[Livia]

Because everyone with a faith is an idiot. I hear it on here day after day as nauseum.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah RSE is generally "agenda free" at the moment.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because everyone with a faith is an idiot. I hear it on here day after day as nauseum.

I don't think everyone who has faith is unintelligent. Some are of course just following what they've been taught generationally without question and that is pretty dumb, but there are of course plenty who have their own individual faith through what I'd describe as (very briefly; it's obviously much more complex) elaborate wishful thinking. If you WANT something to be true badly enough, you can make it make sense.

[Cherie]

From my knowledge parents have always had the right to withdraw their children but this might have changed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't think everyone who has faith is unintelligent. Some are of course just following what they've been taught generationally without question and that is pretty dumb, but there are of course plenty who have their own individual faith through what I'd describe as (very briefly; it's obviously much more complex) elaborate wishful thinking. If you WANT something to be true badly enough, you can make it make sense.

What I understand is this: people without faith really don't understand it and reduce it to the ridiculous.

[Liam-]

Sure, do I think made up religions are more important than important life lessons? Absolutely not, but parents have the right to parent their child how they want to as long as they’re not being abused or put in danger, if parents want to raise their children to be sheltered and repressed by religion? Awful, but that’s their prerogative

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.

Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Sure, do I think made up religions are more important than important life lessons? Absolutely not, but parents have the right to parent their child how they want to as long as they’re not being abused or put in danger, if parents want to raise their children to be sheltered and repressed by religion? Awful, but that’s their prerogative

Again, you're speaking as if you know something people with faith don't. You don't understand it so it's stupid.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

What I understand is this: people without faith really don't understand it and reduce it to the ridiculous.

I understand it, the definition is in the term "faith" - unfounded belief.

Everyone has the right to believe as they believe and live their life as they want to live it, but teaching unfounded claims in schools as anything more than what they factually are ("this is what some people believe") is not an education it's an indoctrination. "God Is Real"/"Trans Women Are Women" ... there's no substantive difference in these statements - but you have no issue at all in insisting that one shouldn't be taught to children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

Someone who makes him happy, that's what she said

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I understand it, the definition is in the term "faith" - unfounded belief.

Everyone has the right to believe as they believe and live their life as they want to live it, but teaching unfounded claims in schools as anything more than what they factually are ("this is what some people believe") is not an education it's an indoctrination. "God Is Real"/"Trans Women Are Women" ... there's no substantive difference in these statements - but you have no issue at all in insisting that one shouldn't be taught to children.

I bet you really love your wife and kids. You won't be able to explain that love but you know it's real. If I asked you to prove it, you couldn't. Your love is real so trans women are real?

For the record, I don't think one religion should be taught in schools. I went to religious school outside normal school hours.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Exactly the opposite; schools should teach observable knowledge and theory and not pander to anti-scientific religious dogma. If parents want their kids to be taught about spooky ghosts in caves and bearded men in the sky (as fact, rather than as myth), they can homeschool or send them to a specific religious school. Fairy tales have no place in a secular state education other than as stories.



I would be concerned if high school sex ed classes actually were "peddling an agenda" but as far as I can tell from actual real-world accounts that isn't happening, or at least, it certainly isn't happening here. Yet? Who knows, but currently it isn't.

So it's ok for kids to be taught men can be women, but not ok to teach them about god. Is that what you agree with?

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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

I said I don't care as long as he is happy so I had actually clarified that already

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

From my knowledge parents have always had the right to withdraw their children but this might have changed

Only primary school children......

Primary schools that choose to teach sex education must allow parents a right to withdraw their children. Unlike sex education in RSE at secondary, in primary schools, headteachers must comply with a parent’s wish to withdraw their child from sex education beyond the national curriculum for science.

Schools will want to draw on the good practice for conversations with parents around the right to withdraw.

Schools must also ensure that their teaching and materials are appropriate having regard to the age and religious backgrounds of their pupils. Schools will also want to recognise the significance of other factors, such as any special educational needs or disabilities of their pupils.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Schools will also want to recognise the significance of other factors, such as any special educational needs or disabilities of their pupils.

Mate try talking to a class of kids with behavioural difficulties about RSE

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So it's ok for kids to be taught men can be women, but not ok to teach them about god. Is that what you agree with?

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It's ok (in fact, important) for kids to be taught that some men call themselves women and personally identify as women, just as it's OK to teach children that some people are religious and believe in various gods (these are facts about the world and society).

It's not OK to teach kids that some men ARE women, or that there IS a god (these are opinions that some believe and some don't).

[parmnion]

Youtube video

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's ok (in fact, important) for kids to be taught that some men call themselves women and personally identify as women, just as it's OK to teach children that some people are religious and believe in various gods (these are facts about the world and society).

It's not OK to teach kids that some men ARE women, or that there IS a god (these are opinions that some believe and some don't).

Got to agree with that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Livia

For balance... Let's not forget all the other religions ithat are MUCH more militant than the Christians. Had to say this because I've seen the Christians take an unfair bashing on here lately when the reality is other religions are far less accepting.

The thing is, Livia, I actually don’t disagree with you about Islam being the most anti-gay religion in the world. The reason I didn’t mention them explicitly is because it kind of almost goes without saying (not that I actively dislike the religion as a whole but in terms of Islamic perceptions of sexuality it’s been a mess from the very start). There’s no doubt about that.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Youtube video

teachers...

[Oliver_W]

Oh yeah these people being paid to educate children, how dare they expect to be paid fairly.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh yeah these people being paid to educate children, how dare they expect to be paid fairly.

and a tiny minority of "union execs" tell them what is "fair" to justify their own jobs

what jobs get a "fair wage"?

bin men
tree-surgeons
hookers
Accountants
Roofers

?

[Oliver_W]

Hardly anyone is getting fair pay rises, hence the mass dissatisfaction and strikes.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Hardly anyone is getting fair pay rises, hence the mass dissatisfaction and strikes.

what is fair after a pandemic and with a war in Europe?

if you never lost a days wage in Pandemic how fair is bleating about wages to those that lost 12 months?

If you sat on your arse at home on full pay pretending to do a day's work in 2 hours?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what is fair after a pandemic and with a war in Europe?

if you never lost a days wage in Pandemic how fair is bleating about wages to those that lost 12 months?

If you sat on your arse at home on full pay pretending to do a day's work in 2 hours?

dont judge SB too harshly