[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Loads of kids out there need loving homes so spending all that money on this process just to produce one against everything seems selfish and a bit weird, tbh.

You can see that about anyone who chooses to have children biologically though. There is not one ‘selfless’ reason to have children biologically.

I mean, would you say that to someone who struggles with their fertility and has IVF?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

You can see that about anyone who chooses to have children biologically though. There is not one ‘selfless’ reason to have children biologically.

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.

Originally Posted by BBXX

I mean, would you say that to someone who struggles with their fertility and has IVF?

I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Thousands and thousands spent on forcing a thing that could be better spent on giving an adopted child a great life.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Eesh. Bye.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Eesh. Bye.

Cya!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.

Why? Why should only people who struggle with fertility or biological nuances be held to the standard of “if you spend money on medical fixes instead of adopting just so you can have a biological child you’re selfish”

Also why are we acting like adoption also doesn’t cost money and time and isn’t a hugely emotional and complex process?

[vesavius]

Oh, you're back!

I thought we had broken up.

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why? Why should only people who struggle with fertility or biological nuances be held to the standard of “if you spend money on medical fixes instead of adopting just so you can have a biological child you’re selfish

Also why are we acting like adoption also doesn’t cost money and time and isn’t a hugely emotional and complex process?

People are free to do what they want and spend their money how they wish, I'm not a Leftist that tries to control what others do in that regard.

I also don't try and control what others do with their bodies, though ofc I reserve the right to have an opinion on it.

So, I am not trying to restrict anyone from doing anything here, just giving my personal perspective on it and stating the route that I would take in the same situation.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.



I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Thousands and thousands spent on forcing a thing that could be better spent on giving an adopted child a great life.

You mean hundreds of thousands. It's $150~$250K (at least) here since it is elective. We're talking about an extreme luxury that is inaccessible to a vast majority, at least in the US. And that's not even talking about what the financial picture look likes after for parent or child. That's just to give birth.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

You mean hundreds of thousands. It's $150~$250K (at least) here since it is elective. We're talking about an extreme luxury that is inaccessible to a vast majority, at least in the US. And that's not even talking about what the financial picture look likes after for parent or child. That's just to give birth.

staggering amount

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nah, this is clearly not the same as a standard biological birth, so that doesn't work.



I would say 'why not adopt?'

In other words, exactly the same thing.

Thousands and thousands spent on forcing a thing that could be better spent on giving an adopted child a great life.

In fairness, don't they make it really hard for people to adopt kids nowadays?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

In fairness, don't they make it really hard for people to adopt kids nowadays?

I mean, so it should be I guess, but if you are stable, are physically and mentally up to the job, and don't have criminal convictions it is a very viable option.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I mean, so it should be I guess, but if you are stable, are physically and mentally up to the job, and don't have criminal convictions it is a very viable option.

From what I've heard I think that they could lower the requirements slightly.

I mean after all, a kid in this situation is not going to care that one of their parents might be a smoker or slightly overweight, as I have heard some people say that they look for things like that to stop perfectly good people from adopting.