[lostalex]

Of course it does. How arrogant are humans to even ask the question?

Why are people so ****ing egotistical. Is it because of evolution? Maybe the only reason we have evolved as a species is because we are so egotistical and selfish.

It makes me ashamed to be a human.


what do you think?

[Liam-]

I think you need a hug.

But to answer the question, it's a theoretical question, not an arrogant of selfish one.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I think you need a hug.

But to answer the question, it's a theoretical question, not an arrogant of selfish one.

I would never refuse a hug, bro

But you are wrong, obviously a tree falling makes the same sound whether or not a human is there to witness it/hear it. the question is stupid and arrogant. People are arrogant stupid assholes. just like people believing that that god is looking out for them, and their religion will protect them for bad things. it's ****ing stupid./

[MTVN]

The magazine Scientific American corroborated the technical aspect of this question, while leaving out the philosophic side, a year later when they asked the question slightly reworded, "If a tree were to fall on an uninhabited island, would there be any sound?" And gave a more technical answer, "Sound is vibration, transmitted to our senses through the mechanism of the ear, and recognized as sound only at our nerve centers. The falling of the tree or any other disturbance will produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tr...ls_in_a_forest

[Niamh.]

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The magazine Scientific American corroborated the technical aspect of this question, while leaving out the philosophic side, a year later when they asked the question slightly reworded, "If a tree were to fall on an uninhabited island, would there be any sound?" And gave a more technical answer, "Sound is vibration, transmitted to our senses through the mechanism of the ear, and recognized as sound only at our nerve centers. The falling of the tree or any other disturbance will produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tr...ls_in_a_forest

eggsactly. a tree falls in exactly tyne same way and creates the same sound(sounds is just vibrations in air). it has nothing todo with anyone being there not hear it. the same vibrations of air are created.

Sound is wave forms in air. those vibrations don't require anyone to hear them. they are simple wave forms, natural physical reactions of air disturbed. they exist, period.

hence my point, the idea that sound only exists if a human hears it, is ****ing arrogant and dumb.

[Glenn.]

Did you wake up angry today or something?

[Livia]

I think it's just philosophers who think about stuff like this. But with a degree like philosophy, they have plenty of time to ponder this stuff, not being encumbered by work commitments.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it's just philosophers who think about stuff like this. But with a degree like philosophy, they have plenty of time to ponder this stuff, not being encumbered by work commitments.

very interesting observation, now if you would, please comment on the topic of this thread, my love.

[kirklancaster]

Never mind. Can't be bothered.

[Cal.]

Ofc it makes sound

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Never mind. Can't be bothered.

quitter.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

quitter.

yep.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Its not even a question

as the op says humans (due partly to religion) think they are far more important than they are

Do you know how long Dragion flies have been on earth for compared to us monkey brains?


300,000,000 years for Dragonflies

200,000 years for humans

[Liam-]

I personally think the question is an earlier form of 'would you have done that if i wasn't here?' Nobody knows what happens when you're not there, to be able to directly establish if something happens, you have to be there to recognise it.

But in general scientific terms, sound is defined by 'vibrations that travel through the air or another medium and can be heard when they reach a person's or animal's ear'

So if we look at it as purely waves through the air that are only sound when it reaches and reacts to someone or somethings ear drum, taking the ear out of the equation, is it still a sound? Could nearby animals hear it? probably, but to us, not being there, it is technically not a sound because it hasn't got a receptor in order for it to become a sound.

So technically speaking, yes, a tree does make a sound when falling because somewhere an animal or a person would hear it, but if nothing hears it.. then it isn't a sound, just mere waves travelling through the air.

[Josy]

No.

Does anyone care?

[JoshBB]

Of course it does, the sound waves still radiate but they just don't reach our ears. That doesn't mean they don't make a sound.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

very interesting observation, now if you would, please comment on the topic of this thread, my love.

I did. Excuse me Alex, I thought you would have understood my point. Let me break it down: Yes the tree makes a noise if it's felled and there's no one there to hear it, to suggest it might not is philosophical bullsh1t.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I did. Excuse me Alex, I thought you would have understood my point. Let me break it down: Yes the tree makes a noise if it's felled and there's no one there to hear it, to suggest it might not is philosophical bullsh1t.

So you agree with me. you always have to make things to complicated.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

No.

Does anyone care?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So you agree with me.

Yes. I thought you'd have got that from my first post!