[DemolitionRed]

I did the test and apparently, I'm a saint! Seriously though these tests shouldn't be taken seriously, you can have many traits similar to sociopaths without being a sociopath.

The one thing that jumped out at me Vicky, is (on the other thread) you stated, when the counselor asked you questions, you answered them ‘truthfully’. There’s two different angles to what you said. 1. Why did you need to even tell us that you were ‘truthful’? That is indeed the sort of language a sociopath would use but then 2. Sociopaths are the masters of deceit and rarely answer questions truthfully, especially about 'how they felt'. One thing every psychiatrist knows is, never trust the words of a sociopath because they are pathological liars so they can remain one step ahead of the game. If you did answer ‘truthfully’ then surely it can only because you wanted a diagnosis?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This really isn't abnormal or unusual at all, though... you can be "philosophically outraged", I suppose. There are plenty of topics where I can see, logically, that something is unjust or wrong and I can be very vocal about it, might even "seem" annoyed or angry about it online, but it's different from being ACTUALLY annoyed or outraged. I'm not losing sleep over these things or, to be frank, giving them much thought at all as soon as the conversation is over .



That wouldn't be unusual to be fair, sociopaths aren't necessarily compulsive liars... only when it's personally beneficial to lie, or disadvantageous not to.

I was remarking to the irony and anyway, I know Vicky won't be offended by that if she is a sociopath.

[parmnion]

How ****ing long does this bastarding thing take to do...oh not long very pleasent experience.

[caprimint]

Think I only answered 'yes' to about 5

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I did the test and apparently, I'm a saint! Seriously though these tests shouldn't be taken seriously, you can have many traits similar to sociopaths without being a sociopath.

The one thing that jumped out at me Vicky, is (on the other thread) you stated, when the counselor asked you questions, you answered them ‘truthfully’. There’s two different angles to what you said. 1. Why did you need to even tell us that you were ‘truthful’? That is indeed the sort of language a sociopath would use but then 2. Sociopaths are the masters of deceit and rarely answer questions truthfully, especially about 'how they felt'. One thing every psychiatrist knows is, never trust the words of a sociopath because they are pathological liars so they can remain one step ahead of the game. If you did answer ‘truthfully’ then surely it can only because you wanted a diagnosis?

Tbh I was not completely honest as in I missed out a fair bit, but could not see the point in lying totally? I don't know if that makes sense I certainly lied in court..well. I had to speak to some woman about everything and she was the one to recommend my sentence. I burst into tears instantly, told her I was so sorry, didn't know what I was doing, felt so guilty and such. She believed me obviously. Got off with basically nothing. A few months of seeing a probation officer. I guess I felt kind of comfortble with my gambling counsellor. Plus at that stage I was getting quite curious about myself, as every week she was asking how bad I felt and stuff so it was obvious I was supposed to feel bad, I gave her the answr she wanted for about 6 weeks before I told the truth.

I kind of wanted a diagnosis when I first saw the shrink because despite saying I needed to see someone as I felt depressed and such my aim was to find out if it was true or if my counsellor was taking ****e.. I have actually lied to her about stuff but...she seems to know when I am lying? Its very strange as most people don't but most times she does pick up on it, not always, but most of the time. So now, she is literally the only person that I do completely tell the truth to..on the whole. Online I find it fairly easy to tell the truth and be blunt though, for some reason. In real life I lie about stupid things that don't need to be lied about, just for the sake of it. I will twist stories just to see the drama then if it comes back to me I will blame someone else, and be more convincing than them. I have actually tried to stop, and can manage it for a little while but I always go back. Despite all of this, I still have friends. I can be nice when I want to be.

[caprimint]

Vicky

Yeah based off of your online personality I'd say you're one of the most honest people on this forum

[LeatherTrumpet]

I Doubt A genuine psychopath would ever use a forum unless it was for a specific purpose to benefit them like getting money from someone

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

I Doubt A genuine psychopath would ever use a forum unless it was for a specific purpose to benefit them like getting money from someone

THE REAL STORY BEHIND TRUTH'S BAN REVEALED : He started asking questions about that £20,000 Vicky "borrowed".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Im not a fan of the PCL-R, oversimplifies something so huge..

This website will calculate your score for you though
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school...le=hare-pclr_2

You got: NORMAL

You scored as a normal member of society on the PCL-R test. You are goal oriented and enjoy bettering yourself. Unlike a psycopath, you feel emotions normally and care about others. You are not likely to be a danger to yourself or others.


Vicky you don't seem like that to me. While I was reading through the questions though a person I know in r/l came to mind that I would have said almost every question was a yes to

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

You got: NORMAL

You scored as a normal member of society on the PCL-R test. You are goal oriented and enjoy bettering yourself. Unlike a psycopath, you feel emotions normally and care about others. You are not likely to be a danger to yourself or others.


Vicky you don't seem like that to me. While I was reading through the questions though a person I know in r/l came to mind that I would have said almost every question was a yes to

really..?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

really..?

The quiz said so so it must be true

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

THE REAL STORY BEHIND TRUTH'S BAN REVEALED : He started asking questions about that £20,000 Vicky "borrowed".

[LeatherTrumpet]

You got: MODERATE

You scored a little high but are not a psycopath by any means. Many non-psycopathic criminal offenders score high in this range. You still feel emotions normally, just keep in mind that there are consequences for your actions and remember to think about the way other people feel.

[LeatherTrumpet]

surely any self respecting psychopath would know who to score low on that test anyroad?

[bitontheslide]

a proper psycho wouldn't score themselves accurately anyway, that's one of the traits of being afflicted

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a proper psycho wouldn't score themselves accurately anyway, that's one of the traits of being afflicted

Yeah also I don't think they would worry about whether they are one either, which is why I think Vicky isn't

[Vicky.]

I wouldn't say I was a psychopath no. I do think I am a sociopath though, having done a lot of reading since this 'test'. I thought they were different things, then after this I thought that they were the same thing, but have now discovered that they actually are different things. I am not violent...as such. I can be when I need to be, but I am not a violent person overall. However I would actually think nothing of ruining someones life to better my own. I know I could be (and have been) very manipulative to get my own way. I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all. I lie constantly in real life. I wonder if its different on a forum as its..anonymous? I know I have some of you on facebook but its only a few, and I am unlikely to ever meet any of you really Its all really weird to me to be honest. I was gobsmacked when sociopath was first mentioned to me by a professional person as I genuinely did think that everyone went OTT in their showing of emotions and such just to make themselves look good..thought that I was the 'normal' one for not doing that tbh. I didn't know that its not common to manipulate without any thought for the people it would affect. And so on. My understanding of sociopath before that day was someone who was utterly evil. Which I wouldn't say I am. Selfish yes, very. But not evil. Or I don't think so anyway but I am judging myself rather than other people who have been on the receiving end of my behavior I guess

So yeah, seems despite having a criminal history, one of the main traits of psychopathy is violence. I don't really have this, so sociopath would fit better. And its this that the professionals have mentioned. So that makes sense. Was just a bit of a shock to score so high on a psychopath test tbh. But again, makes sense when there is so much crossover between the two.

[Toy Soldier]

You got: QUALIFIED FOR DIAGNOSIS OF PSYCOPATHY

[b]You scored high on this test and may actually be a psycopath. You do not feel emotions like the average person does and do not generally think out the consequences for your actions. Many people who score this high are in correctional facilities.[/i]


Well **** .

I would take this test with a pinch of salt, though, because I'm fairly certain that I am not actually a psychopath, and I can't imagine many actual clinical psychologists using this very basic test to make a diagnosis . I pretty much know the reasons that this tests "thinks I'm a psychopath and I could go into them in A LOT of detail...

The shortish version: Aged under 12 I would have been diagnosed as "intellectually high-functioning" autistic in a snap by any pediatrician, but a combination of factors (plus, thanks to being a clever kipper ) meant that in my early to mid teens I quickly learned to be "fake neurotypical" and a degree of social extroversion, and by late teens it had become second nature to be "externally normal" whilst internally suppressing the kid who couldn't make eye contact and didn't understand socialising. The result is that 99% of my social interactions outside of close friends and family are completely faked and yet at the same time, at this point, completely second nature.

So I basically score high on anything that involves "lying", superficial charm, shallow external emotional response, manipulativeness, lacking remorse etc. because of that affected persona... but at the same time because the li'l kid is still hidden in there somewhere, I score high on childhood behavioural issues, stimulation / sensory seeking, inability to take responsibility for actions, impulsivity and being totally honest, often "parasitic lifestyle", these days not so much financially but certainly still emotionally. And tbqfh if my wife continues on the trajectory she's on at the moment and becomes a high earner I would happily not work... I would say that I understand the practical need to work to survive and I'm good at whatever I'm doing, but when it comes down to it I actually have pretty much zero work ethic, and that's evident from my life before having kids (Good results at school simply because I pick things up easily; did not work a jot for any of those grades. Have started THREE University degrees and haven't completed any.)

On top of that (and I'm just gna fkn say it I'm attractive and intelligent so have extremely high - some might say inflated - self image and self importance.



...sooo ANYWAY, what I'm getting at, is that there is an explainable combination of actually quite separate reasons that I score highly on most of the questions on that quiz... none of which have anything to do with clinical psychopathy. The furthest I would go is to say that I might have some quite minor sociopathy but, in all honesty, I don't think that's particularly rare and the vast majority of people over-emphasize their empathic response to things because of social convention. I believe these days they call it "virtue signalling" ... but it's actually just human nature.

[Niamh.]

Vicky
I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Vicky
I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

Niamh, going to private message you here as the answer to this is not really suitable for the forum, theres honesty, and then theres honesty :S

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Niamh, going to private message you here as the answer to this is not really suitable for the forum, theres honesty, and then theres honesty :S

OK

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

yeah maybe so although neither have ever been in trouble with the law, one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened

Me when Pauline Fowler in EastEnder's husband whacked her over the head with the crystal fruit bowl

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't say I was a psychopath no. I do think I am a sociopath though, having done a lot of reading since this 'test'. I thought they were different things, then after this I thought that they were the same thing, but have now discovered that they actually are different things. I am not violent...as such. I can be when I need to be, but I am not a violent person overall. However I would actually think nothing of ruining someones life to better my own. I know I could be (and have been) very manipulative to get my own way. I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all. I lie constantly in real life. I wonder if its different on a forum as its..anonymous? I know I have some of you on facebook but its only a few, and I am unlikely to ever meet any of you really Its all really weird to me to be honest. I was gobsmacked when sociopath was first mentioned to me by a professional person as I genuinely did think that everyone went OTT in their showing of emotions and such just to make themselves look good..thought that I was the 'normal' one for not doing that tbh. I didn't know that its not common to manipulate without any thought for the people it would affect. And so on. My understanding of sociopath before that day was someone who was utterly evil. Which I wouldn't say I am. Selfish yes, very. But not evil. Or I don't think so anyway but I am judging myself rather than other people who have been on the receiving end of my behavior I guess

So yeah, seems despite having a criminal history, one of the main traits of psychopathy is violence. I don't really have this, so sociopath would fit better. And its this that the professionals have mentioned. So that makes sense. Was just a bit of a shock to score so high on a psychopath test tbh. But again, makes sense when there is so much crossover between the two.

Yes I am a bit similar and have been called a sociopath twice by 2 different people, i was a bit criminal when i was younger but not particularly violent (i did chase after 2 guys with a kitchen knife intent on stabbing them once thankfully it was in the snow and i did not catch them) and I have done the odd crazy thing that endangered my life but who hasnt.

och everything has a bloody name now

even kids being shy has a fancy name now