little bit to do with, plus the way they were treated when they were subject to British rule.

Or then again it could just be because they get all that wet weather from the Atlantic.

but howcome england is the only one that are still really hated for there past crimes? its not like any of us that are here now did that all the way back then.

i dont believe that ireland should have been split in two,but the way some irish people from the republic of ireland mention the past as to why they wouldnt want to join the uk need to get a grip as it wouldnt be like it was then,you would actually be treated better this time.

although i believe britain should just be england,wales and scotland as we are on the same land.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but howcome england is the only one that are still really hated for there past crimes? its not like any of us that are here now did that all the way back then.

i dont believe that ireland should have been split in two,but the way some irish people from the republic of ireland mention the past as to why they wouldnt want to join the uk need to get a grip as it wouldnt be like it was then,you would actually be treated better this time.

although i believe britain should just be england,wales and scotland as we are on the same land.

Well, it's probably to do with the fact that it wasn't all that long ago when it happened for a start and there is still fighting going on in Northern Ireland over it, also it has split our country permanently in two.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, it's probably to do with the fact that it wasn't all that long ago when it happened for a start and there is still fighting going on in Northern Ireland over it, also it has split our country permanently in two.

i dont think it will be permanent,and it was about 50 years ago when it happened wasnt it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i dont think it will be permanent,and it was about 50 years ago when it happened wasnt it?

50 years ago is pretty recent and I do think that the split is permanent yeah.

[Tom.]

I work with some Irish girl who gets pissy every time you say POTATO

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom.

I work some Irish girl who gets pissy every time you say POTATO

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

50 years ago is pretty recent and I do think that the split is permanent yeah.

well considering im from the future,50 years ago is a very long time.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i dont think it will be permanent,and it was about 50 years ago when it happened wasnt it?

About 90 I think, doesnt mean it isnt still an issue though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

About 90 I think, doesnt mean it isnt still an issue though

that's a relatively short time in terms of history, and I wouldn't say it was an issue as such, I mean I like England and English people(bar the odd few) it's just when people make insensitive comments it does annoy me.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

About 90 I think, doesnt mean it isnt still an issue though

well the germans and japanese shouldnt be forgiven for starting world war 2 then.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

well the germans and japanese shouldnt be forgiven for starting world war 2 then.

but you're not getting what I'm saying, it's not that you're not forgiven but that's not to say we haven't forgotten, and someone saying that they think we should be part of the UK is a bit insensitive after the trouble we've had with the UK in the past, don't you think?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

that's a relatively short time in terms of history, and I wouldn't say it was an issue as such, I mean I like England and English people(bar the odd few) it's just when people make insensitive comments it does annoy me.

i do think beastie was wrong for what she said,but i dont get why people always bring up our past crimes all the time? because that would mean the japanese and the germans should still be hated then.

that is how jedward fever sees it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

that's a relatively short time in terms of history, and I wouldn't say it was an issue as such, I mean I like England and English people(bar the odd few) it's just when people make insensitive comments it does annoy me.

I'm a bit confused about whether he was talking about the split of Ireland or the ROI's independence actually, I dont think the ROI being independent is still really an issue, basically noone thinks that should change and I doubt most Irish actually hate Britain?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm a bit confused about whether he was talking about the split of Ireland or the ROI's independence actually, I dont think the ROI being independent is still really an issue, basically noone thinks that should change and I doubt most Irish actually hate Britain?

lol, me too and no of course we don't hate Britain or the English, I'm fully aware nobody in Britain now is responsible for what happened back then, like I said it's just when English people make comments like Beasts it is annoying but then she didn't seem to fully know our history either. You have to remember the history we learn in school is probably a whole lot different to what you learn in the UK.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i do think beastie was wrong for what she said,but i dont get why people always bring up our past crimes all the time? because that would mean the japanese and the germans should still be hated then.

that is how jedward fever sees it.

no one is saying you should be hated though and the reason the past was brought up after Beasts comments was because her comments had a lot to do with with the past or atleast the reason for why her comment was a bit insensitive anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm a bit confused about whether he was talking about the split of Ireland or the ROI's independence actually, I dont think the ROI being independent is still really an issue, basically noone thinks that should change and I doubt most Irish actually hate Britain?

no i believe that northern ireland should reunite with republic of ireland,i just dont get why britains past crimes always gets brought up but no other countries past crimes get as much focus,even though some of the other countries past crimes have been worse.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

no i believe that northern ireland should reunite with republic of ireland,i just dont get why britains past crimes always gets brought up but no other countries past crimes get as much focus,even though some of the other countries past crimes have been worse.

You cant just say right stop fighting, be happy and one, so much has gone on that I think in my lifetime anyway there will never be a united Ireland.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

no i believe that northern ireland should reunite with republic of ireland,i just dont get why britains past crimes always gets brought up but no other countries past crimes get as much focus,even though some of the other countries past crimes have been worse.

I'm pretty sure Hitler and the Nazis are brought up more than Britain's past is

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm pretty sure Hitler and the Nazis are brought up more than Britain's past is

Who?

[Livia]

Most intelligent people in England bear no ill-will toward the Irish, and the people who were involved in dividing the country are many years dead. What's more, if they were asked, most English people would say that they wished for Ireland whatever the Irish people wished for themselves. No one was listening when the IRA was blowing up civilians, but the English have forgiven them for that. Now there is a fragile peace, I think everyone wants the best for Ireland and for the peace to be permanent. The fact is that some people in Northern Ireland want to remain British, which is a problem. Beats me why we don't all try to get on.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

no one is saying you should be hated though and the reason the past was brought up after Beasts comments was because her comments had a lot to do with with the past or atleast the reason for why her comment was a bit insensitive anyway.

i do get that beasties comments were insensitive,i just dont get why some countries hate us for our past crimes? its like still hating japan for carrying on world war 2 after germany surrendered,its ridiculous as the people of both uk and japan now,were not around then (at least most of us anyway lol)

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Chewy

No, I think it's quite apt really, we basically have the same culture as an American state these days

Fast food culture, but that's about it...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm pretty sure Hitler and the Nazis are brought up more than Britain's past is

im on about that people talk more passionately and more angry about britains past than they do germanys,obviously thats just my opinion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lol, me too and no of course we don't hate Britain or the English, I'm fully aware nobody in Britain now is responsible for what happened back then, like I said it's just when English people make comments like Beasts it is annoying but then she didn't seem to fully know our history either. You have to remember the history we learn in school is probably a whole lot different to what you learn in the UK.

Yeah I can see why you were probably a bit frustrated, I dont know that much about Irish history but I can see why you wouldnt want to rejoin the UK

Originally Posted by jedward fever

no i believe that northern ireland should reunite with republic of ireland,i just dont get why britains past crimes always gets brought up but no other countries past crimes get as much focus,even though some of the other countries past crimes have been worse.

Dont be ridiculous, WWII atrocities get far more attention than British ones do