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28-01-2019, 09:28 AM | #51 | |||
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Yeah, thats your issue. I’m not gonna help you through it because theres probably a few decades of unteaching to go through. Somebody else might spare you the time.
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28-01-2019, 09:29 AM | #52 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:33 AM | #53 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:33 AM | #54 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:33 AM | #55 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:35 AM | #56 | |||
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Basically Withano, what I'm asking is why can't you be a girl or boy and figure out what you like? Why do you have to be no gender until you do? It's a sexist idea and a gender stereotype enforcing one
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28-01-2019, 09:38 AM | #57 | |||
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It wont be the odd few, it will be the sharp majority imo.
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28-01-2019, 09:39 AM | #58 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:42 AM | #59 | |||
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28-01-2019, 09:43 AM | #60 | ||
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28-01-2019, 09:46 AM | #61 | |||
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Gender is something you think and feel, probably shouldnt be something the parents decide based on their childs fashion sense... should probably be something the child decides what they begin to associate themselves with an identity.
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28-01-2019, 09:47 AM | #62 | |||
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I mean, sooner that than have a parent tell a child they’re not allowed a toy they love because they were born the wrong sex.
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28-01-2019, 09:50 AM | #63 | |||
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Well here's where our opinions will veer off, I just can't see how sex and gender are different
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28-01-2019, 09:51 AM | #64 | |||
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See you've just contradicted yourself here now by saying that they like a certain toy so they must have been born in the wrong sex
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28-01-2019, 09:53 AM | #65 | |||
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Usually people know they are the same gender and sex, sometimes people know they have a different gender and sex, sometimes people dont feel strongly either way.
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28-01-2019, 09:54 AM | #66 | |||
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No i strongly disagree with that... Alf said its something he’d do on page 2 something to do with his money and he decides, idk.
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28-01-2019, 09:57 AM | #67 | |||
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Alright well here is where we end up back around in circles I think.
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28-01-2019, 10:02 AM | #68 | |||
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There are transgenders, cisgenders and agenders (and probably lots in between) on tibb alone. Them existing shouldnt be the end-all of discussion.
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28-01-2019, 10:03 AM | #69 | ||
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However that isn't the case and the term "gender" was created specifically to differentiate what would traditionally be considered male / female behavioural characteristics, from biological sex. Gender refers to behaviours, and ONLY behaviours, it (by definition) has nothing to do with biology. In other words... if "sex" and "gender" were the same thing, then the term "gender" wouldn't NEED to exist at all. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 28-01-2019 at 10:04 AM. |
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28-01-2019, 10:05 AM | #70 | |||
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28-01-2019, 10:13 AM | #71 | ||
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Well yes, that's where it gets complicated because gender essentially is (arguably) a social construct in the first place. That's where you get into much deeper history / anthropology though and trying to figure out where those social constructs came from and whether or not any of them are rooted in structurally biological / hormonal differences.
But that said, just because they're social constructs, doesn't mean that they aren't "real" in a modern context... and whether or not they're positive or negative is a debate in itself. But yeah I don't think something can be discounted as "a real thing" just because it's of human invention. I mean, humour (beyond basic slapstick, other primates find that funny) is a human invention and where would we be without that? |
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28-01-2019, 10:13 AM | #72 | |||
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Usually transgenders will typically perform better at some sterotypical tasks because of the way their brain is wired. There are differences between male and female brains. A female brain is built very similarly to an transwomans brain, and they will often share some skills that are typically harder for men and transmen.
So yes in a way? Some stereotypes exist for a reason. That probably doesnt have much to do with kids’ toys and coloured tshirts though.
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28-01-2019, 10:19 AM | #73 | |||
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men and women are different so I would hope they are treated differently in certain circumstances
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28-01-2019, 10:26 AM | #74 | |||
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@TS & Withano - That just confirms for me though that raising genderless children is counter active to breaking stereotypes and will end up reinforcing gender roles and limiting girls and boys. And a massive backwards step
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28-01-2019, 10:35 AM | #75 | |||
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I don’t understand your reasoning at all. Gender will always exist. Postponing the idea of gender until the child can understand gender wont change that. It’s either that or force gender on a child. What actually is your solution lol. You seem to be against both.
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