[MTVN]

Seems like many in Scotland thought they were 'Covid free' and now just needed to keep the English out, hopefully a reminder for pubs and punters in the rest of the UK to be responsible

[parmnion]

26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.

Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seems like many in Scotland thought they were 'Covid free' and now just needed to keep the English out, hopefully a reminder for pubs and punters in the rest of the UK to be responsible

Yes until 54
in Aberdeen got close in bars

They Failed


TS - not so cocky now

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.

Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.

It's now 54 infected


SkyNewsHD

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

26 people in one pub test positive..reports of many other pubs having to shut down because of large numbers of customers testing positive in the same pubs.

Says to me we've all got it or going to get it, so strip off those masks and get on with it.

no, and even if you had it once, you can get it again


there will never be a ''normal life'' anymore like we were used to before all this i hope, i hope people will become more hygienic, i hope we will all learn from this, not to unnecessary socialize too much


as for the masks, they will Always help a bit more than wearing nothing

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Two different clusters both centred on bars.

No one could have predicted it of course.

Yes but 54 infected, in all.
Made your leader act.

[arista]

[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...cases-12042945


[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]

[MTVN]

Looks like a lovely venue

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Looks like a lovely venue

If only the Boss
limited the amount to enter.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...cases-12042945


[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]

Grim, you can tell it’s a place that didn’t enforce any distancing

[bitontheslide]

its the granite, every building in the city looks grim

[parmnion]

Oh my..I hope Jack n victor are ok.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There were a few ‘test trackers’ on LBC radio earlier on and they paint a pitiful picture of things ..

One had been fed two cases to contact in 3 months , another had had just 4 cases to deal with . Neither were able to talk to the infected cases to even get the list of people that they’d been in contact with as five of the six didn’t even answer the phone calls - presumably because most people don’t answer phone calls to numbers they don’t recognise. One person actually answered the phone but after hearing it was a tracker they hung up immediately !


There was another caller giving the other side of the problem- his dad was infected and actually DIED ( underlying health issues) but then his son and nine other family members were each contacted many many times by different trackers ..


Apparently this means that the figures we are being fed by the government are effectively flawed and badly - as the numbers ‘contacted’ could be as much as TEN times higher than what they actually are as different trackers are contacting the same people as their lists will all cross reference..


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[bitontheslide]

there will be flaws in any system. The fundamental fact remains that through a number of mechanisms we are able to identify hotspots and then do concentrated testing in those hot spots to identify the scope of the problem. Testing is much more focussed than it ever was

We are not even close to the position we were in during March when we were getting 60 000 positive tests a day with woeful testing capability

[Ammi]

...it’s around one week until the schools return in Scotland...what will happen if there are ‘clusters’ of cases linked to that return....will they close again...?..

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by arista

[Local health officials have linked a number of cases to The Hawthorn Bar in Aberdeen.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...cases-12042945


[She said the rise in cases had heightened fears the
Scottish government is "dealing with a significant outbreak
n Aberdeen that may include some community transmission".]

Clearly should’ve been a limit as to how many people were allowed in. I tried to get into 3 pubs last weekend around my local area and I couldn’t get into any of them because they were only letting so many in at one time to prevent a situation like this happening. At least there are some pubs out there that are taking the rules very seriously.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s around one week until the schools return in Scotland...what will happen if there are ‘clusters’ of cases linked to that return....will they close again...?..

Better that than closing the pubs eh Ammi. We don't want sad lonely blokes to have to go without a cup of swill and an illusion that the bar staff are their friends. That would be tragic. Not to mention all of the quizzes, pool competitions and knitting clubs that would have to go without.

The mental gymnastics that some people are doing to justify keeping leisure establishments open "because they fancy it" is utterly staggering. I'm not surprised at all that this is happening. "Not so cocky now", arista? Check back less than a few days and you'll find me talking about the utter ****ing madness of pubs being open, BEFORE there were pub-related outbreaks, and I was poo-poo'd away by people desperate to insist that they're vital community services because, apparently, pub culture is so deeply rooted in British culture that we're socially void without them. And here we are a couple of days later, multiple outbreaks linked to bars and pubs, but apparently I'm still wrong for? Other miscellaneous reasons. It'll be something else. Scottish people got complacent and aren't careful enough in pubs. It's nothing to do with the actual pubs.

Mind blowing.

[arista]

[Up to 1,500 jobs to go at WHSmith over 'slow'
lockdown recovery]

https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-1-5...omers-12042804

[bitontheslide]

it doesn't make logical sense to close pubs because schools are open and only someone with a deep dislike for pubs in the first place would make that connection,

If infections rise as a result of schools opening, then something needs to happen with social distancing at schools. That would be the fundamental issue

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by arista

[Up to 1,500 jobs to go at WHSmith over 'slow'
lockdown recovery]

https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-1-5...omers-12042804

Very sad news. Seeing as a lot of their stores are at airports it comes as no surprise that they are struggling.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Looks like a lovely venue

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

Very sad news. Seeing as a lot of their stores are at airports it comes as no surprise that they are struggling.

Yes many still have not opened

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Better that than closing the pubs eh Ammi. We don't want sad lonely blokes to have to go without a cup of swill and an illusion that the bar staff are their friends. That would be tragic. Not to mention all of the quizzes, pool competitions and knitting clubs that would have to go without.

The mental gymnastics that some people are doing to justify keeping leisure establishments open "because they fancy it" is utterly staggering. I'm not surprised at all that this is happening. "Not so cocky now", arista? Check back less than a few days and you'll find me talking about the utter ****ing madness of pubs being open, BEFORE there were pub-related outbreaks, and I was poo-poo'd away by people desperate to insist that they're vital community services because, apparently, pub culture is so deeply rooted in British culture that we're socially void without them. And here we are a couple of days later, multiple outbreaks linked to bars and pubs, but apparently I'm still wrong for? Other miscellaneous reasons. It'll be something else. Scottish people got complacent and aren't careful enough in pubs. It's nothing to do with the actual pubs.

Mind blowing.

...this is all beneath you, TS...anyways and moving on....it was a genuine pondering about the schools, it wasn’t posed to be provocative...yes, more social venues have opened and now we’re having a rise ...but it’s still quite isolated, it seems...it’s obviously not school time atm so there would never be any ‘clusters’ linked to schools in the tracking...but they’re about to reopen in Scotland in a matter of days...so what will happen if there is a similar rise linked there...?..will they close down as is being suggested with pubs...?...schools do have restrictions in how ‘careful’ they’re allowed to be because wearing masks is something that isn’t deemed as conducive to a teaching environment...so health and safety have definite restrictions that other working environments don’t have...

[arista]

Today 65 died.


UK Total Covid-19 Deaths :46,364

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[parmnion]

Maybe the pubs being opened up was the best thing that could have happened because it has shown us that the virus is a lot more widespread than we thought and perhaps a bit safer than we thought.

If 59 or whatever the number of people turning up at one pub in Aberdeen as well as all the other ones we have heard of. The customers will have been following guidelines for the duration before hand..yet they all turn up with the virus.

For me that's a telling fact.