Doctor Who: Series 10 - Discussion Thread [13TH DOCTOR REVEALED]

[Marsh.]

Yeah, me too. Did you say Donna was your favourite?
:flutter: Yes.

[Braden]

:flutter: Yes.

I was randomly comparing reactions to the TARDIS during the episode, and remembered her screaming at David Tennant while wearing a wedding dress :love:

[Marsh.]

When she finds Rose's jacket.

"I knew it! How many more girls have you abducted???"

:joker:

[Braden]

When she finds Rose's jacket.

"I knew it! How many more girls have you abducted???"

:joker:

And then Tennant's somber reaction, "She's gone."

"Gone where?! Popped out for a space walk?"

[Wizard.]

I haven't watched Doctor Who since Matt Smith left, thought I'd watch tonight and it's meh. NOTHING on the Rose & Donna days :flutter:

[Pete.]

It was great :love: :love:

I'm loving all the old series references especially regarding miss Susan

[MB.]

When she finds Rose's jacket.

"I knew it! How many more girls have you abducted???"

:joker:

And then Tennant's somber reaction, "She's gone."

"Gone where?! Popped out for a space walk?"

"Well you're not mating with me sunshine!"

[lewis111]

I haven't watched since Capaldis first episode cause I hated it but watched tonight and was pleasantly surprised, however the clip for future weeks didn't get me that excited

[Braden]

"Well you're not mating with me sunshine!"

I'll never forget:

"I'm waving at fat :wavey:"

[Headie]

The last episode I watched was the first one with Capaldi and Clara, and I thought that was awful. This one was a lot better—I think she's great so far, and I actually want to watch the next episode. I haven't wanted to do that for a while.

Same here, haven't watched since then but really enjoyed tonight's ep and Bill has definitely helped regain my interest

Don't know if I'm a fan of Matt Lucas's character though, he was okay but can see him getting annoying over numerous episodes

[Rob!]

I'm not entirely sure how Moffat thinks that was a good point for new viewers to start watching but I did really enjoy it.
Made me jump loads. Water woman was scary :worry:

[Ashley.]

Considering the state of the last couple of seasons I thought I'd only last ten minutes watching the episode, but I actually really enjoyed it. Still not the same as it used to be, but a big improvement at least.

[Marsh.]

And then Tennant's somber reaction, "She's gone."

"Gone where?! Popped out for a space walk?"
:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

Wow, I'm on the opening scene and I'm SOLD on Bill already. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Bill's foster mum is Johnny's workplace bully from Two Pints.

"We BLEEEEEED!"

[Marsh.]

Slay at Bill getting free tutoring. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Yes, flashback when we see the girl on the bench, because we're too stupid to realise it's the same girl from earlier. :hee:

[Marsh.]

I'm loving this it's like a cross between "Rose" and "School Reunion" but for 2017. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Moffat just getting on with telling a self contained story. :omgno: WHAT IS HAPPENING?

[Marsh.]

The water having a voice is giving me Woogy from Charmed teas.

[Rob!]

Bill is amazing :flutter:

[Marsh.]

I'm actually loving this. :flutter:

No pretentious sh*t, no overcomplicated nonsense. Just a story. :love:

[Marsh.]

That entrance to the Tardis. :amazed:

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

Bill is amazing :flutter:

The show feels so fresh. :clap1:

[Rob!]

I'll hold my questions till Marsh has finished watching because I'm lovely

[Marsh.]

Beautiful boy.

[Marsh.]

Worried about Pearl Mackie yet it's Matt Lucas whose acting is leaving a bit to be desired. :worry:

Pearl's actually great. :flutter:

[Rob!]

I'm not gonna lie though, water woman was the most scary thing to come out the show in a while.

[Rob!]

For me anyway.

[Marsh.]

She looks a bit like the gangers.

Oh, pfft, Daleks, I knew I couldn't love it for too much longer. :bored:

[Rob!]

I'm never here for Daleks appearing in episodes where they have no relevance to the plot. It must be to fill some sort of quota and by the looks of things, it's the lasf time we'll see them whilst Moffat is in charge.

[Marsh.]

Here for this being a worthy sequel to the Tennant/Tate year. :clap1:

Shame Capaldi/Mackie will only get one too.

[Marsh.]

Not John Simm.

[Marsh.]

Ok, HERE FOR IT.

[Rob!]

So..

Was the whole doctor in the photograph of Bill's mum supposed to be relevant?
The alien voice in the puddle?

And why the **** is Matt Lucas still there? He's not been an interesting character since he was introduced!

[Ashley.]

Bill's foster mum is Johnny's workplace bully from Two Pints.

"We BLEEEEEED!"

She was also that one from Martha's season with all those kittens (and a talking cat for a husband but enough about that) x

[MB.]

I assume we're going to find out later on that the Doctor went back in time and took pictures of Bill's mum because she never had any etc etc

[Marsh.]

She was also that one from Martha's season with all those kittens (and a talking cat for a husband but enough about that) x

Oh yeah. :joker:

[Marsh.]

So..

Was the whole doctor in the photograph of Bill's mum supposed to be relevant?
The alien voice in the puddle?

And why the **** is Matt Lucas still there? He's not been an interesting character since he was introduced!

I assume we're going to find out later on that the Doctor went back in time and took pictures of Bill's mum because she never had any etc etc

I didn't even notice the Doctor in the photographs.

[Ashley.]

She was also that one from Martha's season with all those kittens (and a talking cat for a husband but enough about that) x

Oh and she was also Mrs Cratchit in Dickensian for those who care (i.e. Lostie)

[Rob!]

I assume we're going to find out later on that the Doctor went back in time and took pictures of Bill's mum because she never had any etc etc

Aww. That would be sweet :love:

I bet it's not that :idc:

[Ashley.]

I didn't even notice the Doctor in the photographs.

Stevie Wonder who?

[Marsh.]

Aww. That would be sweet :love:

I bet it's not that :idc:

Not Bill's mum posing for pervy old men.

[Marsh.]

Did we actually see the Doctor?

Is it possible we get an episode like Father's Day from series 1 and Bill herself takes the photos?

[Rob!]

I didn't even notice the Doctor in the photographs.

:facepalm:

[Rob!]

Did we actually see the Doctor?

Is it possible we get an episode like Father's Day from series 1 and Bill herself takes the photos?

It was definitely him :laugh:

He was in the reflection of the mirror behind her. Knowing Moffat it'll probably transpire that Nardole is her mother or some ****

[Marsh.]

:facepalm:

:hmph:

[Marsh.]

It was definitely him :laugh:

He was in the reflection of the mirror behind her. Knowing Moffat it'll probably transpire that Nardole is her mother or some ****

From the sounds of it Matt Lucas is there simply because he wants to be and not because Moffat wrote him in. :bored:

[Pete.]

The Daleks have to appear once a year btw, it's a BBC quota

[Marsh.]

Messy quota.

Is it that daft thing where the contract for using them means they have to be used once a year?

[MB.]

It was definitely him :laugh:

He was in the reflection of the mirror behind her. Knowing Moffat it'll probably transpire that Nardole is her mother or some ****

Here for Bill's mum being Marjorie Dawes

[Lostie!]

Oh and she was also Mrs Cratchit in Dickensian for those who care (i.e. Lostie)

:amazed:

Okay now I'm pining for Dickensian again, thanks lot

(still haven't watched this or the Christmas episode oops)

[Marsh.]

That's going on Lostie's tombstone "I still haven't seen the Doctor Who Christmas episode oop".

[Pete.]

Messy quota.

Is it that daft thing where the contract for using them means they have to be used once a year?
It was probably weaved into the rights back when it relaunched. It's the only possible reason for their random appearances in Waters of Mars and Bill's announcement

[Ashley.]

That's going on Lostie's tombstone "I still haven't seen the Doctor Who Christmas episode oop".

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/jestera.gif

[Ashley.]

Oh what on earth happened there

[Lostie!]

Try to mock me at your peril

[Ross.]

Bill is a great addition already :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Ross jumping on the bandwagon. :idc:

[Ashley.]

Well I thought she was good too!

[Marsh.]

Sheep!!!

[Ashley.]

I was sort of surprised at the simplicity of the plot given that Steven Moffat wrote the episode... but then I realised that the point of the episode was probably to showcase diversity within the show given that the entire plot was based around a lesbian relationship.

[Marsh.]

Bill got Heather wet lad. :hugesmile:

[Ross.]

Ross jumping on the bandwagon. :idc:

Oh wow I didn't realise you were the only one entitled to an opinion!

[Marsh.]

Oh wow I didn't realise you were the only one entitled to an opinion!

Welcome to my gracious drawing room.

[Scarlett.]

Great start to the new series, I still really really like Nardole, and Bill might turn out to be good after all!

[Jarrod]

It was probably weaved into the rights back when it relaunched. It's the only possible reason for their random appearances in Waters of Mars and Bill's announcement

Back in 2004, when RTD relaunched Doctor Who, they had trouble getting the rights to the Daleks from Terry Nation's estate. When "Dalek" was written for Series 1, they also had an alternative story ready to go incase they couldn't get the rights. The aliens in the alternative script were later adapted and went on to become the Toclafane in Series 3.

It is a bit silly having to include the Daleks at least once a year. Sometimes they just don't fit! It's nice that they haven't been the central point of the finale episodes for the last couple of years.

[Denver]

Got 4.6 million viewers which is slightly up on the last series

[MB.]

Not bad for an overnight on Easter Saturday

[Denver]

Rumours that Kris Marshall is the next Doctor and has already filmed his 1st scenes

[Denver]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3339851/new-doctor-who-revealed-as-kris-marshall-takes-over-from-peter-capaldi-and-has-already-joined-the-cast/

[MB.]

I refuse to believe it

[Denver]

“Kris Marshall has already joined the cast and will regenerate at the end of this series, not in the Christmas special,” a source told the Mirror.

According to the paper, the BBC has refused to consider a woman for the lead character, with the source adding: “They won’t risk a woman Doctor. They want a David Tennant type.”

[Ashley.]

David Tennant type

Kris Marshall

http://i.imgur.com/CKKMVy6.gif

[Firewire]

Chris Chibnall won't do this to us

[Ashley.]

If David Tennant looked nothing like David Tennant, then sure, he does quite resemble David Tennant

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Kris+Marshall+attends+Few+Best+Men+premiere+nKv3l7 TB2FLm.jpg

[Tregard]

I still feel like Kris is a red herring by the Beeb, getting this leaked *so* early on, and with the negative feedback it's received, would be a complete damp squib.

[Saph]

i liked the first ep, but I agree that the daleks are so boring now, im glad they got their ep out of the way quickly..

[Rob!]

It wasn't even a dalek story though, they just had a fleeting appearance like they did in The wedding of River Song. Doesn't look like they're showing up again this series though

[Marsh.]

What does "I fatted her" mean? :worry: I don't speak lesbian.

I assumed it meant literally made her fat with all the extra chips she gave her.

[Ashley.]

What does "I fatted her" mean? :worry: I don't speak lesbian.

I assumed it meant literally made her fat with all the extra chips she gave her.

So now that's out of the way

[Marsh.]

I like Kris Marshall, but I feel like his type of Doctor we've already seen enough of. He's a safe choice.

Like Capaldi was a risky choice in the new era where the Doctors are all young, I want them to take a risk again and try something different.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the new Doctor has already been chosen. Moffat said this regeneration would be slightly different.

Given the fact that we're going to see Simm's Master and his future incarnation Missy together, I wouldn't be surprised if the current Doctor also has scenes with his next incarnation.

[MB.]

fat
verb
past tense: fatted; past participle: fatted
1. make someone fat

[Marsh.]

So now that's out of the way

She said she kept giving her loads of chips. :oh:

Don't make me out to be a crazy chick. :worry:

[Marsh.]

"Fatted" though, sounds like something a kid says that isn't a proper word.

LEAVE ME ALONE.

[Rob!]

: I don't speak lesbian.

http://pa1.narvii.com/5817/1c43dda18f1574a8449045fb5a912c469c9a1f98_hq.gif

[Wizard.]

I had a dream Billy Piper came back as The Doctor :flutter:

[Wizard.]

Anyone feel like Bill and Heathers lesbianism was really forced cause they only knew each other for 5 minutes

[Rob!]

Anyone feel like Bill and Heathers lesbianism was really forced cause they only knew each other for 5 minutes

No more forced than Clara and Danny tbh

[Marsh.]

Anyone feel like Bill and Heathers lesbianism was really forced cause they only knew each other for 5 minutes

You don't have to get to know someone to fancy them. That's all it was. Bill had a crush on Heather.

[Headie]

Honestly I completely forgot Bill was even gay until the last few minutes when she said "I really liked you"

Weren't they saying the first episode would make it "explicitly clear" that Bill was gay? It felt like the opposite of that to me, the whole episode I was just thinking Bill was a bit of a loner and wanted a best friend in Heather :laugh:

[Rob!]

You don't have to get to know someone to fancy them. That's all it was. Bill had a crush on Heather.

You don't even have to meet them, ammirite Marsh? :smug:

[Wizard.]

Honestly I completely forgot Bill was even gay until the last few minutes when she said "I really liked you"

Weren't they saying the first episode would make it "explicitly clear" that Bill was gay? It felt like the opposite of that to me, the whole episode I was just thinking Bill was a bit of a longer and wanted a best friend in Heather :laugh:

I agree I was like "what she's a rug muncher?"

[Wizard.]

Bills lesbianism filling BBC quotas?

[Marsh.]

You don't even have to meet them, ammirite Marsh? :smug:

Oh you! :fan:

[Marsh.]

Honestly I completely forgot Bill was even gay until the last few minutes when she said "I really liked you"

Weren't they saying the first episode would make it "explicitly clear" that Bill was gay? It felt like the opposite of that to me, the whole episode I was just thinking Bill was a bit of a longer and wanted a best friend in Heather :laugh:

The opening of the episode is her telling the Doctor how she has a massive crush on a woman and then we were treated to that slow mo shot of them at the club like 50 times. :laugh:

[Rob!]

Bills lesbianism filling BBC quotas?

Not homosexuality being on the same contract clause as the Daleks

[Marsh.]

Not homosexuality being on the same contract clause as the Daleks

:joker:

[Denver]

I am like the only person wanting Kris Marshall

[Marsh.]

I wouldn't be disappointed if it was him but I'd prefer someone a bit more unorthodox.

[Headie]

The opening of the episode is her telling the Doctor how she has a massive crush on a woman and then we were treated to that slow mo shot of them at the club like 50 times. :laugh:

Welp I mustn't have been paying attention enough lemme rewatch

[Rob!]

He's been rumoured before to play the Doctor hasn't he?

I dunno. I liked him in my family but I don't think he's that strong an actor tbh

[Saph]

he did the BT commercials too, give him some credit

[Headie]

Bye I just rewatched it and it still wasn't "explicitly clear" lmao it just made Bill sound like a friendly chick

[Headie]

he did the BT commercials too, give him some credit

Not BT

[Rob!]

She does go on about being gay a lot at the start too. Well, not a lot but it's mentioned a few times

[Lostie!]

Given the fact that we're going to see Simm's Master and his future incarnation Missy together, I wouldn't be surprised if the current Doctor also has scenes with his next incarnation.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif

@ my David Suchet hopes

[Headie]

She does go on about being gay a lot at the start too. Well, not a lot but it's mentioned a few times

Does she actually use the words "gay" or "lesbian" cause I swear I never heard it once :laugh: I need to start paying more attention lmao

[Glenn.]

I wouldn't mind Kris as the Doctor tbh.

[Saph]

lizard lesbian and bill to have romance?

[Rob!]

Does she actually use the words "gay" or "lesbian" cause I swear I never heard it once :laugh: I need to start paying more attention lmao

Not those words explicitly no, but she tells a story about a girl she liked at the start (the one who she "fatted") and then the whole Heather thing is basically around the fact that Bill fancied her when they first met.

[Rob!]

lizard lesbian and bill to have romance?

Jenny to scalp Bill's weave?

[Marsh.]

Bye I just rewatched it and it still wasn't "explicitly clear" lmao it just made Bill sound like a friendly chick

:joker:

[Saph]

not 'friendly chick'

[Braden]

I thought they did a really good job depicting Bill's sexuality. I know some people moaned about how enforced it was throughout the episode, but I think that's mainly as a result of fans knowing beforehand and its relevance to the plot.

[Headie]

not 'friendly chick'

A cute gal who gives out extra chips because she's nice x

[MB.]

I can't believe it's taken all these years for Doctor Who to have its first ever friendly chick companion

[Marsh.]

I can't believe it's taken all these years for Doctor Who to have its first ever friendly chick companion

:joker:

[Marsh.]

The complete opposite to Rose who, when she worked in the canteen in School Reunion, was eating the chips.

[Rob!]

And Martha who had a chip on her shoulder

[Braden]

Rose moaned about chips during the finale of the first series, however.

When will the plot-holes end?

[MB.]

And Clara who probably had a doppelganger in the 1740s who invented chips

[Rob!]

One of Clara's incantations being a chip with "bad wolf" burned into it that the Doctor at some point ate

[Marsh.]

And Martha who had a chip on her shoulder

Rose moaned about chips during the finale of the first series, however.

When will the plot-holes end?

And Clara who probably had a doppelganger in the 1740s who invented chips

:joker:

[Ashley.]

Donna suggesting fish and chips that one time because she couldn't be bothered to cook x

[Marsh.]

Donna suggesting fish and chips that one time because she couldn't be bothered to cook x

Treating people even when it's her last wage until she finds a new job. :love:

When will Rob?

[MB.]

Captain Jack Harkness had sex with a chip once

[Marsh.]

Captain Jack Harkness had sex with a chip once

He's an uncooked chip, the FAT POTATO!

[Ashley.]

And the most important chip of all

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/f/fc/Chip.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131015204017

[MB.]

River Song met a chip but their timelines went in opposite directions and then she gave birth to a chip then she married a chip and to be honest I gave up with the second half of series 6

[Rob!]

So that was that

[Marsh.]

MESS!

Who knew the secret success of DW was down to chips. :joker:

[Ashley.]

River Song met a chip but their timelines went in opposite directions and then she gave birth to a chip then she married a chip and to be honest I gave up with the second half of series 6

The second half was better than the first half, and something else about chips etc

[Braden]

Not chips having its own page on tardis.wikia:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Chips

[MB.]

Martha Jones bought some chips for the Tenth Doctor and Jack Harkness while on the run from the Master when he was on Earth. Jack commented that they were "nice" and the Doctor agreed "actually they're not bad."

#content

[Ashley.]

Rose Tyler observes Mickey's warning to "go easy on the chips".

Body shaming in 2006?

[Marsh.]

Me at the direction this thread has taken...

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/0/01/RoseChips.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140902205101

[Ashley.]

After Rose Tyler witnessed the destruction of Earth, the Ninth Doctor took her back to her own time, where she decided to get some chips.

Ugh I can so relate x

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Rob!]

Plus the adipose have a lot to thank Chips for lbr

[Lostie!]

Not chips having its own page on tardis.wikia:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Chips

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

A man with chips was one of several people who were controlled by Miss Kizlet via Wi-Fi to communicate with the Eleventh Doctor.

.

[Rob!]

To everyone on this forum who has a **** sex life:

At least you're not the bloke who wrote the Doctor Who wiki page on chips

[MB.]

:joker:

[Marsh.]

To everyone on this forum who has a **** sex life:

At least you're not the bloke who wrote the Doctor Who wiki page on chips

That's what we all say about your books. :hugesmile:

[Ross.]

Not chips having its own page on tardis.wikia:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Chips

omg bye :joker:

[Rob!]

That's what we all say about your books. :hugesmile:

That doesn't even make sense :oh:

[Firewire]

Lin Blakely has been cast as the Doctor

[Ross.]

"Langer once alleged that "real" chips could only be bought from a chippy. He considered oven chips to be "the work of bad cooking goblins."

me when Rob tries to make a nice home cooked meal

[Will.]

Not chips having its own page on tardis.wikia:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Chips

To everyone on this forum who has a **** sex life:

At least you're not the bloke who wrote the Doctor Who wiki page on chips

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Greg!]

Rumours that Kris Marshall is the next Doctor and has already filmed his 1st scenes

Bye

[Greg!]

Phoebe Waller-Bridge is still the Bookies' fave and I'm kind of here for that :clap1:

[Ross.]

not a crisp wikia as well

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Crisp

[Ross.]

Clara Oswald liked crisps.

Oh wow I'm shook

[Will.]

Really like last nights episode! It was nice to have a rather simple storyline.

Bill is amazing, she reminds me of the companions in David Tennant era's.

[Marsh.]

Lin Blakely has been cast as the Doctor

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[MB.]

Crisps, known as chips in the United States, (TV: Dead of Night) were, according to the Eighth Doctor, a "highly salted" and "processed" potato snack.

Wow I can't believe the Eighth Doctor invented crisps

[Marsh.]

Oh wow I'm shook

:laugh3:

[Will.]

Is there a fish fingers and custard page?

[Greg!]

While they were on the run during Miracle Day, Gwen Cooper went to a petrol station to buy food, but all they had was crisps.

Screaming I forgot all about miracle day. It was good but kind of a massive mess

[Ross.]

Is there a fish fingers and custard page?

A MESS there is

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Fish_custard

[MB.]

I think we're underestimating the number of pages that there are on this site

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dorito

[Will.]

A MESS there is

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Fish_custard

BYE

[Ross.]

I think we're underestimating the number of pages that there are on this site

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dorito

:joker:

[Ashley.]

The fish fingers were actually coconut breaded cakes.

Anyway

[Will.]

I think we're underestimating the number of pages that there are on this site

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dorito

I'm the tramp

[Ross.]

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sugababes

Miss Lucie Miller had taste :clap1:

[Ashley.]

I'm guessing I'm a little slow on realising that Bill was named after William Hartnell

[MB.]

I'm beginning to suspect that this website just copied its articles from the actual Wikipedia

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Gangnam_Style

[Marsh.]

I'm guessing I'm a little slow on realising that Bill was named after William Hartnell

She's named after Dame Billie Piper.

[Lostie!]

Oh wow I'm shook

:laugh2:

[MB.]

Actually Bill's named after a pot

[Mokka]

I'm not gonna lie though, water woman was the most scary thing to come out the show in a while.

Waters of Mars was much scarier... David Tennant era.
Those water people are freaky

[Rob!]

Waters of Mars was much scarier... David Tennant era.
Those water people are freaky

Aww it's nice to have newbies join the thread :)

[Mokka]

Aww it's nice to have newbies join the thread :)


http://68.media.tumblr.com/3ae169ace61a06d4adcb70beddb65581/tumblr_on93yfPvdy1utpccwo4_250.gif

[Tom4784]

I thought it was okay, Bill doesn't seem too interesting so far but hopefully that will change and I really aren't that keen on Matt Lucas' character.

The Vault seems like it could be an interesting Season long arc, I'd assume it contains some sort of time device or prison that has the ability to recall old dead enemies which would explain the return of the old Cybermen and John Simms' Master.

[Sticks]

Honestly I completely forgot Bill was even gay until the last few minutes when she said "I really liked you"

Weren't they saying the first episode would make it "explicitly clear" that Bill was gay? It felt like the opposite of that to me, the whole episode I was just thinking Bill was a bit of a loner and wanted a best friend in Heather :laugh:

For the BBC that is explicit, remember they don't want to frighten the horses.

I mean have you ever seen a darlek shoot a horse?

As for the next doctor, are the bookies giving odds on nobody - series cancelled? :hee::devil:

[Ronald.]

Loved this. Great family entertainment and Bill is fun. R.

[Headie]

Which upcoming artist is heavily underrated and deserves more recognition?

https://youtu.be/_Q_vvmIds7U?t=1m31s

[Pete.]

Well isn't that wizard?

[Marsh.]

Which upcoming artist is heavily underrated and deserves more recognition?

https://youtu.be/_Q_vvmIds7U?t=1m31s

Not Emmerdale's Rishi being the bastard boss.

[Marsh.]

For the BBC that is explicit, remember they don't want to frighten the horses.

I mean have you ever seen a darlek shoot a horse?

As for the next doctor, are the bookies giving odds on nobody - series cancelled? :hee::devil:

You're kind of obsessed pal.

[Jarrod]

For the BBC that is explicit, remember they don't want to frighten the horses.

I mean have you ever seen a darlek shoot a horse?

As for the next doctor, are the bookies giving odds on nobody - series cancelled? :hee::devil:

You are very obsessed with the new series being cancelled. This isn't 1989.

[user104658]

Just watched today - quite enjoyed it tbh :shrug:. Pleasantly surprised. Bill wasn't as bad as I expected and they seem to have improved the Nardole character a bit too... more of a real fleshed out character and less of a caricature. They've made him more quirky / eccentric but clearly not actually stupid... whereas in the previous appearances he was just two dimensional and daft.

[Jarrod]

Promos for Smile:

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[Morgan.]

This series looks/is approximately 107% better than the last two combined.

[Marsh.]

I enjoyed series 8, but I AGREE.

[Rob!]

I loved series 8 and most of series 9 tbh. The first half anyway

[MB.]

I'll have to re-watch series 9 to really have any idea what to make of it (*cough* I'm talking to you, Netflix *cough*)

But yeah, series 8 was my favourite since 5, maybe even the Tennant era

[Morgan.]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/18/the-first-time-lord-will-become-peter-capaldis-sidekick-in-special-doctor-who-christmas-episode-6580811/#mv-a

The 1st Doctor (played by David Bradley) will return in the Christmas Special to 'help out' Peter Capaldi

[Scarlett.]

I wonder if he will meet his granddaughter again? o:

[Jarrod]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/18/the-first-time-lord-will-become-peter-capaldis-sidekick-in-special-doctor-who-christmas-episode-6580811/#mv-a

The 1st Doctor (played by David Bradley) will return in the Christmas Special to 'help out' Peter Capaldi

I like the idea, but I don't like the idea of David Bradley playing the 1st Doctor again. It's silly but in my eyes David Bradley didn't play The Doctor, he played William Hartnell playing The Doctor, if that makes sense? It would ruin the illusion of Doctor Who.

Am I making sense?

[Greg!]

I loved series 8 and most of series 9 tbh. The first half anyway

Series 8 was TRASH I'm sorry to say. So was 6 and 7 and most of 9

[Greg!]

I like the idea, but I don't like the idea of David Bradley playing the 1st Doctor again. It's silly but in my eyes David Bradley didn't play The Doctor, he played William Hartnell playing The Doctor, if that makes sense? It would ruin the illusion of Doctor Who.

Am I making sense?

I know exactly what you mean! Also I'm sick of multi doctor stories altogether, the 50th special should have been a one off

[Marsh.]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/18/the-first-time-lord-will-become-peter-capaldis-sidekick-in-special-doctor-who-christmas-episode-6580811/#mv-a

The 1st Doctor (played by David Bradley) will return in the Christmas Special to 'help out' Peter Capaldi

I wonder if he will meet his granddaughter again? o:

I wonder if anything will be left as a surprise or if we will get every tiny surprise spoiled before we've even started watching the series properly yet.

I like the idea, but I don't like the idea of David Bradley playing the 1st Doctor again. It's silly but in my eyes David Bradley didn't play The Doctor, he played William Hartnell playing The Doctor, if that makes sense? It would ruin the illusion of Doctor Who.

Am I making sense?

Yes. I get you. He was playing William Hartnell.

But then they had Matt Smith appear in that episode as "the Doctor" rather than Matt Smith so the fourth wall was already exploded.

[MB.]

Robot of Sherwood and In the Forest of the Night were the only parts of series 8 that were trash

[Greg!]

Robot of Sherwood and In the Forest of the Night were the only parts of series 8 that were trash

MESS at the whole of the earth turning into a forest and no one even caring.

[Greg!]

OMG series 8 also had that mental bloody episode where the Moon was an egg or something. That was a new low

[Glenn.]

That was a great episode

[Glenn.]

The moon egg one I mean

[Sticks]

The science behind that one was rubbish and non existence

[Rob!]

The science behind that one was rubbish and non existence

But you're fine with the concept of a man who can change all his structural DNA whenever he dies flying around in a blue box throughout time and space?

[user104658]

But you're fine with the concept of a man who can change all his structural DNA whenever he dies flying around in a blue box throughout time and space?

I understand what you're saying here but for me the element of "suspension of disbelief" is important. Mine can go pretty far, to be fair, I watch a lot of sci-fi that doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny, BUT I draw the line when it doesn't stand up to plain old logic.

The moon egg episode... I was fine with. Totally fine with. I actually thought it was really good, in fact, and a hugely imaginative concept... but the end ruined it.

Because it left behind another egg, than was exactly the same size as the first egg, as a replacement moon.

So the thing hatched, a newborn space creature, and then left behind an egg the same size as the one it literally just hatched out of. Wut! It laid something the same size as it's entire body. The concept is ridiculous. They should have come up with another explanation like... I dunno... it leaves behind some invisible gravitational force so that the earth doesn't go into chaos, and then the humans replace the moon with some sort of projection or hologram from then on so that people don't panic. Still pretty out there but at least feasible.

[MB.]

So this is on

[Rob!]

Meh. It was alright.

[Denver]

It was terrible episode

[Wizard.]

I only caught the last five minutes but it seemed truly dire and next week looks even worse. No chemistry whatsoever

[MB.]

Well I watched the whole thing and it wasn't bad :)

[Rob!]

:)

:worry:


I'd have preferred it if they'd stuck with the dystopian "everyone has to be happy" theme instead of...whatever the ending was about.

[Will.]

I quite liked it, well it probably has been the most watchable episode I've seen over the last few years.

Next week looks absolutely crap.

[MB.]

:worry:


I'd have preferred it if they'd stuck with the dystopian "everyone has to be happy" theme instead of...whatever the ending was about.

Yeah, there were definite issues (I mean, this is the guy who wrote the worst non-series 2 episode of nuWho, so I don't think anyone had particularly high expectations), such as the ending and the fact that Bill seemed to know everything one minute and nothing the next, but as far as character-building episodes between the Doctor and the companion go, it was pretty fun

[Marsh.]

The science behind that one was rubbish and non existence

Yeah, the majority of science depicted in the show is non existent my love. It's called fiction for a reason.

[MB.]

(I should probably add a :) to that too)

[Ashley.]

I don't know, I enjoyed it. The ending seemed a little too "let's just make up a bunch of words and terms that would make sense if they did make sense, rather than a satisfying conclusion that would make sense and does make sense."

(To sum up, the ending was a little bit like that sentence)

[Headie]

Yeah I enjoyed the episode but the rushed ending and randomly simple resolution was a tad anti-climatic. Still really enjoying Bill though and look forward to next week (and glad that Matt Lucas has seemingly been left behind for a few episodes)

:)

[Rob!]

There were some great ideas and the production value was pretty bloody good. It looked amazing.

[MB.]

As long as Bill's characterisation is a little more consistent than "I was able to figure out the entire future of my planet from a couple of pictures on a slideshow but I couldn't possibly guess what's in these hundreds of cryogenic freezers I'M EVER SO UMBLE I JUST SERVE CHIPS", then I'm optimistic about the rest of the series

[MB.]

Though parts of me did wonder if Frank Cottrell-Boyce had just watched the first and last episodes of Black Mirror series three and decided "eh, that'll do"

[Rob!]

It was certainly better than his last episode but I don't know if he should really get another Who episode.

[Ashley.]

Though parts of me did wonder if Frank Cottrell-Boyce had just watched the first and last episodes of Black Mirror series three and decided "eh, that'll do"

:laugh:

[Glenn.]

It was ok ish episode. The production was great. Story was a little to be desired. Still really like Bill

[Sticks]

Yeah, the majority of science depicted in the show is non existent my love. It's called fiction for a reason.

I have written fiction (You can find some examples on this forum) but there are rules like internal consistency and rules for when you have to do things which as far as we know are impossible, like faster than light travel or in my case shifting between different worlds (Special devices either magic from a world where magic exists or fabricated machines as in our world) I also made use of real high end physics theories, like M-Theory as progression from string theory and the many worlds hypothesis.

That episode of Doctor Who broke them.

The one Sci-Fi show I hear that stuck to real world physics was Stargate-SG1 so it can be done.

[Saph]

It started off really well but it got a bit 'ugh' after the humans woke up and the doctor went on another rant about war etc

should've just let the robots kill them all tbh

[user104658]

I have written fiction (You can find some examples on this forum) but there are rules like internal consistency and rules for when you have to do things which as far as we know are impossible, like faster than light travel or in my case shifting between different worlds (Special devices either magic from a world where magic exists or fabricated machines as in our world) I also made use of real high end physics theories, like M-Theory as progression from string theory and the many worlds hypothesis.

That episode of Doctor Who broke them.

The one Sci-Fi show I hear that stuck to real world physics was Stargate-SG1 so it can be done.

Stargate has a couple of minor slips too but, to be fair, considering it ran for a total of 17 seasons (about 400 episodes) over three shows a couple of mis-steps isn't too bad. A sort of jarring one that stands out for me was when they introduced the idea that matter was stored in a buffer as data in each gate and could be retrieved later (in an SG1 episode) though they did keep that constant from then on e.g. The galactic bridge forwarding data from gate to gate in SGA. It wasn't impossible sci-fi BUT it did contradict some of the established lore about how the Stargate worked from before that point, minorly breaking the established rules. Also it should never have introduced time travel into the equation; I feel like that was a major mistake for the franchise, and the supposed science (wormhole intersecting a supernova / black hole I think?) was... Flimsy, to say the least. I also just generally don't think time travel fit well with the tone of the show.

Being fair to Doctor Who, it doesn't actually break its own rules THAT often, however it is very guilty of employing "deus ex machina" and frequently inventing NEW "science" to further the plot. I've even softened my stance on the gender swapping regens, as I'm rewatching old ones at the minute and Matt Smith's Doctor actually mentions another time lord being "a woman a couple of times". I mistakenly thought Missy was the first it was mentioned, but apparently not.

[Scarlett.]

I have written fiction (You can find some examples on this forum) but there are rules like internal consistency and rules for when you have to do things which as far as we know are impossible, like faster than light travel or in my case shifting between different worlds (Special devices either magic from a world where magic exists or fabricated machines as in our world) I also made use of real high end physics theories, like M-Theory as progression from string theory and the many worlds hypothesis.

That episode of Doctor Who broke them.

The one Sci-Fi show I hear that stuck to real world physics was Stargate-SG1 so it can be done.

Like Star Wars, Doctor Who is Sci-Fantasy.

[Headie]

I'm a tad bored if the whole 'lets spend 40 minutes running from aliens and robots trying to work out how to defeat them and then solve it all in the last 5 mins by pressing a button on the sonic screwdriver' narrative they seem to rely on

[Rob!]

4.25m for last night. Safe to say this isn't the ratings juggernaut it once was.

[user104658]

4.25m for last night. Safe to say this isn't the ratings juggernaut it once was.
What is, though. Live telly is dying.

[MB.]

Well, Britain's Got Talent for one

[MB.]

(but I don't see anything to be overly worried by)

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I wouldn't be too worried. The live ratings have been declining for years and the BBC don't seem to be panicking about it.

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(About 2:25 in) Steven Moffat spins this somewhat to make it sound like the BBC keep Doctor Who on air because they love the show- my guess is that it's so profitable, they could lose quite a lot of viewers and it wouldn't make much difference.

[Marsh.]

I have written fiction (You can find some examples on this forum) but there are rules like internal consistency and rules for when you have to do things which as far as we know are impossible, like faster than light travel or in my case shifting between different worlds (Special devices either magic from a world where magic exists or fabricated machines as in our world) I also made use of real high end physics theories, like M-Theory as progression from string theory and the many worlds hypothesis.

That episode of Doctor Who broke them.

The one Sci-Fi show I hear that stuck to real world physics was Stargate-SG1 so it can be done.

Let me stop you there, what you write or what Stargate did is irrelevant.

Doctor Who is a sci-fi fantasy and rarely uses actual real scientific theories. It's also ran for 54 years and constantly broken its own rules.

But I'm sure that's just another reason it's going to be cancelled imminently. You know, they've gone to the trouble of hiring Chris Chibnall so.

[Marsh.]

Enjoyed it fine but it was very Black Mirror and Black Mirror did it better. Sorry chaps.

[Scarlett.]

Enjoyed it fine but it was very Black Mirror and Black Mirror did it better. Sorry chaps.

I did like that a basic programming error nearly caused the end of human kind, its an interesting thing to think about, with all the discussion of AI these days.

[user104658]

I did like that a basic programming error nearly caused the end of human kind, its an interesting thing to think about, with all the discussion of AI these days.
It's been done to death though... I mean, it's also the core plot device of "Age of Ultron" (programmed to defend earth, realises that humans are destroying earth, concludes humans must die) and that's hardly the first time.

[armand.kay]

The last ep was a great start but it only plummeted from there I think the up until when they discovered the pods was the down fall. Like the resulution was so abrupt and simple it really pissed me off tbh.

[user104658]

The last ep was a great start but it only plummeted from there I think the up until when they discovered the pods was the down fall. Like the resulution was so abrupt and simple it really pissed me off tbh.
It didn't make a huge amount of sense either... Like "Yeah I know they killed your loved ones and also you only have my theory that they'll play nice to go on now so they might still grind you all to bits in your sleep but... Oh well... Sleep tight bye now."

Like, they were indiscriminately killing people. Some guy comes along and SAYS he's "fixed" them but are you really going to do anything other than live in terror... Hoping that they don't start randomly killing again?

[armand.kay]

It didn't make a huge amount of sense either... Like "Yeah I know they killed your loved ones and also you only have my theory that they'll play nice to go on now so they might still grind you all to bits in your sleep but... Oh well... Sleep tight bye now."

Like, they were indiscriminately killing people. Some guy comes along and SAYS he's "fixed" them but are you really going to do anything other than live in terror... Hoping that they don't start randomly killing again?

Yeah like it would of been so much better if it ended up being something shady going on. Also making it so they were now living beings was just so stupid to me. Like if they stayed with the whole robots malfunctioning thing, surely it would of made more sense had the doctor just sorted out the problem and they were back to normal but with precaution put in so they can never kill people again. Rather than telling the people "oh they're now living being and will probably attack if they feel threatened" like wtf?

Also off topic but I feel like the show should of ended just before the robots killed the little boy, the show should of just ended on that cliffhanger and there be more to the story next ep.

[MB.]

So that episode was basically Oliver on Ice, yes?

Next week looks good

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Tonight was good but not amazing. Next week looks fantastic- I can't wait to watch it with the special audio.

[MB.]

It also felt a bit "what if Kill the Moon but Dickensian" (plus a bit of... I don't know, what's another episode where they set a giant creature free? The Beast Below?) to me, but yeah, I enjoyed it

[AProducer'sWetDream]

It also felt a bit "what if Kill the Moon but Dickensian" (plus a bit of... I don't know, what's another episode where they set a giant creature free? The Beast Below?) to me, but yeah, I enjoyed it

Yeah it was bascially the Beast Below set in the past. Still, I love the Doctor/Amy relationship in that episode (even if the ep wasn't great in other departments) and I thought the Doctor/Bill relationship shone here.

[Marsh.]

That end sequence with the creature reminded me of French and Saunders using buckets of water to simulate the Titanic sinking in that sketch. :joker:

The creature is thrashing in the Thames and the doctor and Bill looked like they'd stood too close to someone splashing in the bath. Lmao.

[Marsh.]

Am I the only one who got Pinocchio vibes from the period setting and a creature under water? Lmao. It must have been the sequence showing its eye open was reminiscent.

[Scarlett.]

Pretty solid episode this week :D

[armand.kay]

Great episode, the best so far! Honestly I'm plesantly surprised from the preview I wasn't expecting much but I really did enjoy it. Next week looks pretty good.

[Saph]

It was cute, it felt very season 1/2, especially at the end when the kids lived happily ever after

although bye @ how unfazed Kitty was when her friend died in front of her

[Rob!]

That was a lot better than the preview suggested. The whole racism thing was really nicely written too.

3.96m for last night though :/

[Tom4784]

I thought it was good, not memorable in the long run and far too similar to episodes like 'The Beast Below' but good. I'm really liking Bill as a character.

[MB.]

I spent most of that trying to work out where I knew Shireen from (turns out it was Some Girls)