[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ridiculous to make an issue of an error, yes people have a choice but come on these people are professionals!
In an emergency situation or in childbirth for instance does anyone care who treats them?... No, of course not they're there to do a job.

What a horrible prejudiced non story

It’s no more prejudiced than the other side of the coin, where everyone is supposed to feel the same way and if they don’t they should put up and shut up.

Thankfully people have their own minds and won’t be dictated to by the far-left.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s no more prejudiced than the other side of the coin, where everyone is supposed to feel the same way and if they don’t they should put up and shut up.

Thankfully people have their own minds and won’t be dictated to by the far-left.

See... this proves my point from another thread, you have no counter to my point so you make ambiguous references to the other side of the coin, what is 'the other side'?

There was no issue, it was a clerical error that has been shown, so why are you suggesting anything has been dictated by the far left?
I agree that peoples wishes should be adhered to where possible and if she had to forgo her treatment that day then that is what must happen.

What is your solution to the emergency situation carry a DNR note in your pocket in case you are injured and the only medical professional available is transgender?...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if i dont class myself as any sex?

Then why would you care either way what sex the doctor is?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then why would you care either way what sex the doctor is?

I wouldnt, but i would like the choice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

See... this proves my point from another thread, you have no counter to my point so you make ambiguous references to the other side of the coin, what is 'the other side'?

There was no issue, it was a clerical error that has been shown, so why are you suggesting anything has been dictated by the far left?
I agree that peoples wishes should be adhered to where possible and if she had to forgo her treatment that day then that is what must happen.

What is your solution to the emergency situation carry a DNR note in your pocket in case you are injured and the only medical professional available is transgender?...

Clearly emergency treatment is different but if women don’t want male nurses to carry out routine internal examinations that is their right. And there was an error for her which caused her some distress.

As for the clerical error that may or may not be true but quite a coincidence given current discussions in government about giving any man the right to declare himself female. The nurses response to the patient’s concerns was also more political than that of professional understanding.

[Withano]

As if you're still angry about an accident.

[parmnion]

Its all a bit to posh to push.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have also had a cancer scare in the past and I did care. Women tend to be more private that way. You see it in simple things like changing rooms where men nearly always walk around naked in friont of each other. Women not so much. Men pee in front of each other something women never do. Whether you want to see it or admit it or not there are distinct differences between men and women this way.

Does everyone really have to feel like you to have their feelings and opinions validated?

Stereotypes will get you nowhere.

Your last point makes no real sense, I assume you just wanted to score points but didn't really think what you wrote through? Because I never said anywhere that only people who think like me have valid opinions, that's definitely more of an attitude you tend to display.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Let’s clarify what I actually said shall we, not your interpretation. I did not say trans people were more likely to sexually abuse someone - I said that if any man can simply claim to feel like a woman and is therefore a woman and can have easier access to women and girls, such a policy will be taken advantage of by some men and the real creeps will come out of the woodwork with such an opportunity presented to them.

Aren’t most rapes and other sexual attacks mainly opportunistic in nature.

I’m so reassured that a young guy on an internet site says it will never happen.

What you said was sensationalist and driven by ignorance and fear. This is what you said.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And what’s frightening, particularly with all the allegations of male assaults on women and young girls of late, is that there are a lot of Savills out there. Any man could just claim to feel like a woman and gain access to female changing rooms and other areas and vulnerable women such as young girls. Commonsense has flown the coup with complete abandonment.

You basically did the trans equivalent of saying 'Gay marriage? What next? Making bestiality and paedophilia legal?' By making what would be an exceptionally rare (and currently impossible situation) seem commonplace, you are demonising trans people by comparing them to peadophiles by making out that they could just be faking it to molest people. You can't self certify yourself as a trans person at the moment and the law doesn't really cover someone who isn't certified. Any old peado can't just walk into a doctor's office and say 'I'm trans, now let me abuse people'. That's just incredibly so far removed from reality. Any kind of trans certification whether by a doctor or self certified isn't a license to rape people, you do understand that right?

Anybody you meet could be a potential rapist but that doesn't give you the right to demonise anyone that happens to be different from you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Stereotypes will get you nowhere.

Your last point makes no real sense, I assume you just wanted to score points but didn't really think what you wrote through? Because I never said anywhere that only people who think like me have valid opinions, that's definitely more of an attitude you tend to display.




What you said was sensationalist and driven by ignorance and fear. This is what you said.



You basically did the trans equivalent of saying 'Gay marriage? What next? Making bestiality and paedophilia legal?' By making what would be an exceptionally rare (and currently impossible situation) seem commonplace, you are demonising trans people by comparing them to peadophiles by making out that they could just be faking it to molest people. You can't self certify yourself as a trans person at the moment and the law doesn't really cover someone who isn't certified. Any old peado can't just walk into a doctor's office and say 'I'm trans, now let me abuse people'. That's just incredibly so far removed from reality. Any kind of trans certification whether by a doctor or self certified isn't a license to rape people, you do understand that right?

Anybody you meet could be a potential rapist but that doesn't give you the right to demonise anyone that happens to be different from you.

As I said your interpretation.

My opinions are driven by the very real fear of the very real real risks that self-certification will pose to young vulnerable girls/women in currently protected female only areas not to mention the trampelling over of all womens’ rights to feel private, safe and unmolested is these female only areas.

Hey, you are not female so what do you care. It doesn’t affect you but nevertheless you think you have the right to support the dumping of such ludicrous proposals on those who it will actually affect. Your opinion on this has little value in comparison to those who it will actually affect.

[thesheriff443]

an opinion on tibb is only wrong with those that don't agree with it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I wouldnt, but i would like the choice.

And you have the choice if the choice is available. If its not available your treatment may be delayed.

I'm not sure what happened here but in normal circumstances they would of sent in a female chaperone. They were obviously busy, didn't think and got their wrists slapped for it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s no more prejudiced than the other side of the coin, where everyone is supposed to feel the same way and if they don’t they should put up and shut up.

Thankfully people have their own minds and won’t be dictated to by the far-left.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then why would you care either way what sex the doctor is?

I would much rather a female doctor, you don't get a choice in hospitals but I have a female GP by choice

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would much rather a female doctor, you don't get a choice in hospitals but I have a female GP by choice

I meant in response to the person who said they don't identify as any sex.

It's a weird one for me. For a consultation where I'm discussing private matters (usually when evaluating my antidepressants) I prefer to see the female doctor. But if requiring a physical exam I'd be more comfortable with a male doctor.



(In before Scott or somebody makes this sexual )

[jaxie]

I can understand where this might be awkward. It's bad enough having to have the test without having added embarrassment but it seems like a genuine mistake and not a deliberate thing.

[Livia]

I don't want a man carrying out an intimate examination on me, and I don't want a transsexual either. I want someone who understands and has experienced puberty, periods, menstrual cramps and all the other sh1t we go through when you are born a woman. I know "born a woman" is an unfashionable phrase now, but it is true, none the less.

If someone wants to live as a woman and that will make them happy, then that's what they should do. And moreover, I will uphold their right to live a happy life as the person they believe they are. But... unless they have had a womb since their periods started, they will never be a real, 100% woman to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I meant in response to the person who said they don't identify as any sex.

It's a weird one for me. For a consultation where I'm discussing private matters (usually when evaluating my antidepressants) I prefer to see the female doctor. But if requiring a physical exam I'd be more comfortable with a male doctor.



(In before Scott or somebody makes this sexual )

For me, it's just with more female issues I think a female Doctor can relate more/really understand where I'm coming from. And obviously for physical exams it's less embarrassing/more comfortable with a female Doctor too for me

[Toy Soldier]

I'd rather have a female for a physical exam because it's nice for them to have a treat .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd rather have a female for a physical exam because it's nice for them to have a treat .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd rather have a female for a physical exam because it's nice for them to have a treat .

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't want a man carrying out an intimate examination on me, and I don't want a transsexual either. I want someone who understands and has experienced puberty, periods, menstrual cramps and all the other sh1t we go through when you are born a woman. I know "born a woman" is an unfashionable phrase now, but it is true, none the less.

If someone wants to live as a woman and that will make them happy, then that's what they should do. And moreover, I will uphold their right to live a happy life as the person they believe they are. But... unless they have had a womb since their periods started, they will never be a real, 100% woman to me.

What if the nurse is a lesbian

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

What if the nurse is a lesbian

Her being lesbian would have zero effect on the points Livia made in her post though

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

What if the nurse is a lesbian

Then they have even MORE experience of the female body so even better! Livia specifically requests gay or bisexual women doctors.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

What if the nurse is a lesbian

She'd still be a woman.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Then they have even MORE experience of the female body so even better! Livia specifically requests gay or bisexual women doctors.

I told you that in confidence................