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BB18 Big Brother 18 UK was shown on Channel 5 in June and July 2017, and was won by Isabelle with Raph second. Discuss the series here.
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Old 13-06-2017, 05:01 AM #1
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I just don't get it! He has been nothing but nice to him, Ms yet this tool is always hostile to him. I didn't notice until last night show. I think he was trying to anger Raph, so I'm glad he didn't take the bait.
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He's a bitter self-hating closet case, it's quite sad. The way he reacted to jokingly being accused of wearing makeup was very telling.
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I think Joe likes to be top dog, he has gone in to be the father figure, Raph and Arthur didnt let themselves be influenced by him, he probably hates that Raph didn't join in the Arthur bashing, as he probably knows now that Arthur has left that it went to far and it mightn't look good from a public PoV. Also I think he likes to be complimented and adored and maybe some of the HMs are not bothering to feed his ego
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It seems to be because he doesn't argue (note: "not mucking in"). I've met people like Joe and they just 'dont get' people who are more reserved and like to talk meaningfully rather than shout or have very short/dumb conversations, or 'banter' if you like. Joe mentioning Raph's intelligence confirms this.

They are very different people and given Raph is in the minority in the house he's a very easy target to pick.

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I don't know. But Raph doesn't seem to like him either.
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It's pretty obvious he's threatened by Raph's extensive knowledge of Big Brother and could be partly down to Raph's VT saying he doesn't care about anyone and he will manipulate anyone he can to win - Tom will have told Joe about it.

I don't see the issue really, if somebody said the things Raph did going in I think anyone would be justified in being wary
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He's jealous that Raph is the alpha male in the house
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I just don't get it! He has been nothing but nice to him, Ms yet this tool is always hostile to him. I didn't notice until last night show. I think he was trying to anger Raph, so I'm glad he didn't take the bait.
First impressions count and he hasn't liked him since day one. People don't have to like each other. The fact they are in a game competing against each other focusses it even more. If I was Raph, I wouldn't care less if I was liked by Joe or not
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they obviously both have issues with each other. not just Joe having issues with him. so neither should have been that bothered by using their choice of punishments on each other.
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It's pretty obvious he's threatened by Raph's extensive knowledge of Big Brother and could be partly down to Raph's VT saying he doesn't care about anyone and he will manipulate anyone he can to win - Tom will have told Joe about it.

I don't see the issue really, if somebody said the things Raph did going in I think anyone would be justified in being wary
i agree & Joe is not the only that has been wary of him cause of that. if Joe didnt have the killer nomination or no killer at all & Raph was open to be nominated by the house the regular way he would have probably been one of the ones facing eviction.
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It's because of Tom planting the evil seeds about Raph to Joe about him being a gameplayer and Joe being wary as a result
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It's because of Tom planting the evil seeds about Raph to Joe about him being a gameplayer and Joe being wary as a result
I notices twat Joe was trying to me him lose his temper. Glad he kept his cool.
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Because he's intelligent? Stupid people are so much more interesting
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Nominating someone for being smart has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard
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Joe has all sorts of issues and i think he just wants to hate on someone to make himself feel better
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Joe has all sorts of issues and i think he just wants to hate on someone to make himself feel better
Seems that way, he seems kind of an angry fella
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It's pretty obvious he's threatened by Raph's extensive knowledge of Big Brother and could be partly down to Raph's VT saying he doesn't care about anyone and he will manipulate anyone he can to win - Tom will have told Joe about it.

I don't see the issue really, if somebody said the things Raph did going in I think anyone would be justified in being wary
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I don't think Joe has a problem with Raph particularly. He just feels threatened by him because you know it's a game afterall people!
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Guessing Raph and Arthur spoke more and hung out more then what we seen in the past highlight shows since Raph was called to the diary room to calm him and was the one told to pack his suitcase also backed up by the fact Arthur wants him to win, just think Joe was out for them both since day 1 and their friendship probably pissed him off even more
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I'm going off that smug popular crew fast. Joe is the worse of the lot, he's so patronising and too eager to please that group.
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Intelligent and very very boring.
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He has done more that some of the others. The sisters and Charlotte for example do nothing.
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Is this a joke, Raph is not the alpha male. You have to be trusted and liked to be the alpha male, Lotan is.
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Maybe he just doesn't like him and doesn't trust him, not everyone in there has to like Raph. Not everyone in there likes each other. Is this so hard to get over or something
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Is this a joke, Raph is not the alpha male. You have to be trusted and liked to be the alpha male, Lotan is.
It had to be a joke. Thats why I chose to ignore it!! I'd say is Lotan too.
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Maybe he just doesn't like him and doesn't trust him, not everyone in there has to like Raph. Not everyone in there likes each other. Is this so hard to get over or something
He said he was a nice guy, until Tom told him about him his VT.
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He said he was a nice guy, until Tom told him about him his VT.
So then it's sort of Raph's fault is it not? for the god awful VT?
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