[Crimson Dynamo]

So, if i got this right, Zelah, a biological woman who wants to be known as a
man, (she decided this like 3 years ago at the height of the social contagion
according to that extensive study published yesterday) is going to take an egg
from her womb and transfer it into her girlfriend and then get it fertilized by a
random man and then the girlfriend will give birth to the resultant baby?


At the moment, she cannot have a period due to all the drugs (testosterone)

[thesheriff443]

It’s a head scratcher for the child that produced from this situation

[MTVN]

Yes very strange, two Mums and two Dads for this baby

[Maru]

At least it's not like that one story where the biological man was taking chemicals to stimulate breastfeeding so they can feed their child as a proper mother... never mind subjecting their child to all those hormones...

Zelah, no different than women with any kind of imbalance in hormones, will be more likely have issues with fertility. Long term Birth Control (the pill) alone can cause that or at least a delay in "straightening out"... Post-partum can also shift things also, so getting back to where they were, would maybe have more obstacles than they think. So I can see at least a medical basis for why it might be better for the partner to carry, who isn't on the same hormone regime.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And the poor child would have no Father?

I wonder how Zelah's relationship is with her Father?

[Jordan.]

So if I got this right????

And it's just surrogacy

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

So, if i got this right, Zelah, a biological woman who wants to be known as a
man, (she decided this like 3 years ago at the height of the social contagion
according to that extensive study published yesterday) is going to take an egg
from her womb and transfer it into her girlfriend and then get it fertilized by a
random man and then the girlfriend will give birth to the resultant baby?


At the moment, she cannot have a period due to all the drugs (testosterone)

Not much difference between the before and after. Still looks muscly

[Beso]

Giggity giggity at the right side photo.

[Shaun]

I suppose it must be quite difficult for transgender relationships who want to conceive with their partner and know that the offspring wouldn't ever be able to have both of their parents' DNA.

But then this is also often the case for some heterosexual couples where one or both of them cannot conceive naturally and have to either rely on a surrogate, a sperm donor, or maybe even just skip the whole shebang and adopt. Society usually looks upon such cases with sympathy and compassion. Imagine doing the same for a transgender person, eh!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose it must be quite difficult for transgender relationships who want to conceive with their partner and know that the offspring wouldn't ever be able to have both of their parents' DNA.

But then this is also often the case for some heterosexual couples where one or both of them cannot conceive naturally and have to either rely on a surrogate, a sperm donor, or maybe even just skip the whole shebang and adopt. Society usually looks upon such cases with sympathy and compassion. Imagine doing the same for a transgender person, eh!

You see… your problem is that you’re using logic and critical thinking instead of letting a blind obsessive hatred toward a tiny subsection of society cloud your views because you spend your day echoing other people’s Tweets and now you’re unable to think for yourself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose it must be quite difficult for transgender relationships who want to conceive with their partner and know that the offspring wouldn't ever be able to have both of their parents' DNA.

But then this is also often the case for some heterosexual couples where one or both of them cannot conceive naturally and have to either rely on a surrogate, a sperm donor, or maybe even just skip the whole shebang and adopt. Society usually looks upon such cases with sympathy and compassion. Imagine doing the same for a transgender person, eh!

Isnt that because they have no option

not because they are partaking in a mid-2020s contagion that is not thankfully on the wane?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Isnt that because they have no option

not because they are partaking in a mid-2020s contagion that is not thankfully on the wane?

Where is your proof that the drop in people identifying as trans is due to reduction in social contagion instead of because the world is less safe for trans people than it was a few years ago?

When anti-trans rhetoric begins, when medical care becomes more limited and when society becomes more dangerous then more people will hide their identity. That behaviour has existed forever. Whether it be sexuality, gender expression or left-handedness.

Irrespective, how does this affect you in any way. Like, why is what Zelah does with his egg have any impact on your life. And if you view him as a woman, which you evidently do, why do you think it’s an acceptable to judge what a “woman” does with their own reproductive system? Weird.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Where is your proof that the drop in people identifying as trans is due to reduction in social contagion instead of because the world is less safe for trans people than it was a few years ago?

When anti-trans rhetoric begins, when medical care becomes more limited and when society becomes more dangerous then more people will hide their identity. That behaviour has existed forever. Whether it be sexuality, gender expression or left-handedness.

Irrespective, how does this affect you in any way. Like, why is what Zelah does with his egg have any impact on your life. And if you view him as a woman, which you evidently do, why do you think it’s an acceptable to judge what a “woman” does with their own reproductive system? Weird.

What about the impact on the egg getting shoved from here to there just to be flooded by a load of loveless spunk.


Not the start in life I'd prefer.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

What about the impact on the egg getting shoved from here to there just to be flooded by a load of loveless spunk.

Not the start in life I'd prefer.

Yes because a child has never been created by loveless spunk. /s

The idea a child can’t life a brilliant life, full of love, because of the way it’s conceived is… quite simply rubbish.

The way a child is conceived means nothing for how it’s raised, which is what really matters. Surely you know this.

[Beso]

Of course.

Zelah and his partner would be great parents. Maybe not the best of teachers though. A plus in manners though, I would imagine.

It's not the way I would want my life to start though looking back. That's all I was saying

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Of course.

Zelah and his partner would be great parents. Maybe not the best of teachers though. A plus in manners though, I would imagine.

It's not the way I would want my life to start though looking back. That's all I was saying

Fine, but it’s good to know the egg quality is not impacted by moving it to a carrier.

[Katmieow]

Great post Bbxx

[vesavius]

It's a lot of faffing and fiddling to try and find a way around biological nature, but in the end I guess as long as the home is stable and loving it's fine. By the time the kid is old enough to understand we will probably be pumping out babies from Chinese birthing robots anyhow so it'll seem relatively normal.

If I was in their situation though I would just adopt.

Loads of kids out there need loving homes so spending all that money on this process just to produce one against everything seems selfish and a bit weird, tbh.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Loads of kids out there need loving homes so spending all that money on this process just to produce one against everything seems selfish and a bit weird, tbh.

You can see that about anyone who chooses to have children biologically though. There is not one ‘selfless’ reason to have children biologically.

I mean, would you say that to someone who struggles with their fertility and has IVF?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

You can see that about anyone who chooses to have children biologically though. There is not one ‘selfless’ reason to have children biologically.

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.

Originally Posted by BBXX

I mean, would you say that to someone who struggles with their fertility and has IVF?

I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Thousands and thousands spent on forcing a thing that could be better spent on giving an adopted child a great life.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Eesh. Bye.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Eesh. Bye.

Cya!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.

Why? Why should only people who struggle with fertility or biological nuances be held to the standard of “if you spend money on medical fixes instead of adopting just so you can have a biological child you’re selfish”

Also why are we acting like adoption also doesn’t cost money and time and isn’t a hugely emotional and complex process?

[vesavius]

Oh, you're back!

I thought we had broken up.

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why? Why should only people who struggle with fertility or biological nuances be held to the standard of “if you spend money on medical fixes instead of adopting just so you can have a biological child you’re selfish

Also why are we acting like adoption also doesn’t cost money and time and isn’t a hugely emotional and complex process?

People are free to do what they want and spend their money how they wish, I'm not a Leftist that tries to control what others do in that regard.

I also don't try and control what others do with their bodies, though ofc I reserve the right to have an opinion on it.

So, I am not trying to restrict anyone from doing anything here, just giving my personal perspective on it and stating the route that I would take in the same situation.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

So if I got this right????

And it's just surrogacy

Imagine being triggered by surrogacy though