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Kizzy · 25-11-2016, 06:11 AM

When he's white and right wing?

Should Thomas Mair be considered a terrorist?

Nearly all other papers put a smiling picture of the Labour MP and mother of two young children on their front page on the day her killer received a full life sentence – even if they led their news coverage on the economy.

So what happened at the Mail? And what does it say about that paper’s view of – and impact on – the UK’s political life that the verdict on the first murder of a sitting MP for 26 years can be relegated so far inside its pages?

The story about Mair’s sentence came after a full 17 pages welcoming the verdict of an “upbeat chancellor” confounding those dastardly “remain doom-mongers”. In the pages that followed this autumn statement coverage came news reports about “laughing migrants”, photos of a bikini-clad model taking a shower and the headline news that Santa is not real. They also featured a full-page column asking why leftwing comics laugh at the Queen.

It is surely worth asking whether the threat from far-right extremist terrorists is taken seriously by the British press
When today’s Mail finally gets to the verdict on Mair, the main headline points out that he “wanted to kill his own mother”, while the secondary story asks: “Did neo-Nazi murder Jo over fear he’d lose council house he grew up in?”

Most newspapers (certainly not just the Guardian) cited the judge’s own verdict that Mair killed her to advance his violent white supremacist ideology rather than because he “suspected the MP might not have helped him” to fight the council’s bid to move him.

The introduction to the Mail piece – which states that Mair “may have murdered MP Jo Cox because he feared losing his home of 40 years to an immigrant family” – prompted law professor James Chalmers to tweet “turns out there really is nothing the Daily Mail can’t blame on immigrants”.

Would you consider this man a terrorist and what do you make of the mails attempted justification?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rer-front-page

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jo-cox-murder

Withano · 25-11-2016, 06:33 AM

Theyre ****ing despicable.

Cherie · 25-11-2016, 06:39 AM

Of course he is a terrorist, although if the boot was on the other foot he might be mentally ill

he introduction to the Mail piece – which states that Mair “may have murdered MP Jo Cox because he feared losing his home of 40 years to an immigrant family” – prompted law professor James Chalmers to tweet “turns out there really is nothing the Daily Mail can’t blame on immigrants”.

That's pretty low, under what circumstances would he lose his home

Kizzy · 25-11-2016, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Of course he is a terrorist, although if the boot was on the other foot he might be mentally ill

he introduction to the Mail piece – which states that Mair “may have murdered MP Jo Cox because he feared losing his home of 40 years to an immigrant family” – prompted law professor James Chalmers to tweet “turns out there really is nothing the Daily Mail can’t blame on immigrants”.

That's pretty low, under what circumstances would he lose his home

If the boot were on the other foot?... Sorry I don't follow :/

Cherie · 25-11-2016, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

If the boot were on the other foot?... Sorry I don't follow :/

Stabbing attacks in London recently have been put down to mental illness or that the victim was in a scummy part of London?

Kizzy · 25-11-2016, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Stabbing attacks in London recently have been put down to mental illness or that the victim was in a scummy part of London?

Did the attacker make any reference to any organisation?

Crimson Dynamo · 25-11-2016, 07:56 AM

All newspapers pander to their readers and if they think a story wont sell papers it will not go on the the front page, dont for a minute kid yourself that this is somehow a "thing" just for right leaning print.

Kizzy · 25-11-2016, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All newspapers pander to their readers and if they think a story wont sell papers it will not go on the the front page, dont for a minute kid yourself that this is somehow a "thing" just for right leaning print.

So what does this say about mail readers in your opinion?

Crimson Dynamo · 25-11-2016, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what does this say about mail readers in your opinion?

They are right wing but I think we knew that in the grand scheme of things.

kirklancaster · 25-11-2016, 08:30 AM

Of course he is a 'terrorist' because his evil crime struck terror into everyone that was present when he murdered poor Jo Cox, but until further information comes to light which proves that he was linked to any 'accepted' Terrorist Organisation, then he remains purely just an evil, deranged killer acting alone.

If he was 'Far Right' in his politics, then that may partly explain - but NOT excuse - his motives.

As for The Mail, I do not buy it, and cannot explain their methodology.

Kizzy · 25-11-2016, 09:38 AM

Links to the political right?

Mair had affiliations to an organisation called the Springbok Club and is described as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of S.A. Patriot“, the magazine of Springbok, now independent. The motto of the Patriotic Forum (an umbrella grouping of patriotic organisations which the Springbok Club is part of) is “Out of Europe and into the World”. Basically, Springbok is a British-based pro-white supremacist, South African organisation. In 1998, UKIP’s Neil Hamilton spoke at the Springbok Club.

According to the World Socialist Web Site, Springbok has associations with the Swinton Circle, which was set up as a Conservative Party fringe group in the 1960s by backers of Tory right-wing xenophobe Enoch Powell. Swinton Circle’s publication, Tough Talking from the Right, held a special readers’ meeting and buffet in the City of London, where the guest speaker was UKIP (now interim) leader Nigel Farage.

Swinton is anti-Europe, but has been involved with the far-right Pegida movement and has attended demonstrations and meetings with other far-right organisations. In February 2016, the Swinton Circle was contacted by Pegida UK and asked to support its ‘Silent Walk‘ in Birmingham, to protest against ‘Islamisation’ throughout Europe.

In 2014, Liam Fox (now a Conservative government cabinet minister) and Owen Paterson MP (Conservative) addressed separate meetings of the Swinton Circle.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/11/24/t...establishment/

Crimson Dynamo · 25-11-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Links to the political right?

Mair had affiliations to an organisation called the Springbok Club and is described as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of S.A. Patriot“, the magazine of Springbok, now independent. The motto of the Patriotic Forum (an umbrella grouping of patriotic organisations which the Springbok Club is part of) is “Out of Europe and into the World”. Basically, Springbok is a British-based pro-white supremacist, South African organisation. In 1998, UKIP’s Neil Hamilton spoke at the Springbok Club.

According to the World Socialist Web Site, Springbok has associations with the Swinton Circle, which was set up as a Conservative Party fringe group in the 1960s by backers of Tory right-wing xenophobe Enoch Powell. Swinton Circle’s publication, Tough Talking from the Right, held a special readers’ meeting and buffet in the City of London, where the guest speaker was UKIP (now interim) leader Nigel Farage.

Swinton is anti-Europe, but has been involved with the far-right Pegida movement and has attended demonstrations and meetings with other far-right organisations. In February 2016, the Swinton Circle was contacted by Pegida UK and asked to support its ‘Silent Walk‘ in Birmingham, to protest against ‘Islamisation’ throughout Europe.

In 2014, Liam Fox (now a Conservative government cabinet minister) and Owen Paterson MP (Conservative) addressed separate meetings of the Swinton Circle.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/11/24/t...establishment/

did he not just have like a 30 year old pamphlet from this org. To me this guy was a nutjob with no pals and some dodgy old far right stuff lying about but he probably had books on carpentry and train spotting too.

kirklancaster · 25-11-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

did he not just have like a 30 year old pamphlet from this org. To me this guy was a nutjob with no pals and some dodgy old far right stuff lying about but he probably had books on carpentry and train spotting too.

Absolutely LT. And is that 'Organisation' outlawed or a recognized 'Terror Group'? What did they last blow up or who did they last murder in cold blood?

I am a past member of 'The Guild Of Master Craftsmen' and 'The Federation of Master Builders' so I better destroy all my related files.

MTVN · 25-11-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

did he not just have like a 30 year old pamphlet from this org. To me this guy was a nutjob with no pals and some dodgy old far right stuff lying about but he probably had books on carpentry and train spotting too.

Nah he had a pretty extensive set of far-right literature. There's letters dating back years he sent into that South African mag, there's copies of lots of book orders for far-right books that he made pre-internet and he had loads of far-right memorabilia. These pics are from the BBC profile of him:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38071894

It does look like he was a loner who was never a part of any far-right organisation but he did have very deeply entrenched views which he had obviously nourished for decades

jaxie · 25-11-2016, 10:02 AM

A terrorist is a person who frightens or terrorises others. I don't think his race or affiliates come into it, he seems to fit the bill. I think what he did was terrifying.

Jake. · 25-11-2016, 10:25 AM

The mail really are disgusting

Niamh. · 25-11-2016, 10:27 AM

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The mail really are disgusting

Making excuses for him, is pretty low

arista · 25-11-2016, 02:24 PM

"Should Thomas Mair be considered a terrorist?"

Yes , Kizzy
he is a NAZI

Northern Monkey · 25-11-2016, 02:56 PM

If his aims were political then by the dictionary definition he's a terrorist.I think the fact that he killed an MP points to terrorism if he indeed targeted her and it wasn't just random.I'd also say he must've been a nutter aswell.So i think he could be described as a 'terrorist nutjob'

Tom4784 · 25-11-2016, 03:20 PM

The Mail being a backwards pile of disgusting wank is nothing new.

They obviously don't believe that someone who isn't a Muslim can be a terrorist because it 'muddles' the narrative they prefer to **** out. It obviously believes it's target audience is more comfortable being scared of Arabs then it is of white people who aren't teenagers and/or single mothers.

The fact that they went as far as to attempt to defend him is crazy. To ignore the fact that other kinds of extremism exists is also beyond ridiculous. The man is a terrorist and should be treated as such. The fact is that the DM's coverage would have been way different if the terrorist wasn't white.

Cherie · 25-11-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Mail being a backwards pile of disgusting wank is nothing new.

They obviously don't believe that someone who isn't a Muslim can be a terrorist because it 'muddles' the narrative they prefer to **** out. It obviously believes it's target audience is more comfortable being scared of Arabs then it is of white people who aren't teenagers and/or single mothers.

The fact that they went as far as to attempt to defend him is crazy. To ignore the fact that other kinds of extremism exists is also beyond ridiculous. The man is a terrorist and should be treated as such. The fact is that the DM's coverage would have been way different if the terrorist wasn't white.

The Mail has no issue in casting every Irish person as a terrorist back in the day, Muslims are the new Irish in Britain, it sells newspapers, it's not about skin colour