Doctor Who: Series 10 - Discussion Thread [13TH DOCTOR REVEALED]

[Denver]

Same i would not have considered Jodie at all i expected a geeky looking girl like Pheobe

[MB.]

jemima. :clap1:

"SHE ****lNG DIED, MISS MONEYPENNY! SHE ****ING DIED BEFORE MY EYES!"

[MB.]

Refusing to date the male equivalent of a Bond girl because he's too dark-skinned for her :love:

[Sticks]

Still not a ginger then...

[Denver]

thank god

[Marsh.]

Still not a ginger then...

Actually Series 11: Episode 1 will see The Doctor at the salon experimenting with ginger highlights.

[Marsh.]

People speculating the next screwdriver will be a sonic tampon. :skull:

[Ross.]

People speculating the next screwdriver will be a sonic tampon. :skull:

Bye

[LukeB]

People speculating the next screwdriver will be a sonic tampon. :skull:

It to flash red?

[BBUK-Fan]

They're gonna bring back the sonic lipstick. Ffs

[Marsh.]

I can't wait for the next revelation. She might be female in appearance but she still has a dick?

Just to keep the idiots happy.

[LukeB]

They're gonna bring back the sonic lipstick. Ffs

Why do you have an issue with it?

[Ross.]

They're gonna bring back the sonic lipstick. Ffs

Wow iconic :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Why do you have an issue with it?

The argument consists of James Bond being male.

No, I don't think that's at all relevant either.

[MB.]

BBUK-Fan has a grand total of three women in his BB favourites list and one of them is Kerry Katona, why are we surprised

[LukeB]

The argument consists of James Bond being male.

No, I don't think that's at all relevant either.

Mess.

As far as i'm aware The Doctor is said to be an alien which gives us nothing about the gender and we have women doctors anyway.. i don't get the fumes. It's not like it doesn't make sense.

[Jarrod]

They're gonna bring back the sonic lipstick. Ffs

This wouldn't be correct in terms of the story as the sonic lipstick was given to Sarah-Jane as a gift by The Doctor, so this is incorrect.


Fantastic casting news, she was fantastic in Broadchurch so I expect nothing less than amazing from her in Doctor Who.

[Cal.]

BBUK-Fan has a grand total of three women in his BB favourites list and one of them is Kerry Katona, why are we surprised

You leave Kerry Jayne Elizabeth Katona OUT of this.

[Cal.]

They should have brought Donna back and killed the doctor off yes?

[Cal.]

Does anyone remember the episode they brought loads of companions back to fight the Daleks?

Ultimate BB who, I hear you ask?

[Jason.]

I don't care about Doctor Who, I'm just here for the drama

http://i.imgur.com/yRBMe6w.gif

[MB.]

Does anyone remember the episode they brought loads of companions back to fight the Daleks?

Ultimate BB who, I hear you ask?

Miss Harriet Jones was the true trailblazer :clap1:

[Morgan.]

I was half expecting a surprise and for the Doctor to regenerate into the body of one of his past companions (Bill, Clara etc) for some odd reason but I'm extatic at this choice.

[Sticks]

One of my female acquaintances has told me she is never watching it ever again as Moffat has destroyed it. The Doctor should be a man according to her.

So it is not just guys opposed to this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its been fcking awful for years

terrible complicated insufferable storylines

wankish namby-pamby writers who are so up their own arses it bleeds over every script

this panderation is the final straw

cancel this utter **** now

[BBUK-Fan]

BBUK-Fan has a grand total of three women in his BB favourites list and one of them is Kerry Katona, why are we surprised

Why does it matter who my BB favourites are. Just because I have my opinion so keep out. :nono:

[MB.]

I hope they make this Doctor extra religious, too :love:

[Tom4784]

I'm obviously here for this.

The meltdowns are ridiculous, It's been established ever since Missy was introduced that Timelords can switch gender when they regenerate and nothing about the Doctor's character is dependent on him being male. To be upset when EVERY Doctor is essentially a reboot to the series is silly. The Doctor doesn't have to be a certain age, race or gender.

[Sticks]

Even before Missy, it was established that Time Lords could switch gender, in the Matt Smith episode when an entity took over the TARDIS

The problem here, is that this upsets a standard dynamic.

As I observed before, one of the most angry reactions against this move has come from a woman I know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

im laughing at fans choking on their horlicks trying to justify the end of the whole idea in a pc wankfest of doom

one series and the its cancelled for good

:laugh2:

[MB.]

Yeah, imagine justifying a woman, ghastly things

[Greg!]

Miss Harriet Jones was the true trailblazer :clap1:

Omg RIP queen :(

One of my female acquaintances has told me she is never watching it ever again as Moffat has destroyed it. The Doctor should be a man according to her.

So it is not just guys opposed to this.

Tell ha Moffat is leaving.

[Glenn.]

I can't wait. I'm thrilled that it's Jodie. She was incredible in Broadchurch.

[Tregard]

The really *iffy* sticking point of all the criticism is that every single point about The Doctor's gender can be applied to The Doctor's race, too.

"But the Doctor has always been male/white, it just seems like pandering to the PC brigade to change the Doctor from being male/white."

Once you start splitting hairs on the anatomical fixtures of a shape-shifting alien, you can really put yourself into some deep holes.

This isn't to say the Doctor needs to be all things, female/POC/gay/disabled etc., but these shouldn't be reasons for someone NOT to be The Doctor.

What I think is really interested is where they go for 14. Would it be stranger to go back to male, or to remain female?

[Wizard.]

Why are geeks literally fuming over a female Doctor when they probably wank off to Clara and Princess Laia (God rest her soul)

[user104658]

Even before Missy, it was established that Time Lords could switch gender, in the Matt Smith episode when an entity took over the TARDIS


Yeah I thought the first mention was Missy when she first came into it, but then I was rewatching the Smith era and noticed that one. He's talking about another "legendary" timelord and says something like; "him... Or her, a couple of times..." establishing ages before Missy that gender switching is a thing.


I'm also a bit 50/50 on whether a female doctor will actually work, worried it might feel a bit forced, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt :shrug:

[Underscore]

Yesss really optimistic about this new doctor.

Time to get Peter Capaldi/Matt Smith/David Tennant in the house tho

[armand.kay]

I'm sceptical a female doctor would work, I can't see her lasting long but who knows I might be wrong...

Also bye at a female doctor before a black one when the girls and boys have been asking for one for decades.

[armand.kay]

As much as I'm not over the moon at a female doctor THANK GOD she arrived after Moffat left, his 'powerful female' characters were getting tedious.

[Jamesy]

I think this is a bit of a risk given the show needs a boost in viewers right now, not something that will split the audience further. I hope It works out though.

With this, I hope we see a change with companions. Either a man and woman duo, or an alien companion. We've had Earth girls for 12 years, since the show is taking a bold move with the Doctor it's time to do the same with companions.

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[Underscore]

Why are geeks literally fuming over a female Doctor when they probably wank off to Clara and Princess Laia (God rest her soul)

Ikrrr theres a special place in hell for sexists like get in the bin how does ur genitalia change how you will be

[user104658]

I'm sceptical a female doctor would work, I can't see her lasting long but who knows I might be wrong...

Also bye at a female doctor before a black one when the girls and boys have been asking for one for decades.
Yeah to be fair I always found that even weirder. Like, not swapping gender made a sort of sense, if he "identified as male" and always regenerated as male... But the COMPLETE lack of any sort of racial diversity is strange. Not even necssarily specifically black, but even a hint of any other or mixed race... Still none in sight.

[MB.]

Well, William Hartnell was black... and white

[MB.]

And Colin Baker was multicoloured!

[Lostie!]

Gender aside, I'm also actually really pleased it's someone I haven't seen in something else, it's always great to discover new actors and actresses and I've only heard high praise for her performance in Broadchurch.

[Marsh.]

Even before Missy, it was established that Time Lords could switch gender, in the Matt Smith episode when an entity took over the TARDIS

What does Suranne Jones playing the TARDIS have to do with it?

[Marsh.]

Yeah to be fair I always found that even weirder. Like, not swapping gender made a sort of sense, if he "identified as male" and always regenerated as male... But the COMPLETE lack of any sort of racial diversity is strange. Not even necssarily specifically black, but even a hint of any other or mixed race... Still none in sight.

The last 50 years the Doctor has had an obsession with the white population of London, England in the modern day.

He spends a lot of time in the 21st century for someone who can go anywhere and anywhen.

[MB.]

I hope 13 is what Miss Quill from Class could have been :love:

[Marsh.]

Somebody on DS saying "What next? Female Cyberman?" obviously missing the various times women have been turned into Cybermen including Bill in the final episode which aired, what, two weeks ago?

[Marsh.]

I hope 13 is what Miss Quill from Class could have been :love:

Omg YES. :love:

[Pete.]

Here for Jodie hope she delivers :clap1:

[Marsh.]

One of my female acquaintances has told me she is never watching it ever again as Moffat has destroyed it. The Doctor should be a man according to her.

So it is not just guys opposed to this.

Erm.... this isn't Moffat's decision.

[Marsh.]

im laughing at fans choking on their horlicks trying to justify the end of the whole idea in a pc wankfest of doom

one series and the its cancelled for good

:laugh2:

Why does it need to be justified?

The only argument I see for the Doctor staying male is that James Bond doesn't change sex. But James Bond isn't an alien who physically transforms into an entirely different person so the comparison is null and void.

[Morgan.]

Somebody on DS saying "What next? Female Cyberman?" obviously missing the various times women have been turned into Cybermen including Bill in the final episode which aired, what, two weeks ago?

Someone on my fb wall said 'what next - cyber men with boobs and daleks getting vajazzled'

I said, in regards to the cybermen comment, you should've watched torchwood as there's was a cyberman with boobs.

[user104658]

The last 50 years the Doctor has had an obsession with the white population of London, England in the modern day.

He spends a lot of time in the 21st century for someone who can go anywhere and anywhen.

True although I'd actually say that's been significantly less in the Smith and Capaldi eras... And probably had more to do with the cost of doing anything else :joker:. Sets, prosthetics and CGI can be done convincingly and relatively cheaply these days so there's a lot more future / space stuff.

All of his companions tend to be young and from contemporary England though. That is a bit odd. I mean, even Scottish Amy was only Scottish by accent - living in an English town.

[Wizard.]

Someone on my fb wall said 'what next - cyber men with boobs and daleks getting vajazzled'

I said, in regards to the cybermen comment, you should've watched torchwood as there's was a cyberman with boobs.

Omg I remember :joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

True although I'd actually say that's been significantly less in the Smith and Capaldi eras... And probably had more to do with the cost of doing anything else :joker:. Sets, prosthetics and CGI can be done convincingly and relatively cheaply these days so there's a lot more future / space stuff.

All of his companions tend to be young and from contemporary England though. That is a bit odd. I mean, even Scottish Amy was only Scottish by accent - living in an English town.

It's probably the age old - "The viewers need someone they recognise to relate to" but I actually wouldn't mind an alien companion.

Which is why I remember being so intrigued by Jenna Coleman's shock appearance in Asylum of the Daleks. I thought we were finally getting an otherworldly companion.

[user104658]

What does Suranne Jones playing the TARDIS have to do with it?
No no he's right, Smith Doctor talks about one of his old Time Lord friends (the one that the distress call is supposedly from) and he mentions that this Time Lord has been both male and female in the past.

[Marsh.]

No no he's right, Smith Doctor talks about one of his old Time Lord friends (the one that the distress call is supposedly from) and he mentions that this Time Lord has been both male and female in the past.

:clap1: Good old Matt pointing it out!

[user104658]

Somebody on DS saying "What next? Female Cyberman?" obviously missing the various times women have been turned into Cybermen including Bill in the final episode which aired, what, two weeks ago?
Cybermen convert everyone so surely 50% of Cybermen are Cyberwomen? :think:

I mean, they don't have reproductive systems anyway so they're technically neither.

[Scarlett.]

The really *iffy* sticking point of all the criticism is that every single point about The Doctor's gender can be applied to The Doctor's race, too.

"But the Doctor has always been male/white, it just seems like pandering to the PC brigade to change the Doctor from being male/white."

Once you start splitting hairs on the anatomical fixtures of a shape-shifting alien, you can really put yourself into some deep holes.

This isn't to say the Doctor needs to be all things, female/POC/gay/disabled etc., but these shouldn't be reasons for someone NOT to be The Doctor.

What I think is really interested is where they go for 14. Would it be stranger to go back to male, or to remain female?

Well, in Hell Bent, we did see the general, a white male regenerate into a black woman (although she did then mention that the Male General was actually the only male regeneration she had)

[Scarlett.]

No no he's right, Smith Doctor talks about one of his old Time Lord friends (the one that the distress call is supposedly from) and he mentions that this Time Lord has been both male and female in the past.

Also, when 10 regenerates into 11, he momentarily thinks he is now a woman because of the hair. Hell if you want to go even further back, the charity parody, The Curse of Eternal Death has the Doctor regenerating into Joanna Lumley

[Marsh.]

Cybermen convert everyone so surely 50% of Cybermen are Cyberwomen? :think:

I mean, they don't have reproductive systems anyway so they're technically neither.

Well exactly. LT just makes no sense. :nono:

[Lostie!]

Somebody on DS saying "What next? Female Cyberman?" obviously missing the various times women have been turned into Cybermen including Bill in the final episode which aired, what, two weeks ago?

Poor forgotten Cyberwoman Lisa

[Scarlett.]

Omg YES. :love:

Since Class probably wont be coming back, I'd love Quill to appear in the main show.

[Marsh.]

l6YC8G4Rf7k

:unsure:

BITTER BITCH

[Denver]

jWcwEo9BnEw

Mess at a self proclaimed feminist hating it

[Oaker]

Her saying that real fans didn't want it to be a woman :umm2:

[Glenn.]

Gender aside, I'm also actually really pleased it's someone I haven't seen in something else, it's always great to discover new actors and actresses and I've only heard high praise for her performance in Broadchurch.

Literally just watch Broadchurch. She's an incredible actress :love:

[Ashley.]

Somebody on DS saying "What next? Female Cyberman?" obviously missing the various times women have been turned into Cybermen including Bill in the final episode which aired, what, two weeks ago?

http://junkspace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cyberman-woman.jpg

[user104658]

http://junkspace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cyberman-woman.jpg

FFS. ****ing cosplayers :joker:

[Denver]

And the BBC sci-fi's new showrunner Chris Chibnall has revealed that he always wanted to cast a woman as The Doctor.

"After months of lists, conversations, auditions, recalls and a lot of secret-keeping, we're excited to welcome Jodie Whittaker as the Thirteenth Doctor," he said.

"I always knew I wanted the Thirteenth Doctor to be a woman, and we're thrilled to have secured our number one choice.

[Ross.]

http://junkspace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cyberman-woman.jpg

Me

[MB.]

http://junkspace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cyberman-woman.jpg

Nina Bo'nina Brown has gone too far this time

[user104658]

One thing I do think is important though, is that she doesn't play the doctor as feminine. I don't think it matters whether The Doctor is male or female, for the character, but a major reason for that is that The Doctor is not masculine. He's not some big gruff blokey bloke... if anything, he's almost "effeminate" (I know this is no longer a PC term :joker: ) in a lot of his mannerisms, especially Smith and Capaldi, but even Tennant and Eccleston. In fact it made the "Doctor Donna" scenes quite fascinating as she mirrored Tennant's Doctor-mannerisms really convincingly, without her seeming masculine or him feminine.

So long as they stick with that I don't think the biological gender will matter much at all. Despite those videos ranting about how The Doctor "is male!", he's not actually a very "male" character at all.

[Ross.]

Queens

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[armand.kay]

jWcwEo9BnEw

Mess at a self proclaimed feminist hating it

It's not really a feminist issue tho is it. Im sick of people making out that anyone who's not too keen on a female doctor being branded as sexist.

[Headie]

l6YC8G4Rf7k

:unsure:

BITTER BITCH

"I'm very sleepy, and I have to go vote against the government"

Screaming

[Headie]

"I can now reveal that the winner of Big Brother 2017 is.... ELLIE!"

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

[Ashley.]

"I can now reveal that the winner of Big Brother 2017 is.... ELLIE!"

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

Oh you made a GIF as well

http://i.imgur.com/fCpWoQ7.gif

[Marsh.]

"I can now reveal that the winner of Big Brother 2017 is.... ELLIE!"

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

Oh you made a GIF as well

http://i.imgur.com/fCpWoQ7.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

[Denver]

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[Jarrod]

It'd be a travesty not to bring River Song back next series.

[Marsh.]

Yeah. We've yet to have her meet a Doctor she didn't recognise.

[Rob!]

I just want Christmas to come and go so that we can get started on this. I'll miss Capaldi so much, I actually prefer him to Smith and I loved Smith but this is such a new era for the show. :cheer2:

[user104658]

Yeah. We've yet to have her meet a Doctor she didn't recognise.
She didn't recognise Capaldi! That was like... The plot of the whole episode. She thought he was some random human doctor and even "stole" the TARDIS with him, letting slip that she "does it all the time and he never knows". Also gives that big speech about him not realising he's stood right next to her (then realises).

Your memory is terrible sir!

I don't think she had ever seen Tennant before her first episode either, as in theory that episode would follow the final time she saw Capaldi, and she had otherwise only seen Smith. She did realise who he was straight away that time, but at first thought he was an older (than Capaldi) Doctor before realising "how young" he was (the youngest she had ever seen him). And she "died" in that episode, so their first/last meeting.

However she is still alive with her consciousness stored in the Library, so it's feasible that they could devise a way to bring her back into a physical body at some point.

[Ashley.]

I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat had already planned on bringing River back for the Christmas special, given that it's his final episode. But going against the popular opinion I'd prefer it if they left River in the past, since her story is complete now.

[Jarrod]

I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat had already planned on bringing River back for the Christmas special, given that it's his final episode. But going against the popular opinion I'd prefer it if they left River in the past, since her story is complete now.

If he insists on bringing Clara back into the mix after what feels like decades with her in the first place, we can at least have River for 5 minutes more :fist:

[Marsh.]

She didn't recognise Capaldi! That was like... The plot of the whole episode. She thought he was some random human doctor and even "stole" the TARDIS with him, letting slip that she "does it all the time and he never knows". Also gives that big speech about him not realising he's stood right next to her (then realises).

Your memory is terrible sir!

I don't think she had ever seen Tennant before her first episode either, as in theory that episode would follow the final time she saw Capaldi, and she had otherwise only seen Smith. She did realise who he was straight away that time, but at first thought he was an older (than Capaldi) Doctor before realising "how young" he was (the youngest she had ever seen him). And she "died" in that episode, so their first/last meeting.

However she is still alive with her consciousness stored in the Library, so it's feasible that they could devise a way to bring her back into a physical body at some point.
Oop. :worry:

But tbf the only thing I can bloody remember from that episode is Matt Lucas losing his head.

[user104658]

If he insists on bringing Clara back into the mix after what feels like decades with her in the first place, we can at least have River for 5 minutes more :fist:
I dunno, Clara (along with Missy) is pretty much a defining part of the Capaldi era, like much more so than Bill and Nardole who are more optional extras. River, despite appearing first in a Tennant episode and last in a Capaldi episode, is very much a Smith-era character along with Amy and Rory.

[Scarlett.]

If he insists on bringing Clara back into the mix after what feels like decades with her in the first place, we can at least have River for 5 minutes more :fist:

Bringing Clara back for a quick scene makes sense, Rose appeared in 10's last episode, Amy appeared in 11's last episode, only makes sense for Clara to do the same.

[BBUK-Fan]

"I can now reveal that the winner of Big Brother 2017 is.... ELLIE!"

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

The way TV is going following the **** 13th doctor reveal, Ellie will win.

[BBUK-Fan]

Can't wait for 13th doctor to regenerate. Can she or it regenerate in the series 11 opener? That would be great, thanks.

[Greg!]

Can't wait for 13th doctor to regenerate. Can she or it regenerate in the series 11 opener? That would be great, thanks.

Oh don't be such a negative nancy.

[BBUK-Fan]

Oh don't be such a negative nancy.

Oh ok, how about capaldi regenerates into 13 and then she regenerates into a male for number 14 so everyone forgets Jodie Whittaker ever existed?

[LukeB]

Oh ok, how about capaldi regenerates into 13 and then she regenerates into a male for number 14 so everyone forgets Jodie Whittaker ever existed?

why does it matter so much?

[Wizard.]

l6YC8G4Rf7k

:unsure:

BITTER BITCH

"I just feel like this is going to make the 'long live the vagina' people happy" :skull:

[BBUK-Fan]

why does it matter so much?

Before I watched big brother, doctor who was my thing and my favourite show and I admired and loved it for so long until they ruin the 54 year legacy. Bring Moffat back and keep Peter Capaldi!

[Jarrod]

Before I watched big brother, doctor who was my thing and my favourite show and I admired and loved it for so long until they ruin the 54 year legacy. Bring Moffat back and keep Peter Capaldi!

You're being quite the ignorant idiot about all of this.

[BBUK-Fan]

You're being quite the ignorant idiot about all of this.

Not really. My opinion is my own so butt out.

[Jarrod]

Not really. My opinion is my own so butt out.

I'm entitled to have an opinion about your opinion. The Doctor is not restricted to being a man so the "legacy" being ruined is a silly remark. Whittaker will do a fantastic job.

Were you like this with The Master becoming Missy? Missy turned out to be one of my favourite characters throughout Capaldi's run, and I have no doubt that Whittaker will make a fantastic Doctor.

[BBUK-Fan]

I'm entitled to have an opinion about your opinion. The Doctor is not restricted to being a man so the "legacy" being ruined is a silly remark. Whittaker will do a fantastic job.

Were you like this with The Master becoming Missy? Missy turned out to be one of my favourite characters throughout Capaldi's run, and I have no doubt that Whittaker will make a fantastic Doctor.

Missy was great but the fact they rammed the whole "time lords can be females" thing down our throats with that and then the General in Hell Bent. They shouldn't need to change it to a female because people who have watched the show for longer than the revival will know it was a male and should always be a male. There's no need to make it a female. PC has gone mad nowadays.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Missy was great but the fact they rammed the whole "time lords can be females" thing down our throats with that and then the General in Hell Bent. They shouldn't need to change it to a female because people who have watched the show for longer than the revival will know it was a male and should always be a male. There's no need to make it a female. PC has gone mad nowadays.

Please don't assume you speak on behalf of everyone who's watched it since before 2005. I watched the reveal with some members of my family- from 17 to 70 years old- and nobody seemed to mind the casting.

For what it's worth, I am absolutely delighted with the decision. It's really exciting and will really make the show seem fresh. Jodie Whittiker is a phenomonal actress and here's hoping she makes a great thirteenth Doctor.

[BBUK-Fan]

Please don't assume you speak on behalf of everyone who's watched it since before 2005. I watched the reveal with some members of my family- from 17 to 70 years old- and nobody seemed to mind the casting.

For what it's worth, I am absolutely delighted with the decision. It's really exciting and will really make the show seem fresh. Jodie Whittiker is a phenomonal actress and here's hoping she makes a great thirteenth Doctor.

I don't speak on behalf of everyone. I speak on behalf of the people that don't believe casting a female actress to play a male role is right. Seems everything is becoming female, I mean just look at the female ghostbusters movie. What a flop that was but if it was the other way around, nobody wants a male version of everything. All this feminism stuff is getting a bit ridiculous now.

[Jarrod]

I don't speak on behalf of everyone. I speak on behalf of the people that don't believe casting a female actress to play a male role is right. Seems everything is becoming female, I mean just look at the female ghostbusters movie. What a flop that was but if it was the other way around, nobody wants a male version of everything. All this feminism stuff is getting a bit ridiculous now.

That's the thing, it's not a male role. The role was never specifically a male role. It's nothing to do with feminism? It's showing diversity in the world of Doctor Who and is something that will breath fresh air into the show.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I don't speak on behalf of everyone. I speak on behalf of the people that don't believe casting a female actress to play a male role is right. Seems everything is becoming female, I mean just look at the female ghostbusters movie. What a flop that was but if it was the other way around, nobody wants a male version of everything. All this feminism stuff is getting a bit ridiculous now.

Ok but you literally said "people who have watched the show for longer than the revival will know it was a male and should always be a male", which kinda suggests you know what they all think and that those of us who like the idea are only fans of the revived series. I've been a fan of the show for as long as I can remember and have watched most of the existing classic episodes.

As for the Ghostbuster analogy, it's not really relevant, is it? I thought the movie was pretty crap. But it's quality was down to the poor writing. Just like if Jodie Whittiker is not sucessful, it will be down to poor stories or acting ability, not the fact that she's a woman. In addition, there have been sucessful recastings of male parts: Judi Dench as M in James Bond, for example.

[BBUK-Fan]

Ok but you literally said "people who have watched the show for longer than the revival will know it was a male and should always be a male", which kinda suggests you know what they all think and that those of us who like the idea are only fans of the revived series. I've been a fan of the show for as long as I can remember and have watched most of the existing classic episodes.

As for the Ghostbuster analogy, it's not really relevant, is it? I thought the movie was pretty crap. But it's quality was down to the poor writing. Just like if Jodie Whittiker is not sucessful, it will be down to poor stories or acting ability, not the fact that she's a woman. In addition, there have been sucessful recastings of male parts: Judi Dench as M in James Bond, for example.

I'm only quoting what people have said to me. The whole ghostbuster analogy is just to show that people continuously insist there should be a female version of this and that but you never see anyone suggest a male version of something. I will give her a chance but I just don't like the fact the whole 'time lords can be female' thing has been rammed down our throats too many times now. I do agree with Judi Dench being successful but I do agree with what you are saying so let's leave it be. :wavey:

[Denver]

It's a ****ing alien that can change into what it wants not a human being for can't believe people are so pathetic

[Ashley.]

It's a massive change for anyone who's been a fan of the show for quite some time so the backlash is understandable. The backlash would've been even bigger had we not already seen Missy. HOWEVER, I do think people should reserve their judgements until we've actually seen Jodie Whittaker in the role. Like I said, it's a massive change, but let's wait before we blame it on feminisation.

[BBUK-Fan]

It's a massive change for anyone who's been a fan of the show for quite some time so the backlash is understandable. The backlash would've been even bigger had we not already seen Missy. HOWEVER, I do think people should reserve their judgements until we've actually seen Jodie Whittaker in the role. Like I said, it's a massive change, but let's wait before we blame it on feminisation.

I'll agree with you on that one.

[Tom4784]

Oh ok, how about capaldi regenerates into 13 and then she regenerates into a male for number 14 so everyone forgets Jodie Whittaker ever existed?

Imagine being this shook over a woman being cast as an alien that regenerates into different people every time they die.

[Ashley.]

They'll probably throw in a male companion anyway for common ground.

[BBUK-Fan]

They'll probably throw in a male companion anyway for common ground.

That would be fair though tbh

[lewis111]

The only thing one understand people being annoyed about is that it took this long for a woman to be cast
The number should be somewhere near even but we've only had 1 woman and 12 guys

I also don't like the whole "WHAT NEXT JANE BOND" like maybe who cares

[Tom4784]

They'll probably throw in a male companion anyway for common ground.

I reckon we'll get multiple companions again, Pearl Mackie never got a goodbye video like Michelle Gomez and Matt Lucas did so I think they're planning to bring her back but I think she'll likely play second fiddle to whoever will be the new companion.

I do agree that the main companion is likely going to be male though, Regardless of who's playing what role, they'll want a main male and female.

[Lostie!]

Companion Kris is coming?

[Denver]

James Bond will never be a woman unless its a total remake

[Jarrod]

I reckon we'll get multiple companions again, Pearl Mackie never got a goodbye video like Michelle Gomez and Matt Lucas did so I think they're planning to bring her back but I think she'll likely play second fiddle to whoever will be the new companion.

I do agree that the main companion is likely going to be male though, Regardless of who's playing what role, they'll want a main male and female.

Footage/Images of Pearl on the set of the Christmas special appeared online

[Rob!]

Footage/Images of Pearl on the set of the Christmas special appeared online

I think we all expected her to at the very least appear in the Christmas special. What her role will be beyond that remains to be seen. I want her to stay though :(

[Scarlett.]

I'd love for Captain Jack to return lol

[Marsh.]

Before I watched big brother, doctor who was my thing and my favourite show and I admired and loved it for so long until they ruin the 54 year legacy. Bring Moffat back and keep Peter Capaldi!
Because it having a 54 year legacy obviously hinges on the lead having a dick.

And tbh I'd even hazard a guess that a large portion of its popularity since it came back in 2005 is because of the popularity of the companions. Billie Piper, Catherine Tate, Karen Gillan all just as much as popular and played a part in the quality of the show as much as Smith, Tennant or Capaldi.

[Marsh.]

Missy was great but the fact they rammed the whole "time lords can be females" thing down our throats with that and then the General in Hell Bent. They shouldn't need to change it to a female because people who have watched the show for longer than the revival will know it was a male and should always be a male. There's no need to make it a female. PC has gone mad nowadays.
There's no need for the Doctor to change at all. They could just make each actor a different Time Lord. But that's the show so get over it.

The show has changed pretty much every part of itself many times to survive over 54 years and this is a change it has not experimented with thus far and if the show is in desperate need of anything it's a major overhaul.

And if done right, this could turn the shows fortunes around.

Trying to replicate a past era would not have worked.

[user104658]

I'd love for Captain Jack to return lol
Jack to show up and have sex with the new Doctor, because they established him as an equal opportunities lothario and then made him full gay.

Justice 4 pansexuals

[user104658]

I love that people can accept Capaldi slowly tunnelling through like 20 feet of solid diamond using only his fists, but The Doctor regenerating into a female is a stretch too far. :joker:

[Marsh.]

I love that people can accept Capaldi slowly tunnelling through like 20 feet of solid diamond using only his fists, but The Doctor regenerating into a female is a stretch too far. :joker:
:joker:

[Marsh.]

"I don't want to go!"

Tennant saw it coming.

[BBUK-Fan]

There's no need for the Doctor to change at all. They could just make each actor a different Time Lord. But that's the show so get over it.

The show has changed pretty much every part of itself many times to survive over 54 years and this is a change it has not experimented with thus far and if the show is in desperate need of anything it's a major overhaul.

And if done right, this could turn the shows fortunes around.

Trying to replicate a past era would not have worked.

Changing the main character to a female is a stretch too far. End of the matter

[Marsh.]

Changing the main character to a female is a stretch too far. End of the matter

It's not a stretch at all though.

The Doctor has a 100% physical transformation every single time.

And, no, you don't get to say when the end of the discussion is. Don't be so bloody rude!

[Jarrod]

Changing the main character to a female is a stretch too far. End of the matter

"End of matter" - Sorry, others have an opinion too :shrug:

[MB.]

Bill's coming back for the Christmas special :amazed:

[MB.]

(it's called Twice Upon a Time)

[Jarrod]

That new trailer was epic!

[Oaker]

Pearl Mackie just confirmed that Christmas is her last episode and she won't be back for Series 11 :(

[Morgan.]

:(

[Jarrod]

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[Ashley.]

Mark Gatiss. :skull:

[Greg!]

Mark Gatiss has played about 5 characters in this show now :skull:

The episode looks good though! Can't wait for the regeneration. I hope Jodie has a few lines at the end.

[Jarrod]

Meanwhile, at Torchwood

SqlkakGwXRE

[Rob!]

So Bill is gone after Christmas?

God Moffat is ****.

[Greg!]

So Bill is gone after Christmas?

God Moffat is ****.

It probably wasn't his decision to be fair.

[Ashley.]

I assume Chibnall could have kept her on for another season if he wished but probably wanted to start from a blank canvas.

[MB.]

The End of Time - Tennant, RTD leave
The Time of the Doctor - Smith leaves
Twice Upon a Time - Capaldi, Moffat leave

I'm sensing a theme here :think: (not to mention that Smith and Moffat's first episode was also time-related)

[Scarlett.]

From what I understand Mark Gatiss is also leaving, so him appearing in this is something of a thank you for him, I don't mind him appearing anyway, he's a decent actor. I think Bill leaving is probably for the best, her story is pretty much done, I ended up liking her a lot more than I expected.

[Jarrod]

From what I understand Mark Gatiss is also leaving, so him appearing in this is something of a thank you for him, I don't mind him appearing anyway, he's a decent actor. I think Bill leaving is probably for the best, her story is pretty much done, I ended up liking her a lot more than I expected.

That's interesting actually as Gatiss has acted and wrote episodes for RTD and Moffat.

[Rob!]

The End of Time - Tennant, RTD leave
The Time of the Doctor - Smith leaves
Twice Upon a Time - Capaldi, Moffat leave

I'm sensing a theme here :think: (not to mention that Smith and Moffat's first episode was also time-related)

(They're kind of all time related)

[MB.]

(They're kind of all time related)

(I was talking specifically about the episode titles you wally)

[Headie]

I'd love for Captain Jack to return lol

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

[Denver]

https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

Me when Debs doesnt win BB

[Ashley.]

Was Series 9 any good?

[MB.]

I'm waiting for it to arrive on Netflix before I can make a balanced judgement, but I'll be really unhelpful and say... kind of and also kind of not? There are definitely some stand-out stories and of course it's completely subjective (if you're a fan of majority two-parter, darker, heavily Moffatian episodes and lots and lots of Clara then you might love it), but something about it just felt... off and not very Who-like for me at the time. I might change my opinion completely when I re-watch but the whole Ashildr plot and Clara's prolonged farewell tour, plus the thought of episodes like Sleep No More make me hesitant. I know the critics absolutely loved it though, so -shrug-

[Marsh.]

So, Netflix are addressing the missing episodes. The End of Time and other 2009 specials have been uploaded.

[BBUK-Fan]

So, Netflix are addressing the missing episodes. The End of Time has been uploaded.

I loved The End of Time :cheer2:

[Marsh.]

Well, The Time of the Doctor/Day of the Doctor are in the wrong place, but everything else is there and in the correct order to Christmas 2014.

[Wizard.]

The Chase is on :hehe:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bradley-walsh-revealed-doctor-who-11028647

[Morgan.]

The Chase is on :hehe:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bradley-walsh-revealed-doctor-who-11028647

****ing mESS why have they ruined the amazing Jodie Wittakera announcement with Bradley Walsh :joker:

[Marsh.]

Omfg is this real???

























:laugh2:

[MB.]

Anne Hegerty to play a Slitheen? :fc:

[MB.]

(tbf if this is real, I'm sure the reaction to the announcement that the girl who sang Because We Want To would be playing Rose Tyler was one of just as much confusion)

[Morgan.]

Anne Hegerty to play a Slitheen? :fc:

:joker:

[Morgan.]

I'll definitely remain open minded about it. The show is taking enough of a risk to boost it all in a new direction so I want to see how it pays off. Fair play if they pull this off though.

[Ross.]

NOT Bradley Walsh

[Marsh.]

saladfingers going off on one as usual on DS. :rolleyes: What a twat.

[Shaun]

he's already on TV too much as it is :( uuuuugh

[Rob!]

I'm actually fully behind this if it's true. Fair play to Chibnall - he's not even started filming his episodes yet and the show is already getting the biggest kick up the arse it's had since RTD started.

[Ashley.]

Shame, I was really hoping for someone better looking and thirty years younger else.

http://i.imgur.com/FE10aeD.gif

[Ross.]

I'm actually fully behind this if it's true. Fair play to Chibnall - he's not even started filming his episodes yet and the show is already getting the biggest kick up the arse it's had since RTD started.

Anyway

[Rob!]

Anyway

Oh shut up.

[Scarlett.]

I wonder if its possible we're getting more than one companion? I actually quite like the idea of Bradley Walsh in the show.

[user104658]

I wonder if its possible we're getting more than one companion? I actually quite like the idea of Bradley Walsh in the show.

She could have a whole entourage of male companions... Bradley Walsh, Kris Marshall, the human Tennant doctor, Nardole, Capt. Jack, Iain Glen trailing at the back referring to her as Dr Khaleesi ...

[edited to add]

Just realised I would totally watch that show...

[Firewire]

NOT Bradley

[Oliver_W]

She could have a whole entourage of male companions... Bradley Walsh, Kris Marshall, the human Tennant doctor, Nardole, Capt. Jack, Iain Glen trailing at the back referring to her as Dr Khaleesi ...

[edited to add]

Just realised I would totally watch that show...

Sounds very New Tricks :D

[Tom4784]

I don't buy it. An older companion would be nice but one that could act would be better.

[user104658]

I don't buy it. An older companion would be nice but one that could act would be better.I dunno, they kept Rose for years :think:.

[Ashley.]

I dunno, they kept Rose for years :think:.

:joker:

[Greg!]

Bit late to the party but I wish it to be known that this is my reaction to the Bradley Walsh rumours.
https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

[Oliver_W]

tbh I'd rather Bradders play the Doctor than Jodie, but I'm sure he'll be a fine companion

[Saph]

Bit late to the party but I wish it to be known that this is my reaction to the Bradley Walsh rumours.
https://uploadir.com/u/k11phs49

me

[Firewire]

922214897013985281

Lmao Brad :love:

[Tom4784]

Not Bradley Walsh.

[Glenn.]

Kinda here for it

[RileyH]

Mandip <33

and Bradley :love:

[Denver]

Not them pinching 2 Hollyoaks teens who back were murdered

[Greg!]

Ok I don't mind the concept of Bradley Walsh being a companion now since he's not the only one. So excited for Series 11! The show is better with a larger cast

[Denver]

They have not actually named them as companions

[MB.]

Sharon D. Clarke (Holby/West End actress) is also going to be a "series regular"

[Denver]

Sharon D. Clarke (Holby/West End actress) is also going to be a "series regular"

Makes me think they are gonna go with a different companion each episode and not all the time and bring them together a few times

[Scarlett.]

I like the idea of The Doctor having a team, rather than just the one companion, will hopefully mean no more 'chosen one' storylines lol

[Marsh.]

It's probably going to be similar to a "UNIT" team of regulars. Probably a bunch of students and their teachers.

Merging the axed Class with Doctor Who. :fan:

But 10x50 minute episodes. So they haven't cut the episode order to have longer episodes but it is an actual budget cut. Not a good sign. :worry:

[MB.]

Mandip Gill's almost 30 so playing a school student would be a bit of a push

[Marsh.]

Mandip Gill's almost 30 so playing a school student would be a bit of a push

Most school students on TV usually are.

In fact, she only left Hollyoaks two years ago and was playing an 18 year old.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Why did they release this news at this time? I'm thinking there was a leak.

But anyway comedians have a good track record in Doctor Who so I'm pretty happy about Bradley Walsh. Idk the other two but I love the idea of going back to several companions all at once.

[Marsh.]

Why did they release this news at this time?

Probably because filming is due to start any day now.

[Ant.]

NOT Bill having her own reveal video on telly while these three get announced at half 10 in the night on a tweet. Budget cuts or do they not want Jodie's acting as doctor revealed yet?

[Marsh.]

NOT Bill having her own reveal video on telly while these three get announced at half 10 in the night on a tweet. Budget cuts or do they not want Jodie's acting as doctor revealed yet?

Bill is the only companion who has ever had an introduction clip like that though.

They only did that to break up the wait between series 9 and 10.

[Rob!]

NOT Bill having her own reveal video on telly while these three get announced at half 10 in the night on a tweet. Budget cuts or do they not want Jodie's acting as doctor revealed yet?

I don't think Amy Pond got a reveal video did she?

[Ant.]

I don't think Amy Pond got a reveal video did she?

No companion has besides Bill I believe?

It's not so much the video that's the deal imo, it's the fact they announced it at half 10 on a Sunday night, which just seems... bizarre and out the blue. No build up, it just came out on where at such an odd time

Bill is the only companion who has ever had an introduction clip like that though.

They only did that to break up the wait between series 9 and 10.

Oh wow I forgot the long hiatus we endured nothing like the 16 year one with a mediocre film and a few home videos but anyway for Doctor Who. AND I didn't realise she was announced almost a year before she her first episode. 2016 just flown for me

We're still in for a long-ish wait though

[Marsh.]

I don't think they normally do much build up for any companion announcements. It normally just happens when it happens.

Bill was in the unique position of the show being off the air for the longest time since the specials and yet there wasn't a change over in Doctors or eras. So Bill was the "big reveal" and tantalising information they could build interest around.

Whereas with this we have the new Doctor and a brand new production team which has all the focus and excitement from the audience. Like all the attention being on Matt Smith and Steven Moffatt and Amy Pond was just there.

[Denver]

The total age of the new team is 150

[Oliver_W]

Ditch everyone but Brad, make him the Doctor, bring back Bill as companion

[BBUK-Fan]

Ditch everyone but Brad, make him the Doctor, bring back Bill as companion

You are literally me, I said the exact same thing. Wish it happened

[user104658]

The total age of the new team is 150Wow that's weird, exact same as Capaldi + Bill.

[Marsh.]

The total age of the new team is 150

So?

[user104658]

So?Old people ew yuck smelly

[Denver]

So?

What

[Ashley.]

The total age of the new team is 150

Revolutionary

[Ross.]

So?

What

I'm still a rockstar

[Ross.]

Not Phoebe McQueen

[Marsh.]

What

I'm just wondering why you've added up the ages of 3 or 4 leading characters to give us their total age? :joker:

[Ashley.]

I assumed this would happen as all of Chibnall's episodes involve an ensemble cast, so I think that's what he works best with. Looking forward to it, but if it's anything like Class/Sarah-Jane Adventures then it may fall flat for me...

[Oliver_W]

I assumed this would happen as all of Chibnall's episodes involve an ensemble cast, so I think that's what he works best with. Looking forward to it, but if it's anything like Class/Sarah-Jane Adventures then it may fall flat for me...

Did Chibbers write any SJA or Class episodes?

Now you mention it, Power of Three and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship are both ensembley! Apart from 42, I can't remember the other episode(/s) he wrote offhand? Was it the other Silurians story, because that was also ensembley haha

[Marsh.]

ensembley

[Oliver_W]

ensembley

IT IS A WORD NOW, MKAYy

[Denver]

I'm just wondering why you've added up the ages of 3 or 4 leading characters to give us their total age? :joker:

I stole it because I thought it was a cute fact

[Ashley.]

Did Chibbers write any SJA or Class episodes?

Now you mention it, Power of Three and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship are both ensembley! Apart from 42, I can't remember the other episode(/s) he wrote offhand? Was it the other Silurians story, because that was also ensembley haha

Yeah that one. His plots weren't always that strong but he wrote the characters brilliantly and gave them substance. His best is probably the Silurian story, but that worked well because the plot was fairly character-driven anyway.

[Tom4784]

The total age of the new team is 150

A spring chicken in comparison to Rob?

[Greg!]

Lmao

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5039393/Dalek-sacked-Doctor-coded-magazine-article.html

[Marsh.]

I was wondering how and why on earth somebody would even stumble across that. But then he provides a cryptic clue at the bottom so it's his own fault really. [emoji23]

[Rob!]

A spring chicken in comparison to Rob?

That old man who pushed you over was ME.

[Tom4784]

That old man who pushed you over was ME.

Me, infiltrating your care home to overdose you with Dementia medication?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/57b0c81445f2722f25d2c58ab5b1e77f/tumblr_mlzaqhkAgb1rysniro1_500.gif

[Denver]

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/45/768x1308/gallery-1510232891-14660920-low-res-doctor-who-series-11.jpg

[Tom4784]

Gurl, what did they do to you?

[MB.]

I love it and Dezzy has no taste

[Oliver_W]

The new Tardis is nice.

[user104658]

Got to be honest here... Considering they're going for the "OMG first female doctor" thing... Is she not a bit androgenous?

Then again, all of the new era doctors bar Eccleston have been fairly gender neutral in terms of personality so maybe that's what they're going for, the idea that Time Lords are basically neither.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I love everything about this. I don't think I can wait eleven months for the next season.

[Greg!]

****ing love the costume omg!

[Marsh.]

Got to be honest here... Considering they're going for the "OMG first female doctor" thing... Is she not a bit androgenous?

Then again, all of the new era doctors bar Eccleston have been fairly gender neutral in terms of personality so maybe that's what they're going for, the idea that Time Lords are basically neither.
Well I never thought they'd want to accentuate any stereotypical female features. Not just the ideas for the pink tardis or a sonic lipstick that everyone was joking about but rather to illustrate the doctor can switch genders but still essentially be the same person.

The character has always been fairly androgynous really and not strictly masculine or feminine.

We'll most likely see the differences in personality, which is just like every other Doctor really.

[Marsh.]

I'm glad they've darkened the colour of the Tardis again and made it a bit grungy. It was a bit too shiny and new in Matt's era.

[Scarlett.]

I like the new look TARDIS too, seems they've also changed the sign from white to black, and got rid of the little circle logo thingy on the other door. Kinda looks like the 3rd Docs

http://www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/wp-images/tardis/exterior/1976-tardis-exterior.jpg

I don't mind the Doctor's new look, doesn't look any more silly than any of the other Doctor's clothes.

[Rob!]

I love it and Dezzy has no taste

This. She looks amazing omg :flutter:

[Marsh.]

Not a fan of the three quarter trousers look.

[Sticks]

It is still ruined for some who still hold the Doctor must be a man.

One female I know says she will no longer watch it because of that.

[MB.]

Well I'm sure Chris Chibnall's had sleepless nights knowing that the one female Sticks knows won't be watching

[Marsh.]

It is still ruined for some who still hold the Doctor must be a man.

One female I know says she will no longer watch it because of that.
Good for them.

No different to those who stopped watching because the actor cast wasn't hot or wasn't under 50.

The show will go on.

[Rob!]

It is still ruined for some who still hold the Doctor must be a man.

One female I know says she will no longer watch it because of that.

It's a really stupid reason to stop watching.

[Ashley.]

I'm intrigued, more than anything... Hopefully it'll spark the interest in the show that was lost when Capaldi took over x

[Marsh.]

I'm intrigued, more than anything... Hopefully it'll spark the interest in the show that was lost when Capaldi took over x
That's a funny way of spelling Moffat.

[Ashley.]

He wasn't that bad a producer at the beginning. Series 5, the first half of Series 6 and second half of Series 7 were good!

[Rob!]

5 and 6 were good. For me, 7 was the worst series out the lot, including the 50th which I have to say I thought was extremely overrated.

[Greg!]

5 and 10 were Moffat's only half-decent series. Just facts!

[Lostie!]

I'm intrigued, more than anything... Hopefully it'll spark the interest in the show that was lost when Capaldi took over x

I always suspected this was you

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[Tom4784]

I love it and Dezzy has no taste

She looks like she raided the wardrobe of one of the skinheads from This is England.

[Glenn.]

It’s very Doctor’y. I like it and I can’t wait for the new series.

[Sticks]

It's a really stupid reason to stop watching.

I will try and get to see it out of morbid curiosity, like watching a train wreck, but that view is out there and it is not just guys being sexist, so you can not write them off.

[Glenn.]

I will try and get to see it out of morbid curiosity, like watching a train wreck, but that view is out there and it is not just guys being sexist, so you can not write them off.

It’s still a pathetic reason though.

[Rob!]

I will try and get to see it out of morbid curiosity, like watching a train wreck, but that view is out there and it is not just guys being sexist, so you can not write them off.

How is it a train wreck though? You're not making any sense? It's a train wreck because they've cast a woman in the role? You clearly believe that yourself, so I don't know why you're covering it with "the view is out there" like something out of the X-Files. :nono:

[user104658]

How is it a train wreck though? You're not making any sense? It's a train wreck because they've cast a woman in the role? You clearly believe that yourself, so I don't know why you're covering it with "the view is out there" like something out of the X-Files. :nono:"The View Is Out There"

"I Want To Believe (in misogyny)"


:shrug: I mean maybe it will seem forced and awful, or maybe it'll be a breath of fresh air... I'm not sure how anyone can claim to know until we've actually seen it!

Plus, I've said before, I was convinced that I'd hate both Matt Smith and then Capaldi and I like both in the role in their own ways. Smith is still my fav doctor, though that seems to be an unpopular opinion :joker:.

[Marsh.]

I will try and get to see it out of morbid curiosity, like watching a train wreck, but that view is out there and it is not just guys being sexist, so you can not write them off.
It is sexism though when they fail to explain how it's a train wreck. As we have seen nothing about how the show will actually unfold under the new producer or with the new actor in the role, the only reason they have to think it's a train wreck is because the new actor is female.

[Sticks]

I said like watching a train wreck, not that it was a train wreck.

There is a difference.

There have been a number commentators out there who disagree with the casting decision, like my female friend who say it won't work and it is ruined. Those commentators have explicitly stated they will not watch it.

Like watching a train wreck is an expression referring to something utterly ghastly but you can not help watching.

I at least will give it a chance, is what I meant.

[user104658]

I said like watching a train wreck, not that it was a train wreck.

There is a difference.

There have been a number commentators out there who disagree with the casting decision, like my female friend who say it won't work and it is ruined. Those commentators have explicitly stated they will not watch it.

Like watching a train wreck is an expression referring to something utterly ghastly but you can not help watching.

I at least will give it a chance, is what I meant.

That's a bad analogy then; you could say it's more like watching a plane coming in for a really rough landing. You're pretty sure it's going to burst into flames when it hits the runway, but you accept that MAYBE the pilot will nail the landing and the plane will be OK.

Also, having a female friend who says it's ruined doesn't mean that the sentiment isn't misogynistic... Women can misogynistic too, oddly enough.

That said I don't think it is always from a place of misogyny... Different people have different interpretations of the character and there's no "right to wrong" answer there. It's fiction and everyone views a narrative differently... So for some people, the doctor being a man may well be part of their concept of his identity. That isn't "incorrect", but nor is the argument that Time Lords are biologically fluid.

And of course... None of the above can be used as "evidence" that the upcoming show will be awful OR great. No one will really know what they think of it until we see it in action.