[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf that is more likely than this Corbyn case as alot of people try to find child porn sites and then report it to The Police or other forms of Law Enforcement.

It does sound dodgy though.

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's because the Labour voters wanted him tbf.

Not the old Labour voters, they know him of old

[DemolitionRed]

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

[parmnion]

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

Yep, like the ridiculous claims he made to get students to vote for him (he couldn't even say where the money was going to come from, the fool - that interview was hilarious) - and the u turn he made over Brexit...but some still believe he's Mr. Wonderful.

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

He always looks kinda dirty - like he smells.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thanks for making me aware of this T.S. I will have a read through posts I may have missed during my absence.

I know that I have never stated ALL Muslims when I have slated terrorists etc, but I believe anyway - as you infer - that on here it is more a rail at certain Muslim traditions and practices than it is 'Anti-Muslim' attitudes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

I don't know much about the case, but good then if he really swings that way. Personally I don't think that Paedophiles should be allowed out of prison as they're a permanent danger to children.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Yep, like the ridiculous claims he made to get students to vote for him (he couldn't even say where the money was going to come from, the fool - that interview was hilarious) - and the u turn he made over Brexit...but some still believe he's Mr. Wonderful.

I think it's less about Corbyn being wonderful and more about May and her party being completely incompetent as of late, and tbh ever since David Cameron beat Gordon Brown in 2010 General Election to get Lib Dems into a Coalition.

I swear the only policy that was handled okay by the current Government was Gay Marriage.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

I wasn't really passing judgment Brillo, I do actually understand (some of) your issues with how women are viewed within cultural Islam. All I was really doing here was pointing out that not all of the criticism of Islam on the forum is linked to extremism / terrorism.

For the record I honestly have no problem with criticism of religious or cultural practice when there's evidence of it being negative. I have plenty of criticisms of religion in general. My only problem arises when assumptions are made based on someone's background...

i.e. "We can see that that man is oppressing his wife and doesn't want her to have a job / drive / etc and he is Muslim so it's probably linked to his cultural background" - - - That statement is fine for a debate.

But, "I don't know anything about that woman, but as her husband is a Muslim he PROBABLY oppresses her and doesn't want her to be independent" (without any actual knowledge of their family) - - - that would not be fine.

[MTVN]

Good article by Dan Hodges (a Labour supporter for the record) on this today

Over 150 pages, it painstakingly detailed how Corbyn had spent two years as a member of a closed Facebook group called Palestine Live. The group was a veritable cesspit of anti-Semitism, containing vast numbers of racist posts and links ranging from Holocaust denial, through Zionist conspiracy theories and 9/11 conspiracy theories, to descriptions of Jews as ‘Zios’, ‘ZioNazi’ and ‘JewNazi’.

Collier’s research revealed Corbyn had engaged with the group, had been lauded by its members, and had organised meetings at the Commons for members via the site. In response, Corbyn’s office claimed he had been added to the group without his knowledge or consent.

When it was pointed out he had posted on the site, they backtracked and claimed he had only responded to individual posts in which he’d been mentioned. Then it was pointed out he had in fact ‘favoured’ various pieces of general content. At which point Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appeared on television to claim Corbyn had left the group as soon as its vile nature had been brought to his attention.

Unfortunately, Corbyn himself had already undermined that defence, admitting he had only left the site when he was elected Labour leader. So his office finally fell back on the line that he had not personally seen or engaged with any anti-Semitic content directly.

At this point the reaction was instantaneous and savage. An instantaneous and savage silence.

From Labour’s Shadow Cabinet there was silence. From Labour MPs there was silence. From the Tory Party there was silence. On the main broadcast bulletins there was silence. On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence. Across the nation. Silence. It’s important to repeat again what had occurred. The leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition admitted to being a member of what by any objective definition is a Facebook group of unremitting anti-Semitic hatred. He admitted to engaging with that group, of organising meetings on behalf of that group, and of remaining a member of that group for two full years.

And yet there is nothing. No internal challenge or repudiation. No external challenge or repudiation. Just a collective shrug.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...l-compass.html

[Vicky.]

From the Tory Party there was silence.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.

On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence

This too.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

Gentleman's agreement so that no one will air all of THEIR dirty laundry, one would imagine.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:

The line that has been crossed cannot now be redrawn. The anti-Semites – with the help of Corbyn and the other useful idiots within Labour’s ranks – have won. They have reset the moral compass of a nation. In fact, they have snapped it in two.

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

No way i’m voting Labour again while these arseholes are in charge.I don’t know what came over me.
Looks like i’m not voting next GE.
Just watching with interest.

[Vicky.]

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

I don't accept this as a reason at all. This is basically saying anything could come out about Corbyn, with absolute proof, and neither the Tories nor the press would actually say anything about it, all because a few Corbyn fanatics would dismiss it as fake? Nah. Everyone has their fanatics, who will dismiss anything negative about their idol. Kinda the whole point of being a fanatic. But most of the public are not like this, and I totally refuse to believe that no fuss is being made of this simply because it would be dismissed as a smear Also no way I am reading 150 pages on this when I have already seen enough to prove Corbyn has some very dodgy views anyway, so it doesn't really interest me as such.

AND, it is entirely possible that he did not read the comments on stuff. Thats not an excuse, he might well have seen them. I am slightly tempted to waste hours to read that whole document, to see if he replied TO any of the anti-semetic comments. Like directly to them, which would prove beyond doubt that he did read them. Answering a post that has some dodgy comments on it, doesn't really prove anything. On FB I don't tend to click the 'view previous comments' bit in groups, I just add my own comment to the original post. I cannot be the only one who does this? Or I will read the comments, ignore anything troll like, and only reply to people who speak sense. I don't tend to pull people up on offensive posts as..whats the point? It just sets people off arguing. Ignoring them is the best way, and possibly reporting them to FB if they are too bad. Also from that screenshot, it looks like he only replied on there as he was tagged? So indeed may have only read that one comment that tagged him

Either way though, I just do not accept that this is all brushed under the carpet because the press think there is no point reporting it as apparently noone will believe it, when they put Corbyn front page for taking a train or farting ffs

I know people will read this and brush it off as making excuses for him. But I am far from Corbyns biggest fan. Might have supported him at one stage, but not for months and months now.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't accept this as a reason at all. This is basically saying anything could come out about Corbyn, with absolute proof, and neither the Tories nor the press would actually say anything about it, all because a few Corbyn fanatics would dismiss it as fake? Nah. Everyone has their fanatics, who will dismiss anything negative about their idol. Kinda the whole point of being a fanatic. But most of the public are not like this, and I totally refuse to believe that no fuss is being made of this simply because it would be dismissed as a smear Also no way I am reading 150 pages on this when I have already seen enough to prove Corbyn has some very dodgy views anyway, so it doesn't really interest me as such.

AND, it is entirely possible that he did not read the comments on stuff. Thats not an excuse, he might well have seen them. I am slightly tempted to waste hours to read that whole document, to see if he replied TO any of the anti-semetic comments. Like directly to them, which would prove beyond doubt that he did read them. Answering a post that has some dodgy comments on it, doesn't really prove anything. On FB I don't tend to click the 'view previous comments' bit in groups, I just add my own comment to the original post. I cannot be the only one who does this? Or I will read the comments, ignore anything troll like, and only reply to people who speak sense. I don't tend to pull people up on offensive posts as..whats the point? It just sets people off arguing. Ignoring them is the best way, and possibly reporting them to FB if they are too bad. Also from that screenshot, it looks like he only replied on there as he was tagged? So indeed may have only read that one comment that tagged him

Either way though, I just do not accept that this is all brushed under the carpet because the press think there is no point reporting it as apparently noone will believe it, when they put Corbyn front page for taking a train or farting ffs

I know people will read this and brush it off as making excuses for him. But I am far from Corbyns biggest fan. Might have supported him at one stage, but not for months and months now.

Well I think the wider point is that anti-semitism has now become acceptable enough in British society that it doesn't seem to matter that the leader of the opposition happily fraternised with anti-semites in this Facebook group for months and months and actively participated in discussions. Imagine if May had been a member of a group which contained a load of EDL members and regularly posted anti-Muslim stuff and she commented on posts containing that sort of content.

The Tories and the media do have some responsibility for not considering this worth making a fuss about. I don't think anybody would accuse Corbyn himself of being anti-semitic but he also doesn't seem that bothered by the issue

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic