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22-07-2018, 11:56 PM | #126 | |||
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Skin colour is the 1st think g you get discriminated upon
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22-07-2018, 11:59 PM | #127 | |||
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Well I would enlarge on that and say physical appearance because how someone looks has immediate impact on others in many ways.
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23-07-2018, 01:05 AM | #128 | |||
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Every problem has the CORRECT solution - and THIS was this one's. Well done, Epic.
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23-07-2018, 06:25 AM | #129 | |||
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23-07-2018, 06:52 AM | #130 | |||
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There's a lot of gaslighting that goes on in this section when sensitive topics are brought up, so yeah.. it's going to make it seem like people "buddy up" in order to take charge of the situation, when really it is mutual discomfort in seeing other people in such a common position... people themselves really hate being gaslit... like in our culture we do not handle this well at all... and this is so incredibly common on social media/online in general, so we are all familiar with that form of emotional manipulation from personal experience...
It is also the single worst debate "tactic" that we use, to gaslit someone into taking on a particular stance that wasn't their proposition and then raining projections onto them as they try to deconstruct the prior ones... so yeah, it leads to some unnecessarily ridiculous exchanges between folk imo when maybe refraining from fighting on those grounds entirely would better "level" the discussion(s)... people are allowed to disagree, of course, but when it is implied by either other party that their resolving to disagree is meant to be the perfect illusion, and here's the bait&switch that is proof they are the ones who are the actual oppressor of the thread, then we've already entered that territory... like crazy narcissist territory. For me the obvious clue is when someone basically says, "Ok here's my version of facts, and here with it I attached my emotional résumé on the subject"... usually a huge red flag for me the debate will be nothing but endless u-turns based on wide-reaching emotional arguments (i.e. subjective truth(s)). We're not only debating what facts are now, we're forced to resort to fighting other people's personal demons on their behalf, and then told they are far too powerful and cannot be killed without specially designed weapons... it's like a bad JRPG, man. Last edited by Maru; 23-07-2018 at 07:00 AM. |
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23-07-2018, 06:56 AM | #131 | |||
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The worse one for me is 'you and your friends' when that is trotted out the debate is well and truly over!
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23-07-2018, 08:13 AM | #132 | |||
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23-07-2018, 08:15 AM | #133 | |||
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Edit: i just skimmed through it. It was pretty sad. Its incredibly common here too. The news story was that an elderly guy defends himself against two burglars. People wanted to talk about the burglars being travellers instead. Its sad. But unfortunately, its expected. You just know that if they were muslim, people would be slating islam, or if they were immigrants, people would be talking about the parliament laws on immigration. Idk, i havent got a solution, just a complaint.
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23-07-2018, 08:17 AM | #134 | |||
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I understand that people will never fully know the impact and reverberations of racism unless they or their ancestors have been been impacted but trotting out phrases such as "you're ignorant" etc will not change that. Instead of insulting members education is the way to go. I personally don't feel I have been discriminated against (even though I am a woman.....and ginger). Racism, sexism etc is still rife and does need clamping down on but it will never be fully eradicated if people cannot talk about it without being told to pipe down as they are ignorant
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23-07-2018, 08:35 AM | #135 | |||
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Black people were slaves So? Women are sold as slaves all the time, why dont you care about sexism Education will help, true, but I don’t think Redway labelling a person like that as ‘ignorant’ is particularly unhelpful. It is ignorant, and it’s important that people know this, it would be more helpful if they were told why, agreed. For some reason, people have been competitive with their own discrimination instead of empathetic to others, and thats pretty sad and ugly.
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23-07-2018, 09:04 AM | #136 | |||
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23-07-2018, 09:05 AM | #137 | |||
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However this thread is slightly different as it's actually asking the question to people if they have ever been discriminated against so it kind of invites people to talk about all kinds of discrimination, surely? **Full disclosure I haven't read much of the thread yet so I'm not sure exactly how the conversation got to where it did
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23-07-2018, 09:06 AM | #138 | |||
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...well, i guess we learned that its not always the same people then, but it does just always happen - bashing a group because of individuals is just something that tibb does constantly.
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23-07-2018, 09:08 AM | #139 | |||
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It's a good thread so kudos to you for that.
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23-07-2018, 09:37 AM | #140 | |||
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I don't think I've ever actually experienced discrimination but I would have had some stuff similar to this happen also when I was living in London in the 90's. I remember a guy telling me he doesn't like Irish people one night when i was out which I found hilarious as he was saying this to me while drinking in an Irish bar But nothing serious just a few nasty comments from stupid people I've definitely experienced sexism but I wouldn't say discrimination really as a woman, in the sense of losing opportunities I'd gone for or anything like that. That's not to say discrimination towards women doesn't happen at all in the west because I firmly believe it does, for a start it happens almost everytime a woman is raped or sexually assaulted
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23-07-2018, 10:11 AM | #141 | |||
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23-07-2018, 10:15 AM | #142 | |||
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Nasty comments is one thing, intimating that every Irish person is a member of the IRA is much the same as people equating all Muslims to terrorists now, for every one person that thinks that way there are 10 people who don't so I think we have to take the positives, and not always dwell on the negatives
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23-07-2018, 10:18 AM | #143 | |||
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These people don’t see themselves as unfairly disadvantaged because they’re Scottish. They’re perfectly happy to make light of how slavery affects people of colour today to prove a daft point about white men being victims too. And that is ignorant. I’m being as nice as I can but plenty of people in this thread have crossed their limits with things they obviously don’t know anything about. Whether they know they’ve stepped over the limit or are deliberately taking the piss is their business but there’s no other word for it than ignorance is there. Especially when some people on here don’t even want to know that they might not know the impact of what they’ve been saying on this thread. I love how people are quick to jump on me for calling people ignorant when it’s pretty true in response to this thread. These are probably the same people who wouldn’t see anything wrong with touching a black girl’s hair and honestly wouldn’t see what was wrong in it. These are the same people that laugh at issues like racism and it’s nothing less than what I’ve called it. That LGBT comment was in response to another person trying to minimalise racism by pointing out the obvious that LGBT people get discriminated against too.
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23-07-2018, 10:20 AM | #144 | |||
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23-07-2018, 10:25 AM | #145 | |||
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I'm not being drawn into an argument with you about stuff I haven't even said.
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23-07-2018, 10:30 AM | #146 | |||
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I’ve stayed calm for the most part where other people would’ve flipped when it comes to discussing black issues with people who aren’t willing to understand. Like I say those people are the same ones who wouldn’t see an issue touching a black girl’s hair. These are the same people who actually respond with joker smilies when someone’s talking about serious issues which still affect people of colour to this day. Like I say I’m open to discussing these things with people who are willing to understand but the people those posts were directed at aren’t. And they’re happy to minimalise someone else’s experience to bolster some weird kind of pseudo-racist agenda. But it’s cool. Those particular people obviously don’t know any better so I’ve stayed cool for the most part.
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23-07-2018, 10:43 AM | #147 | |||
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23-07-2018, 11:04 AM | #149 | |||
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