[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The thing that saves the most lives is counter intelligence and the information that, presumably, could have been gotten from Bin Laden - a supposed head of the snake - would have been worth infinitely more than one dead terrorist.

That's somewhere we'll always differ thoufacing gh Kirk. I'd rather live and die hearing the truth than be safer in ignorance.

I do not hold with being ignorant T.S. - not in any way. I absorb as much knowledge as I can, about all subjects.

However, I was not the ones with Bin Laden that night in a terrorist-friendly country, faced with potentially overwhelming odds and the job of capturing the world's No. 1 Murdering Terrorist at the time.

I do not know - no more than you or anyone else does - exactly what happened that night.

Perhaps Bin Laden went for a gun. Perhaps he went to scratch his dick. I don't know and I do not care.

I PRESUME that the US Military who were there WOULD have taken him alive IF they had the choice, but with spilt second decisions to make, if the ONLY resort was to kill him then I'm happy to leave it at that.

If someone could hold up Jihadi John's dead body somewhere in the world, I would not care either if they had shot him with a whaling harpoon gun while was sitting on the toilet or in the back while was running away.

Personally, I hope that if the day comes when Jihadi John gets his, that he is shot straight between the eyes while he is knelt, unharmed, and begging for his miserable life.

But, hey ho - that's me.

[Tom4784]

I'm loving this desperation from the media to smear Corbyn in any way possible. Their fear is real.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not hold with being ignorant T.S. - not in any way. I absorbe as much knowledge as I can, about all subjects.

However, I was not the ones with Bin Laden that night in a terrorist-friendly country, faced with potentially overwhelming odds and the job of capturing the world's No. 1 Murdering Terrorist at the time.

I do not know - no more than you or anyone else does - exactly what happened that night.

Perhaps Bin Laden went for a gun. Perhaps he went to scratch his dick. I don't know and I do not care.

I PRESUME that the US Military who were there WOULD have taken him alive IF they had the choice, but with spilt second decisions to make, if the ONLY resort was to kill him then I'm happy to leave it at that.

If someone could hold up Jihadi John's dead body somewhere in the world, I would not care either if they had shot him with a whaling harpoon gun while was sitting on the toilet or in the back while was running away.

Personally, I hope that if the day comes when Jihadi John gets his, that he is shot straight between the eyes while he is knelt, unharmed, and begging for his miserable life.

But, hey ho - that's me.

And the reasoning for dumping the body? You're happy to buy into that, too? I don't know exactly what happened there that night either, obviously, but the only reason I can think of for the swift and secretive disposal of the body is that they don't want anyone to know how it went down. That bothers me. You're happy to accept it at face value "for the greater good". That's fine, but in my opinion, it's willful ignorance.

As for how I know that it's not all what it seems to be at face value? That one's easy. Simply nothing EVER is. Never. Not in interactions between individuals, not in politics, and certainly not in war.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm loving this desperation from the media to smear Corbyn in any way possible. Their fear is real.

The only desperation I discern is from Corbyn and his PR Machine trying to defend his indefensible position - an increasingly precarious position at that.


The truth is out there Mulder - Read it and weep.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...sponsible.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And the reasoning for dumping the body? You're happy to buy into that, too? I don't know exactly what happened there that night either, obviously, but the only reason I can think of for the swift and secretive disposal of the body is that they don't want anyone to know how it went down. That bothers me. You're happy to accept it at face value "for the greater good". That's fine, but in my opinion, it's willful ignorance.

As for how I know that it's not all what it seems to be at face value? That one's easy. Simply nothing EVER is. Never. Not in interactions between individuals, not in politics, and certainly not in war.

Yep - I agree with you, so with so many other 'lies' and 'mysteries' to try to fathom, why the war dance over a piece of scum killer like Bin Laden?

I have my own mystery concerning this:

Our local council use to empty my bins EVERY week - now, despite ever greater increases in Council Tax, they only empty them every 4 weeks - and that leaves my Bin not only Laden, but over laden. It's a mystery.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The only desperation I discern is from Corbyn and his PR Machine trying to defend his indefensible position - an increasingly precarious position at that.


The truth is out there Mulder - Read it and weep.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...sponsible.html

How exactly is it indefensible?

A lot of people think that 9/11 was an inside job, I don't personally believe that's the case but I believe that it could be possible so I'm not gonna crucify someone for believing it.

He's right on the money when it comes to his comments about Bin Laden's assassination, it was dumb and overly emotional and we could have eradicated Al Quaeda using intel we could have gained from a living and incarcerated Bin Ladin. Killing him like they did just meant that the cat and mouse game began anew.

There is a lot to be learned from it all.

[Northern Monkey]

Personally i hope those SEALS tortured the **** out of Bin Laden before they killed him.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Personally i hope those SEALS tortured the **** out of Bin Laden before they killed him.

Me too.

[the truth]

agree with all the cynicism about the dumping of bin ladens body.....it stinks ...the west spent billions, a decade of time, thousands of lives were lost and we didn't even get to witness a body? it stinks and I don't believe a word of it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Well, at least he didn't **** a dead pig in the mouth.

Well we don't actually know that for sure,do we

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm loving this desperation from the media to smear Corbyn in any way possible. Their fear is real.

A true anti-establishment politician.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

agree with all the cynicism about the dumping of bin ladens body.....it stinks ...the west spent billions, a decade of time, thousands of lives were lost and we didn't even get to witness a body? it stinks and I don't believe a word of it

Exactly, it doesn't make sense at all, so much so that part of me DOES believe the theory that he was already dead.

That is, Bin Laden died of natural causes before he was found... Something which wouldn't sit well with the American public (as it would mean he got away with his supposed mass murder and died comfortably in his bed) and so they invented a scenario where they "found him" but he was killed during the raid and they then disposed of the "wrapped up" body before anyone could see it and said "yaaay we got him!".

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, it doesn't make sense at all, so much so that part of me DOES believe the theory that he was already dead.

That is, Bin Laden died of natural causes before he was found... Something which wouldn't sit well with the American public (as it would mean he got away with his supposed mass murder and died comfortably in his bed) and so they invented a scenario where they "found him" but he was killed during the raid and they then disposed of the "wrapped up" body before anyone could see it and said "yaaay we got him!".

I also actually believe that is a possibility too.Only a possibility though.
I am more inclined to believe they got him and were'nt very 'humane' with him and were'nt relishing the outcome of the autopsy.If that is the case i have no sympathy for him.It is one of Obama's great achievements or is it?
The American people needed a feeling of justice regarding 9/11 and it did nothing but good for Obama.

[kirklancaster]

But, I mean, really - Who cares?

[smudgie]

Perhaps they shot him in case he had a bomb strapped to him, take no chances.
Then feed him to the fish so he has no grave to be worshipped at.
Whatever way he died, Good riddance.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Perhaps they shot him in case he had a bomb Then feed him to the fish so he has no grave to be worshipped at.
Whatever way he died, Good riddance.

In admiration, I've just penned this quickie for you Smudgie:

"When tha thinks all but thee's insane
and thar at thi own wit's end,
Up pops Smudgie - another Yorkshire Brain,
Who talks same Yorkshire sense. "

Thank you Smudgie.

And **** Bin Laden.

[Livia]

Whether he said this or not is just a side issue. Some of his documented serious opinions and intentions are far more left field... I'm sure there will be more threads as his unworkable ideology goes on...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whether he said this or not is just a side issue. Some of his documented serious opinions and intentions are far more left field... I'm sure there will be more threads as his unworkable ideology goes on...

You are correct - This thread has been deflected away from nutjob Corbyn - a live threat to the UK - onto DustBin Laden - a dead ex-threat to the UK.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are correct - This thread has been deflected away from nutjob Corbyn - a live threat to the UK - onto DustBin Laden - a dead ex-threat to the UK.

Ahhh yes, Bin Laden. No expensive trial, no grave for his followers to make into a shrine. Works for me.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ahhh yes, Bin Laden. No expensive trial, no grave for his followers to make into a shrine. Works for me.

And no live prisoner that his demented followers can take hostages for in exchange for his release. Good job done all round Liv.

[DemolitionRed]

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

Do you mean the corroborated truth from the Daily Mail?

These stories are edited to reflect an agenda and depending on which paper you read and depending on whether you have a capitalist or socialist view on politics, then these stories will reflect or oppose your opinions. Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective.

Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point.

As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines. Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine.

Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate.

[Mitchell]

If Corbyn thinks he will be elected in 2020...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

If Corbyn thinks he will be elected in 2020...

I hope he is. A much better prospect than another four hellish years under a bunch of pig ****ers.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

Do you mean the corroborated truth from the Daily Mail?

These stories are edited to reflect an agenda and depending on which paper you read and depending on whether you have a capitalist or socialist view on politics, then these stories will reflect or oppose your opinions. Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective.

Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point.

As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines. Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine.

Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate.

You are very wise.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But if he was who he supposedly was, and they had every chance to take him alive (which they did), then he would potentially have been an absolute goldmine of anti-terrorist intelligence? Yet he was "oops" killed in, supposedly, some sort of trigger-happy raid where he may or may not have been holding a potato gun.

And then the body was "disposed of" very quickly, in questionable circumstances, with near nonsensical excuses.

It just doesn't make any sense. The story doesn't add up, at all. What's the real reason for the body dump? I'm not quite on board with the idea that it wasn't him (some people suggest it was all PR and he had actually randomly died months earlier) but my personal suspicion is that forensic examination of the body wouldn't have matched up with the story that was given about how he was killed. For example, if he was shot from behind while running away, or if he was already tied up and then executed.

They did everything in keeping with Islamic law; not providing Islamic extremists ammunition to kill troops. It's the same reason why Hitler's bunker's location is also kept a secret by the German government. Everything was done correctly. Yes, it fuels conspiracy theories, but conspiracy theorists will always come up with something no matter what.