[arista]

Tomorrow 28/3/23
Starmer will meet with his NEC
to ban Corbyn from being Labour in the
next general election.

He will have to stand as an Independent MP
and then Win his seat.

[Liam-]

He’ll win the seat as an independent

[jet]

Originally Posted by arista

Tomorrow 28/3/23
Starmer will meet with his NEC
to ban Corbyn from being Labour in the
next general election.

He will have to stand as an Independent MP
and then Win his seat.

Good news.

[MTVN]

Isn't it about time he thought about retiring anyway, he'll be mid 70s by the next election

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’ll win the seat as an independent

Yes, they say a easy win for Corbyn
as he helps all the locals

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Isn't it about time he thought about retiring anyway, he'll be mid 70s by the next election

No, there are older ones than him

[arista]

[arista]

Corbyn may try to ignore this
but the NEC has banned him from the Next Election.
He can take them to court.

To be a Independent MP
he has to leave his Labour Party.

[Livia]

He could stand anywhere.... He would never get in again.

[joeysteele]

It is sad.

It was possibly unfortunate that he got elected as Labour leader and was a massive shock to me.
He wasn't and would have never have been my choice.
However, I loved most of his policies and still do.

In 2017 he came close to being PM.
Around 20 seats more and Mrs May would not only have lost her overall majority she'd have been left as the pariah Party particularly on the EU.
The DUP then unable to keep her in power.
With under 300 seats.

Perhaps had he quit after that election things could have been different now.

He will wrongly be tainted by the anti Semitic issue.
I don't believe he's antisemetic, what he is, is wholly supportive of the Palestinians.
That's not being antisemetic.

However, HE as the then leader of the time with Labour looked into by a full Equalities commission investigation.
He should have to, and would HAVE to, accept in full the findings and conclusions and directions from that commission .

This he has not done.
His really strongest supporters would say he's said sorry.
Sorry without action is NOT being sorry.
He has NEVER said he accepts the full result of the Equalities commission investigation.

So this action as to him now sadly has to be more right then wrong.

He's often been a difficult and critical Labour MP of Labour.
Nothing wrong in that.
Parties need more like that.

Perhaps however he does now need to think about just moving on to pastures new.
He would however I think more than likely win the constituency as an Independent.
He's been there coming on 40 years now.
He is widely believed to be a good constituency MP.

He cannot though be accepted by Labour now.
All he had to say was to thank the Commission for their investigation.
Apologise for any failings of his at the time and accept in FULL all the Equalities commission's conclusions and directives.
He hasn't and will not so that's why he's in this situation today.
That then is his choice.
People, foes and friends alike must make what they will of him as to that.

Starmer and the NEC however have acted correctly today in my view.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

Nasty old bastard

[The Slim Reaper]

Huge sign of weakness from Starmer. The only man in politics offering any other kind of solution than a tory one, has been killed by the establishment. Completely undemocratic, and flies in the face of yet another election promise that starmer has reneged on.

No person confident in their arguments or opinions has to do this, and just like we see on here when members have to tell or beg others to leave, it's always because of their own weakness.

Regardless of what you think about Corbyn, anyone interested in the democratic processes of the labour party should not support this.

[Oliver_W]

Is it coming from Starmer himself, or the NEC?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is it coming from Starmer himself, or the NEC?

BOTH

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sad.

It was possibly unfortunate that he got elected as Labour leader and was a massive shock to me.
He wasn't and would have never have been my choice.
However, I loved most of his policies and still do.

In 2017 he came close to being PM.
Around 20 seats more and Mrs May would not only have lost her overall majority she'd have been left as the pariah Party particularly on the EU.
The DUP then unable to keep her in power.
With under 300 seats.

Perhaps had he quit after that election things could have been different now.

He will wrongly be tainted by the anti Semitic issue.
I don't believe he's antisemetic, what he is, is wholly supportive of the Palestinians.
That's not being antisemetic.

However, HE as the then leader of the time with Labour looked into by a full Equalities commission investigation.
He should have to, and would HAVE to, accept in full the findings and conclusions and directions from that commission .

This he has not done.
His really strongest supporters would say he's said sorry.
Sorry without action is NOT being sorry.
He has NEVER said he accepts the full result of the Equalities commission investigation.

So this action as to him now sadly has to be more right then wrong.

He's often been a difficult and critical Labour MP of Labour.
Nothing wrong in that.
Parties need more like that.

Perhaps however he does now need to think about just moving on to pastures new.
He would however I think more than likely win the constituency as an Independent.
He's been there coming on 40 years now.
He is widely believed to be a good constituency MP.

He cannot though be accepted by Labour now.
All he had to say was to thank the Commission for their investigation.
Apologise for any failings of his at the time and accept in FULL all the Equalities commission's conclusions and directives.
He hasn't and will not so that's why he's in this situation today.
That then is his choice.
People, foes and friends alike must make what they will of him as to that.

Starmer and the NEC however have acted correctly today in my view.

He apologised numerous times and accepted the findings, so really weird one this is joey.

We're talking about a party with AS levels lower than the country as a whole. It was nothing more than a smear then, as it remains so now.

I hope the unions and the left pull themselves out of the labour party for good, but they are too weak to do that unfortunately, so will continue to prop up the tory cover band.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is it coming from Starmer himself, or the NEC?

Starmer. The cowardly NEC went along with it.

[Kate!]

I'd 1 million times have Jeremy Corbyn over Keir Starmer the smarmy slimeball.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He apologised numerous times and accepted the findings, so really weird one this is joey.

We're talking about a party with AS levels lower than the country as a whole. It was nothing more than a smear then, as it remains so now.

I hope the unions and the left pull themselves out of the labour party for good, but they are too weak to do that unfortunately, so will continue to prop up the tory cover band.

I've heard him apologise in a general sense but I haven't heard him say he accepts the full conclusions of the Equalities investigation.

I don't see the current Labour Party as you see it now.
In my view it was far more Con like under Blair than now.

I still believe the Labour party has the compassion and sense of fair play balance needed to improve things.

Am I happy with Starmer, no.
Am I happy with all his likely policies, no.

I'm really annoyed he's dumped public ownership of energy and even railways.
I'm furious he intends to ignore an overwhelming vote at conference for PR.

Although a Labour party member, that doesn't mean I agree with all or even much they do.
However for me, this atrocious rotten from the core needs to be well and truly kicked out.
I'll support Starmer to do that, so am sticking with, just about sticking with though, Labour.
Because Labour is the ONLY way to turf this heartless and rotten lot out.
The ONLY way unfortunately.

I rarely like any Party leaders anyhow.
I can't recall a Con or Labour one I have so far in my lifetime.

I know you admire Corbyn and I'll agree he has been wrongly criticised most of the time.
I'm actually sad to see a Labour Party member and an MP for 40 years treated like this.
It's not a win situation at all.
I do wish Starmer had retained, as HE indicated he would, most of the aims of Corbyn's policies.
So I understand your fury and you are justified.

If I lived in say Scotland I'd likely be heading into the SNP fold myself.
Because really the 2 main parties have failed the UK all through.
Since the war, the Cons have governed as lead in governnent for 47 years.
Labour for 30 years.

Loooking through history, the only good government in my view was 1945 to 1951.
With the changes and policies they enacted.

All others have governed and failed in the main.
However under this dinosaur like undemocratic electoral system.
That failure will go on.
This last 13 years however for me should go down as the most incompetent and worst governed period EVER under this shambolic lot.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair the only apology from him that I ever saw included a half-hearted "All Lives Matter".

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've heard him apologise in a general sense but I haven't heard him say he accepts the full conclusions of the Equalities investigation.

I don't see the current Labour Party as you see it now.
In my view it was far more Con like under Blair than now.

I still believe the Labour party has the compassion and sense of fair play balance needed to improve things.

Am I happy with Starmer, no.
Am I happy with all his likely policies, no.

I'm really annoyed he's dumped public ownership of energy and even railways.
I'm furious he intends to ignore an overwhelming vote at conference for PR.

Although a Labour party member, that doesn't mean I agree with all or even much they do.
However for me, this atrocious rotten from the core needs to be well and truly kicked out.
I'll support Starmer to do that, so am sticking with, just about sticking with though, Labour.
Because Labour is the ONLY way to turf this heartless and rotten lot out.
The ONLY way unfortunately.

I rarely like any Party leaders anyhow.
I can't recall a Con or Labour one I have so far in my lifetime.

I know you admire Corbyn and I'll agree he has been wrongly criticised most of the time.
I'm actually sad to see a Labour Party member and an MP for 40 years treated like this.
It's not a win situation at all.
I do wish Starmer had retained, as HE indicated he would, most of the aims of Corbyn's policies.
So I understand your fury and you are justified.

If I lived in say Scotland I'd likely be heading into the SNP fold myself.
Because really the 2 main parties have failed the UK all through.
Since the war, the Cons have governed as lead in governnent for 47 years.
Labour for 30 years.

Loooking through history, the only good government in my view was 1945 to 1951.
With the changes and policies they enacted.

All others have governed and failed in the main.
However under this dinosaur like undemocratic electoral system.
That failure will go on.
This last 13 years however for me should go down as the most incompetent and worst governed period EVER under this shambolic lot.

The motion didn't even mention As and was about the election results of 2019, in which more people voted for him than Milliband, Blair in 05, and Brown. Miliband now part of Starmers team. Everything that was thrown at Corbyn regarding Stalinist purges and factionalism is happening now, and if decent centrist labour folks like yourself accept that any mp can be removed on the whim of the current leader, against the wishes of his constituency, then you can't also claim to believe in the democracy of the party. I will never vote labour again, because labour doesn't want people who believe in democratic socialist ideals. A truly sad day for the party.

Starmer is an absolute fraud who is about as dishonest as Johnson if we look at everything he said versus reality. so if you want to support this, then be prepared to keep moaning (in the good sense) about starmer going back on even more things he's said. You know he's a liar, because you're interested in politics and specifically labour. He will walk the next election on the back of the tories; as would Corbyn, as would Milliband, as would Brown, but his tory impression isn't going to inspire anyone to give him a second term. Acting like a tory only works for tories, and voters will opt for the real thing. You know about the Forde report and the labour files, and that's what makes your compliance with this even more confusing. As smears were first thrown at Milliband and his Da - Corbyn was the only one to go on TV and defend them both. Milliband said in 2018 that he knew JC wasn't an AS, and yet went on TV today to lie about AS being the reason for the motion.

The tory party has collapsed, so this is the very time he could offer hope to voters that a fairer society is on the way, instead he's going on about cannabis smoke ruining lives. Fcuk me, what an inspiring message - We'll be harsher on everyone than the tories. He's trailing in the poll against Sunak about who will make the better PM, so everyone knows they will have to vote for him because tories need a stint on the subs bench, but he's not offering any kind of vision that is making people want to vote for him.

I'm glad you mentioned 45-51, because that is the kind of government Corbyn wanted. The one that the "greatest generation" chose after the horrors of WWII. We don't need to be a country of cruelty, we can do better.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The motion didn't even mention As and was about the election results of 2019, in which more people voted for him than Milliband, Blair in 05, and Brown. Miliband now part of Starmers team. Everything that was thrown at Corbyn regarding Stalinist purges and factionalism is happening now, and if decent centrist labour folks like yourself accept that any mp can be removed on the whim of the current leader, against the wishes of his constituency, then you can't also claim to believe in the democracy of the party. I will never vote labour again, because labour doesn't want people who believe in democratic socialist ideals. A truly sad day for the party.

Starmer is an absolute fraud who is about as dishonest as Johnson if we look at everything he said versus reality. so if you want to support this, then be prepared to keep moaning (in the good sense) about starmer going back on even more things he's said. You know he's a liar, because you're interested in politics and specifically labour. He will walk the next election on the back of the tories; as would Corbyn, as would Milliband, as would Brown, but his tory impression isn't going to inspire anyone to give him a second term. Acting like a tory only works for tories, and voters will opt for the real thing. You know about the Forde report and the labour files, and that's what makes your compliance with this even more confusing. As smears were first thrown at Milliband and his Da - Corbyn was the only one to go on TV and defend them both. Milliband said in 2018 that he knew JC wasn't an AS, and yet went on TV today to lie about AS being the reason for the motion.

The tory party has collapsed, so this is the very time he could offer hope to voters that a fairer society is on the way, instead he's going on about cannabis smoke ruining lives. Fcuk me, what an inspiring message - We'll be harsher on everyone than the tories. He's trailing in the poll against Sunak about who will make the better PM, so everyone knows they will have to vote for him because tories need a stint on the subs bench, but he's not offering any kind of vision that is making people want to vote for him.

I'm glad you mentioned 45-51, because that is the kind of government Corbyn wanted. The one that the "greatest generation" chose after the horrors of WWII. We don't need to be a country of cruelty, we can do better.

Hello Slim.
I get your anger at Starmer, as I have it too.
I also get you feel now Labour has failed you and likely will in government too.

That I don't agree on.
I still believe a better degree of fairness and compassion towards vulnerable plusvsi k and disabled will be more forthcoming from Labour than this heartless extreme bunch in now.

I still think the NHS will be better under Labour too.

So I can stick with them for those issues only if that's all they even had.

Immaterial of what the motion contained, my own main gripe with Corbyn is that he has NEVER accepted in full the Equalities commision conclusions AND directives given to deal with antisemetic issues.
He hasn't, and that's sadly for all and for him a fact.

I abhor antisemetism, I was personally got at on here with antisemitic inferences despite from my first understanding what it was, standing against it all my life.

There's NO real democracy in Parties now.
It's all about control.
That's why I now support PR.
It won't solve everything but it should make all Parties more accountable to themselves and the Country.

It's not a real democracy where a Party can get under 44% of the votes cast and get around 56/57% of the seats.
So having complete power over all voters and the Country.

Sunak hasn't made really big inroads to the best PM role.
Starmer never had a big lead over him.
The gap has narrowed from a single figure of 9 points ahead for Starmer to a 3 point lead for Starmer.
All Parties now have the worst possible leaders they could.
Polls change.
Plus figures and statistics can be made to say whatever one or the other want them too.

At present and I don't believe the really high leads for Labour myself.
All that seems to be is Sunak rates far higher than his Party.
While Starmer rates a bit lower than his Party.
They are meaningless though really.

I don't think IF Labour win the next election that it will be a one term situation.
Because Starmer has said PR is not for policy in THIS election.
So I can see him adopting it in the next election's manifesto.

That will unite every other Party in Westminster except the Cons.
I'm willing to wait and see and have that change without too much radical policy changes.
Blair made overtures to PR before he was PM.
He dumped it when he got a 179 overall majority.
Then he squandered a 160+majority after 2001.

Had he brought in PR for 2005.
We may never have had this Con led shambles from 2010, nor Brexit either.

I will use my time in Labour to fight with other members for the protection of the NHS and saving it.
For more compassion to the vulnerable and sick and disabled.

Also to fight for PR too to really shake up politics completely.
I think for the better.
With Parties having to work more closely together.

That's what I'll judge Labour on if it wins power.
Because none of those things will EVER come from this heartless Con party which has just got more power mad and extreme since 2010.

Yes too.
I think the 1945 to 1951 government is more like one needed now.
Definitely.
I'd hoped for that, however it's not at present forthcoming so that's another issue to strive for over the next 5 to 7 years.
In light of whatever the situation in the UK is during that time.

I'm not an admirer of Corbyn though.
His policies yes.
However he too could have adopted PR.
He says he believes in it, his then shadow Chancellor John McDonnell wanted it.
Corbyn threw it out too sadly.
He could have put the Lib Dems in a very difficult position had he adopted in in the 2019 manifesto.

That's my aim from my interest in politics and as a Labour party member.
Strive for PR, see more compassion to the vulnerable, sick and disabled and to build up again the NHS.
None of which the Cons will do or want to do even.

PR however only come from Labour adopting it as policy.
One thing is 100% sure.
The Cons never, EVER will adopt PR.
Because they would never have absolute power again and they know it.

[bitontheslide]

politics is a dirty game. That is the only truth

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

politics is a dirty game. That is the only truth

Hallelujah !!


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

politics is a dirty game. That is the only truth

It is indeed.
However it (politics) and elected politicians affect ALL our lives.

More control from the electorate is what is needed to be and should be put in place in my view.
This outdated, misrepresentative electoral system is one way to start changing things.

Make REAL votes REALLY count.

[Liam-]

Slim is 100% right about everything he says about Starmer and the current version of the Labour Party, his entire running platform is being just like the tories, but a little less bad and a bit more sensible, that is not what this country needs or what the people in this country are calling out for, he’s a snake and a proven liar