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Originally Posted by BBXX

You can see that about anyone who chooses to have children biologically though. There is not one ‘selfless’ reason to have children biologically.

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.

Originally Posted by BBXX

I mean, would you say that to someone who struggles with their fertility and has IVF?

I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Thousands and thousands spent on forcing a thing that could be better spent on giving an adopted child a great life.