[parmnion]

?

[Cherie]

Labourers, fruit pickers that kind of thing

[MB.]

There's no such thing as low-skilled jobs, just badly paid ones

[Babayaro.]

Being unable to do five keepy-ups

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Labourers, fruit pickers that kind of thing

Yes,I think its maybe jobs you don't have to train for and jobs anyone can do.

[parmnion]

taxi drivers as well seemingly, security guards as well.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by MB.

There's no such thing as low-skilled jobs, just badly paid ones

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All jobs require you to be skilled, otherwise you’d do a bad job and be fired, ‘low skilled job’ is just an invented classification to justify the most needy being paid the least possible amount

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Liam-

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All jobs require you to be skilled, otherwise you’d do a bad job and be fired, ‘low skilled job’ is just an invented classification to justify the most needy being paid the least possible amount

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,I think its maybe jobs you don't have to train for and jobs anyone can do.

According to Priti Patel as of this February, the "low-skilled jobs" category includes paramedics, phlebotomists, physiotherapists and radiographers... pretty sure you're required to train for all four

[parmnion]

i cant copy link on this laptop cause im old, but check out the latest ONS figures on low skilled workers and covid.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

taxi drivers as well seemingly, security guards as well.

[caprimint]

yep, it's really debatable. i even know kitchen porters who get like Ł11 an hour

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by parmnion

taxi drivers as well seemingly, security guards as well.

really??? i thought both of these were well paid, especially taxi drivers

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by caprimint

really??? i thought both of these were well paid, especially taxi drivers

yep, even taxi drivers.

[Josy]

It's an insulting term that shouldn't be used.

Most of these 'unskilled' workers are the ones that have kept this country running the past couple of months

[Toy Soldier]

Trying to determine the skill level of a job based on salary is absolutely ridiculous, I have no idea where the government got that idea from. I mean... it's really, really daft.

When I worked for t'bookies I had area/regional managers who were on higher salaries than newly qualified doctors/lawyers etc. and I swear some of these people are thick as two short planks. Like you could train any reasonably intelligent teen fresh out of school to do their job in under 6 months. They got the job by virtue of "being there a really long time". But going by income, they're more "skilled" than a junior doctor, or an experienced Band 6 nurse.

Some people with plenty of skill and education will have a starting salary of under Ł25k. Yes, it usually goes up relatively quickly but the point remains; for the first few years after training, most skilled staff's wages will fall in the "unskilled" category. Meanwhile actual slack-jawed yokels can easily get to around, say, the Ł40k mark through just determination and plugging away... no real skill required.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

taxi drivers as well seemingly, security guards as well.

What context are you talking about, is it the ONS report on those most affected by corona? I don’t think it’s skill, it’s down to how much social interaction they have in their job which gives them most contact with the virus

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's an insulting term that shouldn't be used.

Most of these 'unskilled' workers are the ones that have kept this country running the past couple of months

Hear, hear!

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What context are you talking about, is it the ONS report on those most affected by corona? I don’t think it’s skill, it’s down to how much social interaction they have in their job which gives them most contact with the virus

same...but the news is using it as a tool to bash the government cause they had a london cabbie on bemoaning and fear mongering the fact...i was like, you twat, sat there behind your glass as i sit in folks unwiped spittle.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's an insulting term that shouldn't be used.

Most of these 'unskilled' workers are the ones that have kept this country running the past couple of months

Thank you :, (

[smudgie]

In my day unskilled just meant none professional.
Pot washer, unskilled.
Chef/cook skilled.
Nothing demeaning meant by it.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's an insulting term that shouldn't be used.

Most of these 'unskilled' workers are the ones that have kept this country running the past couple of months

How right you are there Josy ~ bloody hero's each and every one of them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

In my day unskilled just meant none professional.
Pot washer, unskilled.
Chef/cook skilled.
Nothing demeaning meant by it.

Yeah, this.
Low-skilled is the common term I always hear rather than unskilled.

There's just been a change in how those jobs are referred to in recent years, which is rather disparaging.

[Kizzy]

Deskilling is a tack used to justify underpaying.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Deskilling is a tack used to justify underpaying.

The thing is, it's not even good business. Using bookmakers as an example - cashiers are thought of by upper management as more or less "disposable", because if one leaves, there will be plenty of applications for a replacement and no formal qualifications are required beyond basic-ish numeracy... but from experience, it's an awful tactic, a fully trained and experienced cashier is invaluable. Faster, more efficient, and because they know what they're doing, it increases customer confidence. Sure if they leave they can be replaced - but having a n00b in that seat when an awkward customer has an awkward question or complaint can mean the difference between retaining or losing that customer. A customer frustrated with a clueless member of staff can walk out of the door never to be seen again, costing the company thousands, sometimes tens of thousands.

But the retail and service sector in this country simply refuses to increase pay based on skill or experience... it's a flat rate that goes up with promotion, and that's it. No wage negotiation, no annual increase, very rarely performance related bonuses. It's the ONE aspect of employment that the US at least does get right - it's very common for an experienced, skilled member of staff who has been with a company for years to be able to have a sit down with their line manager and ask for a raise, simply based on their experience level. Doesn't exist here. A staff member with 5 years experience is paid the same as someone on their first day, whist doing three times the work twice as fast. It's stupid. I will (I hope to god) never work retail again.