[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and I am talking about the border, can you confirm that you heard it mentioned as part of any argument in the remain campaign? it was never mentioned

Such a big over sight

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

I think that's Ireland's biggest mistake ..i think in Ireland we thought that the GFA was welcomed in UK as much as Ireland .

Now I think the Irish are seeing it is irrelavent to the British.

Hard lesson to learn.. but important

of course the GFA was welcomed in the UK, especially as it put an end to a bombing campaign, but its was two decades ago, there is a whole generation who know nothing about it, and even more who have forgotten as it didn't affect them directly

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Such a big over sight

I never heard it mentioned once, it only came up once the vote was to go out

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't remember either of my kids learning about Irish history but then neither took history for GCSE so maybe they study if it they take history as an option, not sure tbh

Still though it's pretty basic Geography. The kids here do both history and Geography up until after Junior cert, they become optional for leaving cert

[Tom4784]

We were taught Geography up until Year 9 when it became optional. We learned about what countries formed the UK quite early on. It's a basic fact, really.

[Kizzy]

You what the way the English talk it's as though we own the rest of Britain and the people who live there should be thouroughly jolly glad we allow them to!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and I am talking about the border, can you confirm that you heard it mentioned as part of any argument in the remain campaign? it was never mentioned

So you confirm it bc that is not my point but yours.

My point is everybody should know basic geography, referendum or not.

If they don't, they can't really discuss the Irish backstop, as TS said.
The very concept of the backstop exists only bc of the geopolitical situation.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Pre referendum the Irish border was never mentioned at all, this is why I think there should be a second referendum, people are much more aware of a lot of the sticking points now, rather than the whitewash of its going to be easy to leave

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not true. What about the peace process, that's been on the news since the 90s

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am talking about the Leave and Remain referendum campaigns, did either mention the border in their arguments for and against? If you can find me a link that would be great, there was a guy on a phone in recently who mentioned this as well so its just not me that didn't hear anything about it, I cant claim to have listened to every argument but I listen to a fair deal so if it was mentioned it wasn't particularly often

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Cherie I'm not talking about the referendum and whether it was mentioned or not..

I'm talking about being aware what your country consist of.
I cant imagine not knowing who your neighbouring countries are.

I dont think anybody in the referendum campaign was explaining Britain doesnt own Ireland bc doubt anybody thought it needed explaining.

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So you confirm it bc that is not my point but yours.

My point is everybody should know basic geography, referendum or not.

If they don't, they can't really discuss the Irish backstop, as TS said.
The very concept of the backstop exists only bc of the geopolitical situation.

you have moved the goalposts and not for the first time in these threads

can you confirm that you heard any mention of the border during pre referendum campaigns, you claimed what I said was untrue and rambled on about the GFA, its not my fault you completely misunderstood my original point, I am not discussing geography that is other people in the thread so take that up with them maybe?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you have moved the goalposts and not for the first time in these threads

can you confirm that you heard any mention of the border during pre referendum campaigns, you claimed what I said was untrue and rambled on about the GFA, its not my fault you completely misunderstood my original point, I am not discussing geography that is other people in the thread so take that up with them maybe?

Do your own confirming as you questioned it.

I expect it was not mentioned that there is a border bc everybody should know there is one

My point is that schools and news should teach you about your own country borders

Not my fault Kazanne wasnt listening.

Btw since when mentioning gla once equates to rambling about it?

[Twosugars]

In other news the referendum campaign didnt mention leprechauns aren't real so why dont we get them to do border checks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

In other news the referendum campaign didnt mention leprechauns aren't real so why dont we get them to do border checks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Do your own confirming as you questioned it.

I expect it was not mentioned that there is a border bc everybody should know there is one

My point is that schools and news should teach you about your own country borders

Not my fault Kazanne wasnt listening.

Btw since when mentioning gla once equates to rambling about it?

I wouldn't be insinuating other people are stupid if I were you, you don't appear to be able to follow a thread at all?

I am asking a simple question off you, its not a trick question, I just wondered if I missed where it was mentioned, you don't seem keen to answer I have no idea why that would be

[Cherie]

and seeing as you seem to be labouring some point about education, many kids are taught how to read and write from age 4 but still come out not able to do either, so maybe we could apply the same to other subjects, just a thought

[MTVN]

I heard it discussed leading up to the referendum but then I'm a massive nerd who never missed a Daily Politics episode

Obviously the Leave side didn't want to talk about it but some on the Remain side expressed their concerns

[AnnieK]

I honestly don't remember the border being mentioned till we heard about the details of the first Withdrawal Agreement

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I wouldn't be insinuating other people are stupid if I were you, you don't appear to be able to follow a thread at all?

I am asking a simple question off you, its not a trick question, I just wondered if I missed where it was mentioned, you don't seem keen to answer I have no idea why that would be

I dont remember it mentioned so assume it wasn't. And?

And what bearing does that have on not knowing Ireland is one of the closest foreign countries to the UK?
Do you consider that some sort of excuse?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I dont remember it mentioned so assume it wasn't. And?

And what bearing does that have on not knowing Ireland is one of the closest foreign countries to the UK?
Do you consider that some sort of excuse?

It has no bearing, I was making a completely different point, please join the conversation with the members discussing the point you are labouring if you wish to keep banging on about it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I heard it discussed leading up to the referendum but then I'm a massive nerd who never missed a Daily Politics episode

Obviously the Leave side didn't want to talk about it but some on the Remain side expressed their concerns

Nerd

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I honestly don't remember the border being mentioned till we heard about the details of the first Withdrawal Agreement

I know right, remain should have made a bigger issue of it, considering it is the major sticking point now

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should

Did he get the same response I did Cherie ? of course he didn't ,I wonder why

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I heard it discussed leading up to the referendum but then I'm a massive nerd who never missed a Daily Politics episode

Obviously the Leave side didn't want to talk about it but some on the Remain side expressed their concerns

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[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nerd



I know right, remain should have made a bigger issue of it, considering it is the major sticking point now

Yes bc that's remain fault, screwing things up with gfa

You couldn't make it up

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I heard it discussed leading up to the referendum but then I'm a massive nerd who never missed a Daily Politics episode

Obviously the Leave side didn't want to talk about it but some on the Remain side expressed their concerns

people zone out when they hear things they are not interested in. People in England and Scotland don't care about the irish border. They care about immigration, sovereignty and the NHS.

I listened to everything during the run up to the ref, i don't want to remember most of it now

[Vicky.]

One of the leaflets we got round here did mention Ireland. Unfortunately though, in the vain of 'technically a problem but not really a problem as the Eu will be falling over themselves to make a deal with us as we are so important, so no worries'. Plus it only seemed to have been acknowledged at all, as the leaflet was discssing 'project fear' and all the things remainers were telling people that were untrue and never going to happen in a million years (I never saw the one this one was refuting..but it must have existed fr that reply..IDK)

Still dont understand how anyone convinced themselves we would be in a position of strength, definitely strong enough to demand all the things we were apparently getting, with all the bad bits gone. Eu will be licking our boots tbh.

Well that went well.

As for the history convo, we did nothing about that in history that I remember, we only did the romans and henry 8th...did do ROI/NI in geography though. One of the first things I remember from it actually.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Did he get the same response I did Cherie ? of course he didn't ,I wonder why

Please don't make yourself a victim.Laugh all you want.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

Please don't make yourself a victim.Laugh all you want.

Im not a victim, just wished people would understand ,we are not all brainboxes so clued up on certain things, and lime no one stops me from laughing, ive got in to trouble about it many a time.