[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't see the slant and misrepresentation in a toxic relationship full of drink, drugs and physical violence being reported as "man abuses wife" as unfair, unbalanced and damaging?

You take the trial (which wasn't about Heard) but entirely focussed on one side of the story in order to give a scum tabloid more ammunition to post only their own versions of the truth as a positive?

The conversation stops here then. Heard does not represent victims, anymore than Depp does.

...we don’t know anything about the relationship, though...surely that’s all subject to slant and misinterpretations as well, so not something I’ve read because all we can say is what is found to be truth in court when the slant and misinterpretations are completely cleared for the justice system to apply...whatever an individual may feel about either one of the parted couple....Amber does represent a victim of abuse because he did in fact abuse her....whether there are any layers to ‘the story‘, we don’t know...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we don’t know anything about the relationship, though...surely that’s all subject to slant and misinterpretations as well

Yes, it is subject to slant and misrepresentation. As has happened and continues to do so.

Slanting it in the opposite direction would also be wrong, that's not an excuse for where it is currently biased.

A balanced view of the facts of their relationship would be a start but that's asking for too much in the media in 2020.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah. You also get the impression that people just want to believe Johnny is completely innocent because he's a well loved good looking actor, it feels to me that people in general (not always just men either) are more comfortable with the woman being the bad one and the liar. Initially, people believed Amber because of some recordings but when some others came out to show her acting abusive it was like people were so relieved they could now act like Johnny was the poor manipulated good guy when that really does not seem to be the case at all, it looks very much like both of them acted abusive and aggressive.

...this is something as well that’s very much in my thoughts atm...I watched the trailer and I completely understand why this has become so distasteful and so wrong on so many levels...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bbc-apolog...185127361.html

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I see that more as backing him within his legal battle against The Sun, for which he had my full support.

This "win for Amber" twisting of the whole thing does not sit right at all for me. If the court case did anything, it was highlight the toxicity of the relationship on both sides. The slanting of it to now be that the "victim" has had her justification is repulsive to me and damaging for male victims of domestic abuse. How on earth can they feel comfortable coming forward as it is, and now they have to contend with a famous female abuser being presented as the victim? Stop the world I want to get off.

I do agree with you that there seemed to be 2 of them in it, in this abusive relationship but if what the articles said were true as decided by court, then why would he pursue them as being false? It comes across to me that Johnny saw that the tide hide turned on public opinion and he was the one getting the sympathy now and he thought he could ride that wave all the way to the newspapers. His actions aren't helpful to any victims - and they are his actions -

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is something as well that’s very much in my thoughts atm...I watched the trailer and I completely understand why this has become so distasteful and so wrong on so many levels...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bbc-apolog...185127361.html

Oh I saw that, and yeah that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. So ****ing gross and disrespectful

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do agree with you that there seemed to be 2 of them in it, in this abusive relationship but if what the articles said were true as decided by court, then why would he pursue them as being false? It comes across to me that Johnny saw that the tide hide turned on public opinion and he was the one getting the sympathy now and he thought he could ride that wave all the way to the newspapers. His actions aren't helpful to any victims - and they are his actions -

Clearly for the same reasons she did, they're at war with each other, part of that is playing the victim.

This is why I find it sickening that anyone would describe this as in anyway a positive for victims of domestic abuse.

It seems some people can see the imbalance when it favours the man, but not when it's favouring the woman, that's extremely problematic.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, it is subject to slant and misrepresentation. As has happened and continues to do so.

Slanting it in the opposite direction would also be wrong, that's not an excuse for where it is currently biased.

A balanced view of the facts of their relationship would be a start but that's asking for too much in the media in 2020.

...but it isn’t slanting it in the opposite direction..(...as I see it...)...to only look at court rulings to be proven truths ...he is a proven abuser, Amber Heard isn’t...for the moment, she isn’t...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Clearly for the same reasons she did, they're at war with each other, part of that is playing the victim.

This is why I find it sickening that anyone would describe this as in anyway a positive for victims of domestic abuse.

Yes but he is the one who is suing the Newspaper here not her

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but it isn’t slanting it in the opposite direction..(...as I see it...)...to only look at court rulings to be proven truths ...he is a proven abuser, Amber Heard isn’t...for the moment, she isn’t...

To call it a win for victims is a slant and a misrepresentation. I don't care how people justify that narrative.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is something as well that’s very much in my thoughts atm...I watched the trailer and I completely understand why this has become so distasteful and so wrong on so many levels...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bbc-apolog...185127361.html

Youtube video

you mean from this documentary?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but he is the one who is suing the Newspaper here not her

I never said she had?

I said they've both brought the details of their relationship into the limelight in an effort to expose the other, and to defend themselves.

Him exposing her actions = misogynistic victim blaming
Her exposing his actions = a win for domestic abuse victims

That's just... all kinds of wrong.

[Ammi]

...okay, so this is my words and what I said...?...as from the last lockdown, I have personal experiences of domestic abuse in homes and it being male on female abuse ...?...yeah, those were my thoughts as we go into lockdown again because it’s a huge concern for victims...?....the added stress atm and then condensing that stress into confinement’s....anyways, I realise that I focused quite singularly there because of personal thought processes and that abuse is extended to all victims, regardless of gender...as it couldn’t not be an equal concern...I apologise for that, Marsh...I do get very focused in at times...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said she had?

I said they've both brought the details of their relationship into the limelight in an effort to expose the other, and to defend themselves.

Him exposing her actions = misogynistic victim blaming
Her exposing his actions = a win for domestic abuse victims

That's just... all kinds of wrong.

I don't think that's what Ammi had said though, I wouldn't like to speak for her but isn't this the first actually proven instance of abuse happening in the whole saga? Not just them throwing mud at each other

[Marsh.]

Oh, there's no need to apologise, honestly. Your view is your view.
It's just the amount of misinformation that gets spread (I know, I know, what's new on the internet) is incredibly frustrating. With people treating it like it was a domestic abuse court case where it's been judged Johnny Depp abused his wife. Full stop.

When the case was only focussed on libel for one article the Scum posted about him.

The use of the result of that to entirely change the narrative is troubling.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's what Ammi had said though, I wouldn't like to speak for her but isn't this the first actually proven instance of abuse happening in the whole saga? Not just them throwing mud at each other

I would call the recordings ironclad proof. But that's up to individuals.

Also, my posts aren't all directed at Ammi.

Edit - Yes, let me just clarify I'm not having a go at Ammi, but the entire representation/attitude to this I've seen in the media/social media/on TV since the verdict.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh, there's no need to apologise, honestly. Your view is your view.
It's just the amount of misinformation that gets spread (I know, I know, what's new on the internet) is incredibly frustrating. With people treating it like it was a domestic abuse court case where it's been judged Johnny Depp abused his wife. Full stop.

When the case was only focussed on libel for one article the Scum posted about him.

The use of the result of that to entirely change the narrative is troubling.

Oh I don't think anyone really believes that's the whole story, it's just a bit off in my eyes that he would go that far to lie about him having any involvement in the dishing out of abuse and I think maybe that could be bad for male victims of abuse coming forward, if you get what I mean?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I don't think anyone really believes that's the whole story, it's just a bit off in my eyes that he would go that far to lie about him having any involvement in the dishing out of abuse and I think maybe that could be bad for male victims of abuse coming forward, if you get what I mean?

Anyone? I will completely disagree with you there. Loose Women yesterday (god knows what possessed me to watch it) championing what it's done for women repulsed me.

Absolutely, my point is this case hasn't done anyone any favours, least of all Heard and Depp themselves. It's why I can't fathom the idea of the verdict being good for anyone bar more justification for a biased and cesspit media. But that's just business as usual for the Sun.

[Liam-]

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I would call the recordings ironclad proof. But that's up to individuals.

Also, my posts aren't all directed at Ammi.

Edit - Yes, let me just clarify I'm not having a go at Ammi, but the entire representation/attitude to this I've seen in the media/social media/on TV since the verdict.

...the thing is though, it’s not really judging Amber, though because it’s specific to what he did...as in he said the Sun were lying and they weren’t ...(...is the finding...)...that it was truth...So acknowledging his abuse as a court proved fact...also has to acknowledge Amber’s victim of abuse as a court proved fact also fact, also...that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a victim also, that would have to also be assessed in a court...but that doesn’t take from her being a victim...

[Vanessa]

It just annoys me that she protrayed herself as the victim.
Especially when the tapes came out and what I always suspected was true : that's she's a very abusive kind of person.
Now Johnny may not be perfect, but he's not malicious like her.
He may have had to defend himself, but there's nothing wrong with that.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Youtube video

you mean from this documentary?

...yeah, I won’t watch the trailer again, Nicky...but I believe that’s the one...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

So acknowledging his abuse as a court proved fact...also has to acknowledge Amber’s victim of abuse as a court proved fact also fact, also...

No. COMPLETELY disagree.

This was not a domestic abuse trial.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Anyone? I will completely disagree with you there.

Anyone that I've seen then

Absolutely, my point is this case hasn't done anyone any favours, least of all Heard and Depp themselves. It's why I can't fathom the idea of the verdict being good for anyone bar more justification for a biased and cesspit media. But that's just business as usual for the Sun.

God knows why they both didn't just lie low and hoped it would all just blow over.....

Originally Posted by Liam-

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

Well the Sun were on trial for lying about him being abusive and it was found that they weren't lying so

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

No he didn't. They already falsely presented his former marriage as one-sided.

He's always shunned the media. Probably why they were so eager to pile-on.