*** The Big Brother 16 ratings thread***

[Kai Anders]

Reading these comments, I can't defend last night's ratings because they are terrible. However, we're living in a world where people don't watch TV live anymore. They'll record, watch it on catch up, live internet streams etc. Viewing figures aren't as important as they once were.

Big Brother was C5's highest rating show last night still, regardless of the rating it got. Channel 5 have only got themselves to blame for the rating with the terrible lack of promotion this series has been given. The show on the other hand however has a solid fanbase that watch continuously. They may not watch live, and with the officials we'll see averages of 1.6 as they take into account all of the repeats and live recordings. It's a shame that they don't take into account the Demand 5 viewership because Big Brother is Demand 5's best performing catch up.

The show itself brings in a lot of revenue for Channel 5 in product placements, adverts etc and therefore the show is profitable.

We need to consider also the share was 7.1% - That's a great share really for Channel 5, when the show before it only managed 4% share. The series has aired two episodes - how on earth can that be considered a flop is beyond me.

PREACH!

[Will.]

anyone know the Ireland rating?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And im saying low ratings doesnt make it a flop like your claiming

Ratings wise it does lol.

This is the ratings thread after all.

[Jarrod]

anyone know the Ireland rating?

Not yet.

[Rob!]

Did the live feed rating get released?

[Will.]

Not yet.

ok! Thanks for reply

[Jake.]

Well, that's what having it on at 10PM will get you

(and how anyone expected more than 60k viewers on +1 at 11PM is beyond me).

100K down from BB14 really isn't the end of the world.

[Will.]

Well, that's what having it on at 10PM will get you

(and how anyone expected more than 60k viewers on +1 at 11PM is beyond me).

100K down from BB14 really isn't the end of the world.

I agree, I dont really know if 10 pm works for BB even though theres no real competition. My parents tend to go to bed at around 10ish so they don't watch it.

Its exam season so most students will be going to bed at around 10ish as well, everyone in my year has had an exam everyday this week so they've had to go to bed early.

Im lucky as I do different sciences courses (and theres a lot of science exams for my year, I only do 1) and don't do languages (only English) so I've only had one exam this week which was yesterday and don't have one till Monday so I can watch it as I'm on study leave so don't have to get up really early in the morning to spend 90 mins on a coach journey (bit I've had chosen to do study leave at school, did Monday - Wednesday at school but taking Thursday and Friday off as I work well at home to).

So maybe in the exam season 9pm is better, is the time when my friends at school relax for a bit, even though it would have more competition it would probably attract more views.

CBB15 did really well at 9pm, and obvs it had a fantastic cast and drama so that helped a lot, but I think 9pm is far more suited for everyday people as it finishes at a good time, 10pm is annoying as it means you end up asleep around 11ish which is quite late for people having to get up for work/school.

[Jake.]

Any idea on the Irish figures?

[Jarrod]

Any idea on the Irish figures?

Nothing, I haven't had a reply from TV3 either.

[ruiphillips]

Yikes. That's a disaster.

[James]

You can hardly expect high ratings for the first highlights show when half the show was dedicated to what had already been shown the previous night.

The housemates go into the house so late at night, there isn't much new to show the next day.

[*mazedsalv**]

I'm so disappointed. I really am. At this point (and its early days), this series should NOT be going below BB15 because BB15 was just awful in general IMO and I'd be annoyed if BB16 is good, that it would rate below.

I'm hoping that it was just the "can't be bothered to watch repeats" crowd not tuning in. But it'd be terrible if it falls again and goes sub 1m. :(

To think that in January, a normal episode when Perez V Alex/Hopkins happened leading to Alexander leaving the house got 3.22m overnight and 3.8m official... it's just baffling.

[*mazedsalv**]

You can hardly expect high ratings for the first highlights show when half the show was dedicated to what had already been shown the previous night.

The housemates go into the house so late at night, there isn't much new to show the next day.

I'd like to think that but I am pretty sure in a lot of cases, the first HL show is the highest rated of the whole series behind the launch and final,

[Will.]

Hoping it's done decent

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I honestly think under 1 million.

The 1st highlight shows is usually one of the best then it settles down on the 3nd it will be over 1 million with +1 without a doubt though.

[Will.]

I honestly think under 1 million.

The 1st highlight shows is usually one of the best then it settles down on the 3nd it will be over 1 million with +1 without a doubt though.

Yeah, least we're prepared for the worst! It was really good highlight show, never have thought it was only day 2.

[Will.]

Big Brother continued with 1.14m (7.2%) at 10pm (61k/0.7%). Big Brother's Bit on the Side entertained 405k (4.5%) at 11pm (28k/0.7%).

so 1.21 in total, not good but least it above a million.

Time bomb first Thursday gets 1.21 m (8.1%)
Power Trips first Thursday got 1.03m- (5.5%)
Secret and Lies first Thursday got 1.35 million (7.8%)


The share is quite good, I think the figures are low due to exam season but the actual share is very good, odd.

[Jamesy]

Ouch, not quite under 1 million but near enough.

Shame as it was quite a good highlights.

Maybe BB15 had a big negative impact against civilian Big Brother afterall.

Will be interesting to see what kind of jump the official figures get.

[RichardG]

Not great but if it's above BB15 then I'm happy!!

[*mazedsalv**]

Big Brother continued with 1.14m (7.2%) at 10pm (61k/0.7%). Big Brother's Bit on the Side entertained 405k (4.5%) at 11pm (28k/0.7%).

so 1.21 in total, not good but least it above a million.

Time bomb first Thursday gets 1.21 m (8.1%)
Power Trips first Thursday got 1.03m- (5.5%)
Secret and Lies first Thursday got 1.35 million (7.8%)


The share is quite good, I think the figures are low due to exam season but the actual share is very good, odd.

It was actually 1.20m not 1.21m, not like it makes much of a difference :p because it would be 1.21m if the +1 figure was 70k.

Anyway, it is poor, but as you said, the share is higher, so maybe it could be because of less people watching maybe because of exam season?

[Will.]

It was actually 1.20m not 1.21m, not like it makes much of a difference :p because it would be 1.21m if the +1 figure was 70k.

Anyway, it is poor, but as you said, the share is higher, so maybe it could be because of less people watching maybe because of exam season?

thats what I'm thinking, I agree

[Jake.]

Share is decent

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Crap rating but good share.

[Jamesy]

I almost forgot it's on earlier this year so exams could be to blame for lesser viewers since the series usually starts in June.

I've also seen a lot of people complaining on social media about the show being on too late so they don't watch it on the night. Wouldn't surprise me if that affects figures in a smaller way too. Don't know why they don't air it at 9pm like CBB, hardly like Channel 5 has a whole range of nightly shows at 9pm that out perform Big Brother...

[Will.]

I almost forgot it's on earlier this year so exams could be to blame for lesser viewers since the series usually starts in June.

I've also seen a lot of people complaining on social media about the show being on too late so they don't watch it on the night. Wouldn't surprise me if that affects figures in a smaller way too. Don't know why they don't air it at 9pm like CBB, hardly like Channel 5 has a whole range of nightly shows at 9pm that out perform Big Brother...

Especially now the island has finished, which got 2m+ at 9pm on Tuesday + Wednesdsy

[*mazedsalv**]

Also weirdly enough (as it was a rainy day), everything was down bar The Island. ITV failed to reach 2m all night.

Best performance goes to The Island with Bear Grylls which got a series high of 2.61m.

[Jamesy]

Especially now the island has finished, which got 2m+ at 9pm on Tuesday + Wednesdsy

Yep with shows like that soon gone that's even more reason to shift Big Brother to the 9pm slot.

It only really need to be on at 10pm when there's hard competition around on the other channels (like The Island, BGT live shows, any sports stuff etc).

[Will.]

Yep with shows like that soon gone that's even more reason to shift Big Brother to the 9pm slot.

It only really need to be on at 10pm when there's hard competition around on the other channels (like The Island, BGT live shows, any sports stuff etc).

yeah The island finished next week, got confused. its on at 9pm on Sunday.

BGT week isn't scheduled for half term week, so its probably the first week of June.

[billy123]

Isnt BB on during exam season every year?

[Gstar]

Nobody even knew it was back on, the promo was awful (as always)

[JohnnyBB]

Is it too early to say power trip and helen wood has ruined big brothers raitings?

[Will.]

Is it too early to say power trip and helen wood has ruined big brothers raitings?

Jims fault as Linda Noleen would say

[JohnnyBB]

1.2m inc +1 Bit on the Side 405k (28k/0.7%)

[Jarrod]

Irish Ratings
103,000 on average last night for TV3 only.

[Jason.]

Isnt BB on during exam season every year?

Yes.
But I think this year it started when exam season started.

I mean GCSE's started on 11th May, the day before the launch.

So people will be more likely to sleep earlier or work instead as their at the peak of the exam season, which is the beginning.

Compared to a June 5th launch, as that's when people may be nearing the end of their exams or have maybe finished exams.

[ruiphillips]

It's such a boring series. No wonder it's getting them ratings.

[Will.]

It's such a boring series. No wonder it's getting them ratings.

:umm2:

[Rob!]

It's such a boring series. No wonder it's getting them ratings.

Two days does not constitute a boring series :laugh:

[Lostie!]

It's such a boring series. No wonder it's getting them ratings.

Each to their own, but I've really enjoyed the first two highlights shows.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I just cant wait for the first officials to come out so you can all stop blaming the ****e ratings on exams. If this is the case then the people taking the exams would have recorded it right giving the official rating a big boost and therefor we shall see some pretty impressive officials.

That wont happen.

The fact is it had no promo and started way to soon after CBB its overkill.

The cast are pretty much identical to that of BB12 and the graphics make me want to throw myself in front of the N10 bus :)

[Blog Rider]

Wish people will stop blaming it on exams season, No they would record it if they were that bothered to watch it.

[Jarrod]

My post seems to have gone completely ignored. Ratings just aren't as important as they used to be anymore.

[crazycolaist]

This series is going good in terms of people & twists. Ratings do not mean a lot these days With sky+/TiVo (Only when you pause/rewind etc),Recordings & Xbox One's & On Demand all excluded from overnights. TV ratings need a overhaul & Big Brother needs a big break

[mrmattybeck1]

My post seems to have gone completely ignored. Ratings just aren't as important as they used to be anymore.
Absolutely best series start in a few years

[mrmattybeck1]

This series is going good in terms of people & twists. Ratings do not mean a lot these days With sky+/TiVo (Only when you pause/rewind etc),Recordings & Xbox One's & On Demand all excluded from overnights. TV ratings need a overhaul & Big Brother needs a big break
Bad luck its here till 2018 :))) :cheer:

[billy123]

My post seems to have gone completely ignored. Ratings just aren't as important as they used to be anymore.They really are as the viewing figures decide how much somebody that want to advertise with or during BB has to pay. The lower the viewing figures the lower the ad revenue and at a cost of £40million a year C5 really want a return on it. They aren't a charity. Low viewing figures = low advertising income = no more big brother.

[Jake.]

1.26 (6.4%) not including +1

0.50 (3.8%) for BOTS

[Will.]

1.4 including +1, thats good, Ill check what the last couple of years got

[TomC]

That's not bad.

[*mazedsalv**]

Well at least its better, we're just waiting for the +1 figure.

[Will.]

First live show Friday ratings including +1

Power Trip:990k (4.3%)
Secrets and Lies:1.83million (8.9%)

[Jake.]

1.4 including +1, thats good, Ill check what the last couple of years got

Where did you find the plus 1 figure?

[Will.]

Where did you find the plus 1 figure?

Twitter

[*mazedsalv**]

First live show Friday ratings including +1

Power Trip:990k (4.3%)
Secrets and Lies:1.83million (8.9%)

Secrets and Lies killed it in the ratings in general. That figure you have there still is the highest rated eviction for a BB on Ch5. (Sallie's and the reveal of Michael the puppet).

Look at Power Trip :shocked:

To sum up for BB13. The first Friday got 1.44m. Lets not forget though that BB13 launched with 2.7m, 900k more than BB16.

[Will.]

Ive found BB13 ratings online, so its:

Power Trip: 990k (4.3%)

Secrets and Lies: 1.83million (8.9%)

Big Brother 13 (2012) - 1.44 (7.8%)

[TomC]

So for the power trip one are we talking about Tamara's eviction? Surely those figures last night are quite good considering it wasn't even an eviction.

[Will.]

Secrets and Lies killed it in the ratings in general. That figure you have there still is the highest rated eviction for a BB on Ch5. (Sallie's and the reveal of Michael the puppet).

Look at Power Trip :shocked:

To sum up for BB13. The first Friday got 1.44m. Lets not forget though that BB13 launched with 2.7m, 900k more than BB16.

BB16 has kept 78% of it audience from launch, where as BB13 only kept 51% of its launch audience.

Im working out the percent from the first friday live shows, not the average of the series.

[Will.]

So for the power trip one are we talking about Tamara's eviction? Surely those figures last night are quite good considering it wasn't even an eviction.

Was just going to mention that, it wasn't even an eviction, so think the 1.4 is very good considering last year got 950k for its first eviction whilst BB16 gets 1.4 for doing a live show.

[Will.]

140k on plus one so exactly 1.4m

[*mazedsalv**]

140k on plus one so exactly 1.4m

Is there a proper source for that? 140k seems too high, launch for example got 130k and the +1 never is much for Friday shows. I'm waiting for DS to update, hope I'm wrong though.

[Will.]

Is there a proper source for that? 140k seems too high, launch for example got 130k and the +1 never is much for Friday shows. I'm waiting for DS to update, hope I'm wrong though.

not to sure, must be from somewhere I guess, a lot of sites are saying it. :shrug:

[Jamesy]

Not bad for a show that involved no eviction.

When do we get the first set of official/final figures?

[TomC]

Not bad for a show that involved no eviction.

When do we get the first set of official/final figures?

A week on Monday.

[Rob!]

At least it's climbed.

So...the dreaded Saturday ratings. Below 900k?

[*mazedsalv**]

Someone sent the ratings over and it only got 50k on +1 giving it 1.31m incl +1. It should be reliable. I have no idea why DS hasn't mentioned the +1 for any shows last night and why all the Twitter accounts have decided to not post ratings at all.

It pisses me off when that happens. It's not that hard to release a bunch of figures with +1.

[RichardG]

At least it's climbed.

So...the dreaded Saturday ratings. Below 900k?

I wouldn't be surprised. I can't see it doing well at all tonight. :worry:

[crazycolaist]

Ads have been real cruddy this year. I think it'll grow to 1.8 depending on how things go and not a repeat of yesterdays lackstar twist.

[Kai Anders]

anyone got the irish ratings?

[Jarrod]

anyone got the irish ratings?

Not today.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Just catching up on the 1sst week now I m not surprised ratings are poor. They deserve to be what an uneventful, boring first week.

Im sorry but who enjoys watching housemates doing incredibly dull tasks for rewards they don't deserve?

Seriously they are lucky they've got 1.3 million people watching housemates riding an exercise bike whilst eating a banana because I was close to just fast forwarding mot of the episodes.

As usual though the first fight always happens on a Saturday which is allways the lowest rated. This cast seems way to young and way to samey.

[Jason.]

Just catching up on the 1sst week now I m not surprised ratings are poor. They deserve to be what an uneventful, boring first week.

Im sorry but who enjoys watching housemates doing incredibly dull tasks for rewards they don't deserve?

Seriously they are lucky they've got 1.3 million people watching housemates riding an exercise bike whilst eating a banana because I was close to just fast forwarding mot of the episodes.

As usual though the first fight always happens on a Saturday which is allways the lowest rated. This cast seems way to young and way to samey.

You can always re-watch the masterpiece that is Big Brother: Power Trip.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You can always re-watch the masterpiece that is Big Brother: Power Trip.

LOL compared to Time Bomb the first week of Power Trip had way more going on theres not 1 stand out moment from this first week.

[Will.]

Ah Big Brother: Power Trip, a class BB series!

Big Brother at its peak of amazing!

Its a shame it wasn't a 'battle to the death', loved to see jazzy P beating Helen with a chicken whilst Ashleigh chokes Steven with her teddy bear.

BB15 had its first proper argument by now, Helen and Danielle - "Get some body class you weirdo man."

BB16 is so far a lot better.

[Jake.]

0.69m (3.7%) (guessing that isn't with +1)

Dear God

[Jake.]

*as it stands, the third worst rating ever

[Jay.]

Well, with little to no advertising and a month earlier than usual it's no surprise the ratings are low tbh. Bit annoying though because it's one of the best series in years so far.

Surely they'd see these ratings and think about rummaging together some kind of quick billboard campaign? Word of mouth can only do so much.

[Jay.]

Is that rating still high for channel 5 though? Just out of interest?

[Headie]

690k? Welp

[Jake.]

Is that rating still high for channel 5 though? Just out of interest?

700-800k is usually the norm, but it depends on the program

[Will.]

thats bad but expected! Why don't Channel 5 not have a show on Saturday and have a 2 hour highlight show on Sunday, considering Sundays always rate high.

[Rob!]

Jesus Christ I didn't think it would fall that low! :o

[TomC]

Which episodes had lower viewing figures than that?

[Rob!]

Which episodes had lower viewing figures than that?

Caroline's eviction was one, I don't know what the other one was.

[Jarrod]

Big Brother shouldn't air on Saturday. I've said this for years, that the Saturday episodes just bring down the average of the series and that they shouldn't be aired. I'd much rather a 90 minute highlights show on Sunday.

It's down on last year's first Saturday highlights which got 952k (4.8%).

[Luke_Thomas_Patton]

850K including +1, not so bad after all. Should hit 1.15 in the officials.

[Beetlejuice]

Seems like a good group this year. A shame we can't get to know them like we used to. It's almost as if people have just given up.

LIVE FEED :smug:

[Will.]

I really don't think live feed will boost ratings

[Jarrod]

Live feed WON'T boost the ratings. Channel 5 have make a complete cock-up of the promotion for this series, which is a shame because it's probably the best series we've had since 2010.

[Will.]

Live feed WON'T boost the ratings. Channel 5 have make a complete cock-up of the promotion for this series, which is a shame because it's probably the best series we've had since 2010.

:clap1:

The only thing live feed will do is make some current viewers happy.

[Jason.]

Agree with Will and Jarrod.

As much as I love Live Feed, the only reason this series is rating bad is because it screams of low ratings:

No promotion whatsoever for the series.
May launch for the first time in almost ten years.
Exam season.
BB15 putting people off Civilian Big Brother.

It will be interesting to see if the ratings get better around June, when exam season is over, and those who didn't know about it launching in May tuning in, thinking it is launching in June.

BB16 is rating low because of lack of promotion and hype, rather than it being a bad series.
BB15 rated low because it was bad series.

[MB.]

Plus, the ratings pattern isn't the same as it was for many Channel 4 series - the show used to launch very highly and then go steadily downhill, whereas nowadays the show tends to stay fairly low but consistent throughout, with a couple of drops here and there (which I'm hoping last night's show was)

[Jason.]

Plus, the ratings pattern isn't the same as it was for many Channel 4 series - the show used to launch very highly and then go steadily downhill, whereas nowadays the show tends to stay fairly low but consistent throughout, with a couple of drops here and there (which I'm hoping last night's show was)

Spot on Egghead.

This even happened in the golden era.

Look at the BB5 launch which rated at 7.23m. The second episode, the next day (Suitcase nominations) rated 3.86m.

That's a massive 3.37m (47%) loss of viewers from the launch.

These days there is a bigger retention in viewers, and the ratings are consistent.

If Channel 4 didn't have high launch and final ratings, the series averages would be lower.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Live feed WON'T boost the ratings. Channel 5 have make a complete cock-up of the promotion for this series, which is a shame because it's probably the best series we've had since 2010.

Anything is better than BB11 lol that series was a joke.

[Rob!]

850K including +1, not so bad after all. Should hit 1.15 in the officials.

That should have been it's excl figure though - there's no need for it to be as low as in the 600s. That's just inexcusable.
So sad as well, this series does NOt deserve to be tarnished with the same brush has BB15.

[Will.]

So in terms of bad and good:

Launch - bad
Wednesday - bad
Thursday - good
Friday - good
Saturday - bad

[Rob!]

I don't think any of them can really be classed as good tbh.

[Will.]

I don't think any of them can really be classed as good tbh.


I was going to evaluate better, but just thought I'd do it simply, Thursday was good as it had a really high share, larger compared to both BB14 and 15, whilst Friday was decent, BB15 only got 950k for the first eviction lol

[crazycolaist]

Officials will be better. If im out then majority of BB fans are probably out too & watched it when they got back :)

[Beetlejuice]

No one is saying the live feed would boost the ratings. But the lack of it for 4 years despite constant complaints has just pushed viewers further and further away.

The fact is the lowest rated series of Big Brother on Channel 4 was the one without 24/7 live coverage (BB10) and the highest rated series on Channel 5 was the one with 2 hours every night (BB14)

There's plenty of other things wrong (and maybe some things right) but as people have said for years, they have ripped the heart and soul out of this show by not having it.

[Rob!]

It's going to have to add about 500k onto tonight's audience for it to be considered alright :worry:

[Jarrod]

If anybody is interested, I've just posted this:

With the speculation of a supposed ratings crisis, we take a look at the ratings from the past week

Channel 5 launched their latest series of Big Brother on Tuesday night, as 15 new Housemates walked into Britain’s most famous House. Now, almost a week later fans are screaming out that there is a ratings crisis, when the real fact is.. there isn’t one.

More: http://bigbrother247.co.uk/day-6-big-brother-ratings-crisis-what-ratings-crisis/

[Rob!]

If anybody is interested, I've just posted this:



More: http://bigbrother247.co.uk/day-6-big-brother-ratings-crisis-what-ratings-crisis/

I just hope you're right Jarrod.

It would be nice if we could get some word from channel 5 to say it's alright.

[VanessaFeltz.]

BB19 (2018) ratings prediction:

20k launch
1k live eviction
100 normal highlights show
1 saturday show and that is boss's wife

[aman201]

Let's be honest.

Terrible selection of housemates.

[Jake.]

1.02m (4.6%), not iincluding +1

[Will.]

1.02m (4.6%), not iincluding +1

Low, but should be high plus 1 as people didn't realise it was in at 9

[daniel-lewis-1985]

That's a terrible Sunday night rating I haven't watched it yet is it even worth it the first week was so dull.

[aman201]

Last night's episode was probably the worst, tbh Daniel.

[Rob!]

1.1m including +1 (5.1%) overall. Awful. :(

Safe to say this series is a flop. It's going to take more than someone being pinned to the bed and threatened to be nutted to bring many more viewers in.
Tbh, last night was incredibly dull. I hope it picks up soon.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If anybody is interested, I've just posted this:



More: http://bigbrother247.co.uk/day-6-big-brother-ratings-crisis-what-ratings-crisis/

Saying this years ratings aren't at a "crisis" point as they are on par with last year which was a ratings flop isn't the best way to prove otherwise.

C'mon 1.1 million people tuning in on a Sunday?! BB should be getting 1.7/1.8 on a Sunday tbh and and 1.4/1.5 in the week to be seen as moderately successful.

Twitter hasn't exactly exploded with excitement about the housemates either has it.

[JohnnyBB]

Awfull flop, the show is dire its safe to say its the helen effect, they where warned to take the pass away from helen they didint listen and theyve upset the casual veiwer.

[Beetlejuice]

They were heading in the right direction with BB14 (the highest rated show for Channel 5) and then they dropped the live coverage rather than extend it and became over-reliant on desperate twist after desperate twist to the point that even the presenters just shrugged their shoulders and looked embarrassed.

Knowing full well how fed up people were with the show last year they have decided to do it all over again, only with slightly nicer housemates.

From paying Pamela Anderson God knows what to fail to attract viewers to giving away cars that cost £27,000, everything they have done has been a waste of money that could have been invested in live coverage and a state of the art website. By now, I think they've built up such bad will there's no saving it. How stupid to do you have to be to be running an interactive show that is all about viewer involvement to continually ignore what those viewers have been asking for? It isn't rocket science.

[mrmattybeck1]

Bloody awful numbers that's coming from me a Sunday as well :(

[mrmattybeck1]

I bet Viacom are having a look at this very carefully

[Rob!]

It beat channel 4 last night though, so that's something.

[Jarrod]

:shrug: I don't know then.

[crazycolaist]

Its because Viacom didnt bothor to advertise only their own channels no billboards around london nothing. & nobody is going to jump on 'the bangwagan' a week after launch. Shame.

[*mazedsalv**]

So more accurately, it got 1.12m incl +1.
Not good :(

It's about 100k-150k down on the average BB15 highlight show which was already low. If they don't add at least 300k in the timeshifts than BB is kind of in trouble.

I have a feeling something drastic will be done this week in a bid to rise them. But what is the real problem?

IMO, it's the calmest CH5 series. It's reminiscent of earlier years, BUT the Twitter crowd seem to dislike it because it's not confrontational enough. Does this mean that the lower ratings are because it's not as explosive? And the hardcore fans that wanted a calmer series have probably long gone, so at the end of the day, both hardcores and newer viewers have probably gone.

What I just wrote brings in mixed messages. As I said, do people want calmer HMs (like older fans want), or more confrontational HMs (what Twitter/social media want).

I can see why it's tough for the production to please people because they can never please both. They either risk losing all the past viewers they have, or risk losing all the newer viewers they have which by posting on social media, brings more attention to the series and is kind of like self promotion. What does 5 want?

[Beetlejuice]

The problem is the show is difficult to follow and it moves along at too slow a pace where it used to have immediate impact throughout the day thanks to a live feed. Something that would suit the age of twitter and 24/7 social media very well.

The fact is the ratings have always been mediocre on Channel 5 (with the only possible exception being the Dexter/Gina year). They need controversial characters like Helen but just don't give them free passes to the final. Stop with all the twists, and meddling in nominations and BRING BACK THE LIVE COVERAGE. This is all the hardcore fans have ever argued for.

How long will this madness continue until they see sense? They've even managed to convince people on forums that the lack of live feed isn't a part of the problem (but certainly not the only problem). People used to discuss everything that was going on throughout the day, the smallest of things would have threads discussing them, now though the forums are dead and there is little to no enthusiasm whatsoever. I'm still getting the names of some of the guys muddled up to be honest.

[uniquedude]

I dont think bb15 has anything to do with these ratings, maybe to us fans but to casual viewers the ratings for bb15 were pretty consistently above 1.5 millions throughout. People I know who aren't hardcore fans liked bb15.

[*mazedsalv**]

I dont think bb15 has anything to do with these ratings, maybe to us fans but to casual viewers the ratings for bb15 were pretty consistently above 1.5 millions throughout. People I know who aren't hardcore fans liked bb15.

BB15 officially averaged that, it's overnight average was actually 1.2m which means BB15 is only 100k ahead, not 400k. There was only two episodes that got more than 1.5m overnights in the entire series (bar launch and final) and that was the first Sunday show (1.50m) and the start of the Armageddon twist on the Monday (1.61m).

As of now, BB16 should be averaging around 1.5m officials too like BB15.

[Jamesy]

Well given the recent survey on the website linked in to an upcoming task, asking negative questions about the HMs, it looks like the producers are planning on forcing some negativity into the house to cause drama to interest people (the casual viewers) again.

[Beetlejuice]

Big Brother 12 series (Aaron/Jay) average was: 1.55 million viewers
Big Brother 13 series (Deana/Luke A) average was: 1.6 million viewers
Big Brother 14 series (Dexter/Gina) average was: 1.9 million viewers
Big Brother 15 series (Helen/Ashleigh) average was: 1.57 million viewers

As you can see, the 14th series (the one in which they listened to fans and had a much higher amount of live coverage) outdid the other series. The average amount of viewers for this current series is considerably lower than any previous series.

Going back further...

Big Brother 9 (the last series to have the red button live coverage) I recall had an average of about 3.5 million. Big Brother 10 (the first series to have a significantly reduced amount of live coverage) had the lowest ratings of any season on Channel 4 and Big Brother 11 which saw the return of an online feed but less coverage on E4 got the figures back up to 2.8 million

[ruiphillips]

This series is just dull. tbh

[uniquedude]

Big Brother 12 series (Aaron/Jay) average was: 1.55 million viewers
Big Brother 13 series (Deana/Luke A) average was: 1.6 million viewers
Big Brother 14 series (Dexter/Gina) average was: 1.9 million viewers
Big Brother 15 series (Helen/Ashleigh) average was: 1.57 million viewers

As you can see, the 14th series (the one in which they listened to fans and had a much higher amount of live coverage) outdid the other series. The average amount of viewers for this current series is considerably lower than any previous series.

Going back further...

Big Brother 9 (the last series to have the red button live coverage) I recall had an average of about 3.5 million. Big Brother 10 (the first series to have a significantly reduced amount of live coverage) had the lowest ratings of any season on Channel 4 and Big Brother 11 which saw the return of an online feed but less coverage on E4 got the figures back up to 2.8 million

Not really, didnt the ratings go up because of the whole Daley/Hazel incident and they had to stop live feed because the viewing figures were so low. Live feed doesn't equal higher viewing figures.

[Jason.]

Just to be precise, BB13's average was 1.64m.

When people say 1.6m, it makes it seem low.

[Jason.]

Big Brother 12 series (Aaron/Jay) average was: 1.55 million viewers
Big Brother 13 series (Deana/Luke A) average was: 1.6 million viewers
Big Brother 14 series (Dexter/Gina) average was: 1.9 million viewers
Big Brother 15 series (Helen/Ashleigh) average was: 1.57 million viewers

As you can see, the 14th series (the one in which they listened to fans and had a much higher amount of live coverage) outdid the other series. The average amount of viewers for this current series is considerably lower than any previous series.

Going back further...

Big Brother 9 (the last series to have the red button live coverage) I recall had an average of about 3.5 million. Big Brother 10 (the first series to have a significantly reduced amount of live coverage) had the lowest ratings of any season on Channel 4 and Big Brother 11 which saw the return of an online feed but less coverage on E4 got the figures back up to 2.8 million

BB13 actually averaged higher than BB14, until the Olympics kicked in, and tampered the ratings.

BB13 didn't have much live feed.

If BB13 had aired in 2013, I genuinely think it would've averaged 1.9-2.0m.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Guys its simple why the ratings are low this year and I think we can all gree its hardly a classic Big Brother Is it. 1 week in and all weve had is silly tasks riding bikes and popping balloons, stupid rewards for no reason, an odd bicker and really bad casting.

Its supposed to be a diverse group of people they gave us is 11 young attractive people and a girl who works in a greasy spoon and a manager of Maccy D's to make it look diverse.

No......Not good enough.

Bad casting and very gimmicky again.

[*mazedsalv**]

Tbh I loved tonight's episode. Both TiBB and DS have been the busiest since launch tonight and Eileen trended on Twitter, and is the first HM this series to do so.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Catching up on tonights now. Cant be arsed but feel I have to lol. ****ing addiction is what it is. This year though even ive found myself not caring the ratings have sucked after launch I used to be wreck lol now its like meh life goes on. I even sacked the person I hired to do all my invoices and stuff because I though I was going to be on the forums debating and stuff lol and watching the shows late at night ect but nothing happened to debate about. Nothing happened at all really sorry girl atleast she earned £50.

[Rob!]

1.09m for last night (6.9%) not sure if that's with +1.

[Rob!]

Mind you, 3rd in it's slot.

[Jake.]

Not including +1 (I don't think), so probably 1.2ish with it

[mrmattybeck1]

Least it's constant at being low lol

[Jake.]

Last year, the first Monday grabbed 1.19m (inc. +1) at 9PM, followed by a "live special" to 1.20m (inc. +1).

So for it to be doing pretty much the same (at an hour later) really isn't that bad

[RyanxAvicii]

Is it any surprise? Timebombs are being used way too much for stuff that would normally happen... How is Nick nominating face to face for the first time on Friday classified as a time bomb? The housemates have been really poor as well and it's hard watching it because of how little happens. The ratings on Saturday will be under 500k as well because of Eurovision and BGT. I feel they rushed the arrival of this series after the success of January CBB. Wasn't the whole reason they moved to June on C4 for the start of the series because it couldn't compete? The housemates are also very hard to like, too egotistical and I could feel an air of ageism against Eileen last night in the nominations. I just hope they improve, but nothing will change that this will be the lowest ever viewed series.

[Beetlejuice]

Not really, didnt the ratings go up because of the whole Daley/Hazel incident and they had to stop live feed because the viewing figures were so low.

For one show. The show was consistently above the other series and it saw an inrease with the introduction of the live coverage. And you're confusing stories about the live feed. The figures for the feed that was put on against the soaps were low (as anyone with two working brain cells knew they would be). The figures for the late night one on the web were said to be good and continued until the end (as did the strong ratings). Either way, they have never actually restored it to where it once was on Channel 4 back when the programme was at its best.

Live feed doesn't equal higher viewing figures.

It equals a better show which equals higher viewing figures. Hence the reason the best series for Channel 4 was Series 14 and the worst series for Channel 4 was series 10. No doubt other factors, but I don't know how many times people have to point out that the civilian show suffers without the LF until people stop kidding themselves that it doesn't.

[Beetlejuice]

BB13 actually averaged higher than BB14, until the Olympics kicked in, and tampered the ratings.

BB13 didn't have much live feed.

If BB13 had aired in 2013, I genuinely think it would've averaged 1.9-2.0m.

If it had had a live feed it may have got over 2 million.

[Jamesy]

Yeah it's not doing that bad really. At least it's staying consistent if anything.

Still a huge loss compared to BB14 though, they need to do something to the show to get back those lost viewers.

[*mazedsalv**]

1.13m last night with +1. The same episode last year (first Monday) got 1.19m, so it's 60k down from that.

I will be doing a comparison every day from the year before. To me, it seems that it is closing the gap a little bit now between last year and this year.

The first Tuesday last year got 1.30m, but no way do I think it will get close to that tonight.

[Beetlejuice]

The viewing figures for last years show were poor. So even if it closes in on them, it's still doing terrible.

[billy123]

The world cup in Brazil got the blame for poor viewing figures last year. It doesn't have that excuse this year.

[RichardG]

Not really, didnt the ratings go up because of the whole Daley/Hazel incident and they had to stop live feed because the viewing figures were so low. Live feed doesn't equal higher viewing figures.

Yeah from memory the ratings shot up the night of the incident then pretty much maintained a high figure for the following couple of weeks. Plus it was generally just a really good series. BB13 and particularly BB14 were great imo, from the housemates to the production and so on. They really went downhill from BB15...

[Beetlejuice]

Yeah from memory the ratings shot up the night of the incident then pretty much maintained a high figure for the following couple of weeks.

3 things happened... Dexter/Gina in secret room. Return of a nightly live feed. The Daley incident. The show went from 1.7 million viewers to sustaining about 1.85 million to the end.

[*mazedsalv**]

I think we may see a tiny rise in the next few days due to the shopping task which looks really good. By tiny rise, I'm assuming around 50k-100k, so maybe an average of around 1.2m, and 1.3m for the eviction, not fantastic granted, but a 1.3m would be higher than most (if not all) the evictions from last year.

[Will.]

there probably do something big the week BB normally launches, maybe even pretend theres a launch 2 (incoperate the time theme, and say we've got back to launch) and get 4-5 new HM in and hopefully they will heavily promote it if they do something like that.

[Kai Anders]

Okay so these ratings aren't best, but the way I see it, BB15 achieved 1.5m on in officials, CBB achieved something like 3.0m and shortly after Viacom and Channel 5 renewed the show for another 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, CBB is far cheaper and more successful and profitable to run than the regular series, but surely for the companies to invest 3 years into the shows, 1.5 in officials for BB is actually okay, like surely we should worry when officials hit something like 1.2??

Idk it just seems odd that with the lowest viewing figures and highest viewing figures they felt the need to renew the show for 3 years, rather than a more safe 1 or 2??

[Kai Anders]

And if anything, and as much as I'd dislike the idea they could always scrap regular BB for something like 2 CBBs and nothing more. Then maybe in future years reintroduce the series. But then again, the show hitting 1.0m overnights is still higher than the usual 700K and 4% share the channel receives.

[Jamesy]

I think they mainly renewed the civilian series because despite the lower figures, it's still a very profitable show.

Even saying that, none of us know what C5 want from the ratings. Us fans go on and moan about figures being low, the show failing etc yet we don't know what Channel 5 want, for all we know they'd be happy with figures at 700k a night and keep it on air. Or they might want it to always stay over 1 million. I do think the main reason they keep civilian Big Brother going though is because of the money it makes, the ratings just work alongside the profits.

[Beetlejuice]

Why do something in a half hearted manner that just makes you look like a bunch of amateurs? Channel 4 has never really recovered from getting rid of BB. Channel 5 had a chance to make themselves look good and they've made themselves look awful year after year in the eyes of the fans of the show.

Both the civilian series and the celebrity one have the potential to bring them high viewing figures, but they continue to lack inspiration and ambition and do everything to a subpar standard. Their pigheadedness is working against the show and surely against themselves.

[Kai Anders]

preach!

[uniquedude]

For one show. The show was consistently above the other series and it saw an inrease with the introduction of the live coverage. And you're confusing stories about the live feed. The figures for the feed that was put on against the soaps were low (as anyone with two working brain cells knew they would be). The figures for the late night one on the web were said to be good and continued until the end (as did the strong ratings). Either way, they have never actually restored it to where it once was on Channel 4 back when the programme was at its best.



It equals a better show which equals higher viewing figures. Hence the reason the best series for Channel 4 was Series 14 and the worst series for Channel 4 was series 10. No doubt other factors, but I don't know how many times people have to point out that the civilian show suffers without the LF until people stop kidding themselves that it doesn't.
Of course Channel 5 are going to say live feed figures were good, they aren't going to say anything negetive about their own show. BB14 averaged slightly lower than bb13 until after the daley incident then ratings instantly went up. Cause and effect vs correlation here. LF doesn't equal a high rating series.

[ruiphillips]

Piss poor ratings for such a terrible series. Match point.

[crazycolaist]

A lot of negativity on this thread.
Lets wait for officials.
Be optomistic. 1 million people is still a lot of people.
Ads havent suceeded in getting viewers to know when it started this year.
Its Viacom's 1st year in being incharge of all strategys
Etc etc.

[Beetlejuice]

Of course Channel 5 are going to say live feed figures were good, they aren't going to say anything negetive about their own show.

That series earned them a lot of good will from hardcore fans and it did well in the ratings. Most thought the show was finally heading in the right direction.

Also, they admitted to some of the mistakes they made last year. Hell, Emma looked bloody embarrassed by it all.


BB14 averaged slightly lower than bb13 until after the daley incident then ratings instantly went up. Cause and effect vs correlation here.

It does equal a more satisfied audience and it gives people on the forums more to discuss when it is on. That is bleeding obvious. These days the forums are dead.

BB14 ratings went up roughly around the time of Dexter/Gina going into the secret room, the Daley incident AND the return of the live coverage for 2 hours every night until the end of the series. One incident with Daley is not responsible for sustaining a 1.8+ million average from that point to series end. Other things the show was doing right contributed to that.

LF doesn't equal a high rating series

The most successful series of Big Brother have ALL had a 24/7 feed. The least successful on Channel 4 did not. The most successful series of the Channel 5 series had the most live coverage. Time and time again, on forums and in polls on fansites viewers have expressed their feelings on the importance of the live feed. Be like the producers though and put your fingers in your ears to the constant complaints by viewers about this and watch the show continue to keep people at a distance, making it impossible to get to know the housemates (and therefore to care about them) and watch the ratings remain low.


The executive producer of BB Canada understands the importance of it...

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bbcan/news/0323/bb-canada-executive-producer-emphasises-importance-of-big-brother-live-feeds-honest-true-accountable-uk-bbuk-controversy

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bbcan/news/0512/big-brother-canada-2-proves-a-ratings-smash

The problem with Big Brother UK is that it has lost all trust and seems such a slow, laborious, slodge compared to what it used to be.

[Jake.]

Big Brother: 1.01m (6.5%)

Doesn't include +1

[Beetlejuice]

It isn't going to get any better.

Everything the fans say they want (the live coverage/a better website) they ignore

Everything the fans say they want less of (information from outside; pointless twists; meddling with nominations; desperate attempts to contrive drama; evictions without public votes) they do more of, to the point that they've done all of those things within a week.

It used to be that you had 12 - 14 housemates that you could get to know and care about through watching a 24/7 feed when you wanted to, now you have 16 housemates with just one 45 minute HL show making it impossible to get to know most of them, difficult to care about them and therefore difficult to care about the show.


It is the most arse backwards programme on television.


Here's another thought... Rylan says he has a live feed. Emma probably has one as well. The producers obviously do. At some point the HMs will be voted into a secret room and have access to a live feed as well. Everyone has access to a live feed at some point except the viewers who have been asking for one for 5 years. Meanwhile Big Brother Canada gives their viewers five of them, free of charge.

[Jarrod]

It isn't going to get any better.

Everything the fans say the want (the live coverage/a better website) they ignore

Everything the fans say they want less of (information from outside; pointless twists; meddling with nominations; desperate attempts to contrive drama; evictions without public votes) they do more of, to the point that they've done all of those things within a week.

It used to be that you had 12 - 14 housemates that could get to know and care about through watching a 24/7 feed, now you have 16 housemates with just one 45 minute HL show making it impossible to get to know most of them, difficult to care about them and therefore difficult to care about the show.


It is the most arse backwards programme on television.

Take notice of the share, please. The share is pretty good and is actually higher than some Big Brother 15 ratings, even though the number is lower. It doesn't mean that the show isn't doing well, it means less people are watching TV. The share is perfectly fine and that's something that Channel 5 will look at.

Your argument about live feed is invalid. Big Brother 14's live feed tactic wasn't working and the show was averaging the same as Big Brother 13 until the incident with Daley where the ratings shot up. Live feed isn't viable as nobody has the time to sit around and watch the feeds anymore. This is why the live feed was axed from 5* - low ratings. You can argue it was during soaps etc but if some that bothered about the feed people would have watched it regardless.

Live feed was good, but even when Channel 4 reinstated it for the final series on the channel in 2010, the ratings still didn't go back to what they were. The ratings for Big Brother 9 were at 3.6, and even when the live feed was brought back the series struggled to get above 2.9 Million. Live feed isn't the answer to ratings, especially not now when we live in an age where people would rather use Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr etc. to contact and communicate. I personally don't have the time to sit and watch the Housemates on the feed, I appreciate the work that @bbuklive do, and I have them direct to my phone so I constantly know what's going on in the House.

The share for Big Brother this year is on par with every other series. Just because the rating is down, does not mean the share is any worse, in fact it's slowly improving.

[Will.]

The shares are good this year, some have better than Bb14

[Jay.]

It isn't going to get any better.

Everything the fans say they want (the live coverage/a better website) they ignore

Everything the fans say they want less of (information from outside; pointless twists; meddling with nominations; desperate attempts to contrive drama; evictions without public votes) they do more of, to the point that they've done all of those things within a week.

It used to be that you had 12 - 14 housemates that you could get to know and care about through watching a 24/7 feed when you wanted to, now you have 16 housemates with just one 45 minute HL show making it impossible to get to know most of them, difficult to care about them and therefore difficult to care about the show.


It is the most arse backwards programme on television.


Here's another thought... Rylan says he has a live feed. Emma probably has one as well. The producers obviously do. At some point the HMs will be voted into a secret room and have access to a live feed as well. Everyone has access to a live feed at some point except the viewers who have been asking for one for 5 years. Meanwhile Big Brother Canada gives their viewers five of them, free of charge.

don't watch it then.

[Beetlejuice]

Your argument about live feed is invalid. Big Brother 14's live feed tactic wasn't working and the show was averaging the same as Big Brother 13 until the incident with Daley where the ratings shot up.

How does that invalidate the live feed argument? You seem to be confused about the live coverage. First there were a couple of hours on from 7 pm during the soap operas. Of course that was not going to help the show.

Big Brother 14 saw a rise in its viewing figures with Dexter/Gina going into the secret room, the return of the live coverage and Daley doing what he did. But it sustained the 1.8+ million viewers it then had from that point onwards. It doesn't do that because of one incident.


Live feed isn't viable as nobody has the time to sit around and watch the feeds anymore. This is why the live feed was axed from 5* - low ratings.

The show was put on against soap operas. Of course no one watched it. Anyone with two working brain cells knew it wouldn't be watched. The fact is live from the hosue at a later time has had higher figures than BOTS.


You can argue it was during soaps etc but if some that bothered about the feed people would have watched it regardless.

The feed is about giving people a closer and more informed look at the housemates and what is going on in the house. By giving us that we get to know the housemates better and care more about the show. Like people used to when it had a 24/7 feed

The share for Big Brother this year is on par with every other series. Just because the rating is down, does not mean the share is any worse, in fact it's slowly improving.

In other words, the figures are awful, so let's talk about the share instead. Look, all you ened to do is compare Big Brother Canada to the set up of ours... The difference is night and day, and ours just looks uninspired. And the viewing figures reflect that.

[Beetlejuice]

don't watch it then.

Guess what? Many are not.

[Jay.]

Guess what? Many are not.

i couldn't care less, it's secured for 3 more years and i'm enjoying it.

i do not see the point of constantly moaning about something you don't like. stop watching it then, why put yourself through all of this stress?

[Jarrod]

How does that invalidate the live feed argument? You seem to be confused about the live feed. First there were a couple of hours on from 7 pm during the soap operas. Of course that was not going to help the show.

Big Brother 14 saw a rise in its viewing figures with Dexter/Gina going into the secret room, the return of the live coverage and Daley doing what he did. But it sustained the 1.8+ million viewers it then had from that point onwards. it doesn't do that because of one incident.

The show was put on against soap operas. Of course no one watch it. Anyone with two working brain cells knew it wouldn't be watched. The fact is live from the hosue at a later time has had higher figures than BOTS.

The feed is about giving people a closer and more informed look at the housemates and what is going on in the house. By giving us that we get to know the housemates better and care more about the show. Like they used to when it had a 24/7 feed

In other words, the figures are awful, so let's talk about the share instead.

I'm not confused about live feed. I've been covering Big Brother intensely since its move to Channel 5 in 2011, I think I know what I'm talking about. The live feed would have been watched by Big Brother fans regardless of what time it was on, if they thought that much of it. I know I watched it when it was there, but that was only because It was there and on in the background, and even that wasn't enough to save it from being axed.

Big Brother 14's ratings rise was because of events that happened WITHIN the house, that wasn't due to the live coverage. It's the same for Celebrity Big Brother. When Jeremy was removed for example, the ratings shot up. Live coverage does not create viewing figures, not anymore.

Live from the House doesn't always have higher figures than BOTS. It does well, but that's because it's on at midnight and is the only episode of the week. If there was more in the week, people wouldn't watch that often. It's a fact now unfortunately and that's something we need to deal with.

The feed would be cut off at every opportunity because they won't show anything interesting so they can save the most interesting bits for the highlights show. You wouldn't get anything from it now, even BBCAN - which you insist on arguing about - cuts off for the interesting bits/tasks. Yes, let's talk about the shares instead because they are what Channel 5 will look at. All TV ratings are down on average, not just Big Brother. A share for a channel is what is assessed at the end of the year and that'll go in Channel 5's favour - especially how well Big Brother does in the shares for them.

[Beetlejuice]

i couldn't care less, it's secured for 3 more years and i'm enjoying it.

i do not see the point of constantly moaning about something you don't like. stop watching it then, why put yourself through all of this stress?

I like the original format of the show. And I would like for the people running the show to get their heads out of their arses and try to make it a better show. They are not going to do that with everyone crawling up their backsides with them.

I am not stressed at all. I am just pointing out the sheer idiocy of the production team and everything that is wrong with the show. This being an interactive show that lives or dies on viewer involvement, it makes sense for people who likes the show but are dissatisfied with the product being delivered to say so.

[Jarrod]

Guess what? Many are not.

Not true in fact. Big Brother has an extremely large online following, with viewers in countries around the world that the overnight unofficial ratings don't take into account. Even the official figures don't take them into account.

[Jay.]

I like the original format of the show. And I would like for the people running the show to get their heads out of their arses and try to make it a better show. They are not going to do that with everyone crawling up their backsides with them.

I am not stressed at all. I am just pointing out the sheer idiocy of the production team and everything that is wrong with the show. This being an interactive show that lives or dies on viewer involvement, it makes sense for people who likes the show but are dissatisfied with the product being delivered to say so.

tell them that then :fan:

[Beetlejuice]

The feed would be cut off at every opportunity because they won't show anything interesting so they can save the most interesting bits for the highlights show.

The feed is about getting to know the housemates better and caring about them. Something you cannot do when there are 16 of them and only 45 minutes worth of HLs a night. The figures are appalling, the forums are dead, the website is awful and year after year they continue to treat the viewers with contempt, pushing them further and further away.


You wouldn't get anything from it now, even BBCAN - which you insist on arguing about - cuts off for the interesting bits/tasks. Yes, let's talk about the shares instead because they are what Channel 5 will look at. All TV ratings are down on average, not just Big Brother. A share for a channel is what is assessed at the end of the year and that'll go in Channel 5's favour - especially how well Big Brother does in the shares for them.[/B]

It doesn't do nearly as well as it could. And this is only the first week. The figures will drop further unless they do something and the share will go down. People are becoming increasingly disillusioned with it. And that is because everything people ask for they do the opposite. It is shockingly poor. Shoddy and cheap.

[Beetlejuice]

Not true in fact. Big Brother has an extremely large online following, with viewers in countries around the world that the overnight unofficial ratings don't take into account. Even the official figures don't take them into account.

Yeah, right.
:laugh:

[Jarrod]

The feed is about getting to know the hosuemates better and caring about them. Something you cannot do when there are 16 of them and only 45 minutes worth of HLs a night. The figures are appalling, the forums are dead, the website is awful and year after year they continue to treat the viewers with contempt, pushing them further and further away.

It doesn't do nearly as well as it could. And this is only the first week. The figures will drop further unless they do something and the share will go down. People are becoming increasingly disillusioned with it. And that is because everything people ask for they do the opposite. It is shockingly poor.

The forums aren't dead, there is plenty of buzz and activity and is the same as the past couple of years, so I don't know how you can say that. The way you go on it's like you want the show to fail. Do you think Channel 4 would run back and take the show into their arms like it's their long lost baby if they had the chance? They AXED your show, and Channel 5 has given it a new lease of life that I think its viable.

The figures are not what Channel 5 will look at, nor will any other broadcaster, it's the share. At the end of the year, the channel shares are what are taken into consideration and Big Brother is still bringing 7-9% share to the Channel which is higher than the average 4%

The figures won't drop that far, they have a consistent solid viewership that follow the show around. If you're a fan of the show, at least try and support it. If you don't like it, move on and don't watch it. There is no point in slamming a show that you are a "fan" of. Big Brother does well for Channel 5, and is going nowhere until 2018. With that in mind, just accept the show and carry on. We have another three years of Big Brother yet, at least.

[Jay.]

just to end this little discussion -

Only die hard fans ever watched the live feeds, all the casual viewers they've lost over the years only ever watched odd bits of it.

Therefore, only the diehards scrutinise the format and twists, the casual viewers (the majority) could not care less and actually enjoy the show.

Hardly anyone watches the hour of live feed after evictions, so let's just leave it there shall we. If you really care, go write an email about it.

[Jarrod]

Yeah, right.
:laugh:

Well, clearly I'm correct because you can't even pull an argument up to debate it.

[Beetlejuice]

The forums aren't dead, there is plenty of buzz and activity and is the same as the past couple of years, so I don't know how you can say that.

You must be blind if you think there is a buzz on the forums. Either that or you just don't remember how things used to be when the forums were busy throughout the day as people watched things unfold thanks to a 24/7 feed.


The way you go on it's like you want the show to fail. Do you think Channel 4 would run back and take the show into their arms like it's their long lost baby if they had the chance? They AXED your show, and Channel 5 has given it a new lease of life that I think its viable.

Channel 5 dug a show up from the grave and rather than give it a new lease of life, they have had it stumbling around like something out of the Walking Dead for 5 years. I don't want it to fail, but it will fail the more they ignore what the viewers have been asking for for years and continue to do the exact opposite. Any business that acted that way would go bankrupt.

The figures are not what Channel 5 will look at, nor will any other broadcaster, it's the share. At the end of the year, the channel shares are what are taken into consideration and Big Brother is still bringing 7-9% share to the Channel which is higher than the average 4%

The figures won't drop that far, they have a consistent solid viewership that follow the show around.

All I see is disillusionment and people talking about turning off. The one thing they don't do much of is talk about what is happening on the show or the housemates. Why? Because they have no idea what's going on throughout the day whereas they used to be able to keep up with it and discuss it whenever they wanted to.


If you're a fan of the show, at least try and support it. If you don't like it, move on and don't watch it. There is no point in slamming a show that you are a "fan" of. Big Brother does well for Channel 5, and is going nowhere until 2018. With that in mind, just accept the show and carry on. We have another three years of Big Brother yet, at least.

I would give up if I wasn't a fan of the show, which I am getting ever closer to doing. This is an interactive show that I want to see do better. It will not do that if people just act like everything is alright with it. Nothing ever improves when people just accept a subpar product.

[Beetlejuice]

just to end this little discussion -

Only die hard fans ever watched the live feeds, all the casual viewers they've lost over the years only ever watched odd bits of it.

Yes, that's true. You can't expect any person to watch 24/7. But the point is that when different people watch throughout the day, they get to know the housemates better and begin to care about them. We are entering into week 2 and they have made it difficult to get to know any of them because (1) there's too many HMs and (2) only one 45 minute HL show.

Therefore, only the diehards scrutinise the format and twists, the casual viewers (the majority) could not care less and actually enjoy the show

The amount of viewers drops every year. Back when this show understood what it was that worked about the format it did extremely well. Infact, almost everything that has ever gone wrong with the show has been because of producers interfering with the basic format. A format Channel 5 have never ever tried.

Hardly anyone watches the hour of live feed after evictions, so let's just leave it there shall we. If you really care, go write an email about it.

If you can't discuss what's wrong with the show on a Big Brother forum, where else can you discuss that? I've also mentioned how appallingly bad the website is as well. And no one can deny that.

[Jarrod]

You must be blind if you think there is a buzz on the forums. Either that or you just don't remember how things used to be when the forums were busy throughout the day as people watched things unfold thanks to a 24/7 feed.

Channel 5 dug a show up from the grave and rather than give it a new lease of life, they have had it stumbling around like something out of the Walking Dead for 5 years. I don't want it to fail, but it will fail the more they ignore what the viewers have been asking for for years and continue to do the exact opposite. Any business that acted that way would go bankrupt.

All I see is disillusionment and people talking about turning off. The one thing they don't do much of is talk about what is happening on the show or the housemates. Why? Because they have no idea what's going on throughout the day whereas they used to be able to keep up with it and discuss it whenever they wanted to.

I would give up if I wasn't a fan of the show, which I am getting ever closer to doing. This is an interactive show that I want to see do better. It will not do that if people just act like everything is alright with it. Nothing ever improves when people just accept a subpar product.

I've been a member of this forum for five years in December, and I've seen the forums even quieter than this during Big Brother. All this sounds to me is that you're annoyed there is no feed, and that you're failing to notice the positive impact the show has had on Channel 5. You're looking at everything negative.

Big Brother is the most talked about show on social media day after day, and that's a massive thing. Behind The X Factor, Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother were the two most talked about shows in 2013 and 2014. Disillusionment is what you have, my friend. You're failing to see that Big Brother is now a show that revolved around social media. We are in a completely different era to what we had on Channel 4. Big Brother now relies on social media to keep it alive.

Big Brother now uses social media to interact with fans, which everyone is moving with. We aren't "accepting a subpar product". We're happy with the series. This year feels so much more natural and interesting than what we've had recently and it's refreshing. This series is the best we've had in five years and I'm extremely proud of the show for managing to continue for 15 years - something that most shows cannot accomplish.

[Beetlejuice]

I've been a member of this forum for five years in December, and I've seen the forums even quieter than this during Big Brother. All this sounds to me is that you're annoyed there is no feed, and that you're failing to notice the positive impact the show has had on Channel 5. You're looking at everything negative.

I have praised the show for heading in the right direction with Big Brother 14. Unfortunately, last years show was a debacle. I thought that with a new owner, maybe Channel 5 along with the producers would turn it around and build on the positive feedback it got for the BB14 series. But it hasn't. Everything I disliked about the show is back this year only it's even more desperate and uninspired.

Big Brother is the most talked about show on social media day after day, and that's a massive thing. Behind The X Factor, Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother were the two most talked about shows in 2013 and 2014. Disillusionment is what you have, my friend. You're failing to see that Big Brother is now a show that revolved around social media. We are in a completely different era to what we had on Channel 4. Big Brother now relies on social media to keep it alive.

Social media is a 24/7 activity. Do you not see how a 24/7 feed lends itself well to that? Can you imagine the reaction on twitter to fight night during BB5? The amount of people going to the DS forums to talk about it that night caused the whole site to crash. In doing away with the live feed they have turned their backs on all the opportunities it gives them with new social media activities such as twitter. What they have given us instead are twitter updates that tell us bugger all and finish when the housemates are still up.


Big Brother now uses social media to interact with fans, which everyone is moving with. We aren't "accepting a subpar product". We're happy with the series.

Most people are not.


This year feels so much more natural and interesting than what we've had recently and it's refreshing. This series is the best we've had in five years and I'm extremely proud of the show for managing to continue for 15 years - something that most shows cannot accomplish.

How is it more natural? A person has been evicted without a public vote. There has already been meddling with the nominations. Free passes have been handed out. People are being asked to vote in polls when they don't even know what they're voting for. The housemates have been given information from outside. The website is awful. How can anyone think that that is anything but shoddy?

[Jarrod]

I have praised the show for heading in the right direction with Big Brother 14. Unfortunately, last years show was a debacle. I thought that with a new owner, maybe Channel 5 along with the producers would turn it around and build on the positive feedback it got for the BB14 series. But it hasn't. Everything I disliked about the show is back this year only it's even more desperate and uninspired.

Social media is a 24/7 activity. Do you not see how a 24/7 feed lends itself well to that? Can you imagine the reaction on twitter to fight night during BB5? The amount of people going to the DS forums to talk about it that night caused the whole site to crash. In doing away with the live feed they have turned their backs on all the opportunities it gives them with new social media activities such as twitter. What they have given us instead are twitter updates that tell us bugger all and finish when the housemates are still up.

Most people are not.

How is it more natural? A person has been evicted without a public vote. There has already been meddling with the nominations. Free passes have been handed out. People are being asked to vote in polls when they don't even know what they're voting for. The housemates have been given information from outside. The website is awful. How can anyone think that that is anything but shoddy?

I don't have time to keep arguing this. Channel 5 make mistakes last year we all know that. Viacom took over the channel and their influence will only start taking effect soon. Channel 5 are just getting rid of the old commissioned stuff. They're being rebranded towards the end of the year too, and I'm expecting Big Brother to get rebranded with the channel.

[Beetlejuice]

I don't have time to keep arguing this. Channel 5 make mistakes last year we all know that. Viacom took over the channel and their influence will only start taking effect soon. Channel 5 are just getting rid of the old commissioned stuff. They're being rebranded towards the end of the year too, and I'm expecting Big Brother to get rebranded with the channel.

Right. But if it is going to get a makeover, I want people involved to know what some of us have been hanging on for, for years. If I didn't want the show to succeed I would just give up on it altogether.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It isn't going to get any better.

Everything the fans say they want (the live coverage/a better website) they ignore

Everything the fans say they want less of (information from outside; pointless twists; meddling with nominations; desperate attempts to contrive drama; evictions without public votes) they do more of, to the point that they've done all of those things within a week.

It used to be that you had 12 - 14 housemates that you could get to know and care about through watching a 24/7 feed when you wanted to, now you have 16 housemates with just one 45 minute HL show making it impossible to get to know most of them, difficult to care about them and therefore difficult to care about the show.


It is the most arse backwards programme on television.


Here's another thought... Rylan says he has a live feed. Emma probably has one as well. The producers obviously do. At some point the HMs will be voted into a secret room and have access to a live feed as well. Everyone has access to a live feed at some point except the viewers who have been asking for one for 5 years. Meanwhile Big Brother Canada gives their viewers five of them, free of charge.

Ive had to say something here now because your rants about live feed are getting on my nerves,

Yes Live Feed would boost ratings in my opinion but can you please stop ranting and raving about it over and over every post is the same from you now.

How about start a thread so you can discuss it and stop clogging up the ratings thread with constant bashing for zero live feed.

[Beetlejuice]

Ive had to say something here now because your rants about live feed are getting on my nerves,

Yes Live Feed would boost ratings in my opinion but can you please stop ranting and raving about it over and over every post is the same from you now.

How about start a thread so you can discuss it and stop clogging up the ratings thread with constant bashing for zero live feed.

A ratings thread seems like the place to discuss it to me, seeing as I believe it to be one part (and only one part) of the problem contributing to the poor figures.

[JohnnyBB]

Oh no this is awfull

[Rob!]

Simple fact of the matter is we haven't got sport or anything to blame for these ratings. Simple disinterest in the civilian format is the only reason. No amount of live feed is going to change that. It's only the hardcore viewers that watch it anyway. Have we even had any ratings released for the live feed we've had this series?
It's a shame because it's a good series so far - it feels different because it's not screaming and slanging matches yet, which the previous series have been.

[Beetlejuice]

Simple fact of the matter is we haven't got sport or anything to blame for these ratings. Simple disinterest in the civilian format is the only reason. No amount of live feed is going to change that. It's only the hardcore viewers that watch it anyway. Have we even had any ratings released for the live feed we've had this series?
It's a shame because it's a good series so far - it feels different because it's not screaming and slanging matches yet, which the previous series have been.

I know people who would be described as casual viewers who would watch it later on when there was nothing else on and often through the day. Obviously it's never going to be a massive amount at one moment during the day, but the total of individuals who used to watch throughout the day would probably have been high and in doing so they would be much more involved in the show. I remember when I was very young, friends and I would come home and stick it on and leave it on like you have the radio on in the
background.

There is a disconnect between the viewers and the show (and there are reasons for that beyond the live feed). That isn't there with the Celeb series because people already know the HMs to some extent. When you put 16 fresh faces in and only have 45 minutes a night - a lot of which is spent on stupid twists - it's difficult to get to know any of them. If you don't know or care about the HMs the show is going to struggle. That just seems obvious to me. I would know the name of every housemate within 2 days and have a good sense of how I would feel about most of them. Nowadays, unless its someone pushing themselves forward like Helen, I never feel like I know them.

[billy123]

I know people who would be described as casual viewers who would watch it later on when there was nothing else on and often through the day. Obviously it's never going to be a massive amount at one moment during the day, but the total of individuals who used to watch throughout the day would probably have been high and in doing so they would be much more involved in the show. I remember when I was very young, friends and I would come home and stick it on and leave it on like you have the radio on in the
background.

There is a disconnect between the viewers and the show (and there are reasons for that beyond the live feed). That isn't there with the Celeb series because people already know the HMs to some extent. When you put 16 fresh faces in and only have 45 minutes a night - a lot of which is spent on stupid twists - it's difficult to get to know any of them. If you don't know or care about the HMs the show is going to struggle. That just seems obvious to me. I would know the name of every housemate within 2 days and have a good sense of how I would feel about most of them. Nowadays, unless its someone pushing themselves forward like Helen, I never feel like I know them.
I appreciate your posts Beetlejuice unfortunately there are a lot of confused people on this forum that are so desperate to cling on to the shell of big brother that we see now that they would try and defend it no matter how bad things get.
They are doing it out of misguided loyalty which is honourable of them but their is no doubt you are are correct.

This thing barely resembles BB anymore and it hasnt since live feed 24/7 was axed there is only one direction the show is headed and it makes me sad to see C5 wring every drop of blood out of it before they toss it aside like a grotty rag.
I gave up arguing the case ages ago.
It saddens me to see how accepting the "fans" have become.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Big Brother: 1.01m (6.5%)

Doesn't include +1

:hehe:

[JohnnyBB]

1.08M Includeing +1

[crazycolaist]

As I said still million people still ALOT of people. UK Populatiom 70mil. US is 310mil. Thats around 4.3 fourfold.
BB16 US got 7 million with a country of 310million if you do a forefold on that compared to UK You'll get around 1.5-2.5million.
Think the BBUK team just need a overhaul if they havent recently. BBUS is growing no reason for UK to not follow trends etc. the US BB has dipped to 6million. Thats a 1.5 mil fourfold compare to UK. It really doesnt seem that bad as reality TV is dying thanks to Netflix etc.

[Luke_Thomas_Patton]

I'm really holding out on the official figures. Myself and many others never watch TV live, I work until midnight most nights so I always record it. BB10 had awful viewing figures for the first 4 weeks but grew and grew throughout. It's been a slow start but I'm really warming to this series.

[ruiphillips]

Great to see this awful series get these ratings. Channel 5 have ruined BB.

[Will.]

Hopefully it did decent last night, brilliant highlight show, really loving this series! :cheer2:

[Jamesy]

I doubt it will be much different last night. Now if those of us who watched it post on social media about how great an ep it was word could spread around and improve tonights ratings.

[*mazedsalv**]

Seems like great episodes do make a difference. First of all, the 9pm show got 1.03m, which is low and only 20k up on the night before BUT as people were talking more about how good it was on social media, it picked up 144k on +1, the highest +1 showing of the series (launch got 130k). So, with +1 last night got 1.17m.

Not great but 90k up on the night before. Hopefully further rises tonight and for the eviction which I'm hoping is around 1.3m.

[Will.]

Seems like great episodes do make a difference. First of all, the 9pm show got 1.03m, which is low and only 20k up on the night before BUT as people were talking more about how good it was on social media, it picked up 144k on +1, the highest +1 showing of the series (launch got 130k). So, with +1 last night got 1.17m.

Not great but 90k up on the night before. Hopefully further rises tonight and for the eviction which I'm hoping is around 1.3m.

Was it on a 9pm yesterday? I fell asleep strangely at 7:30, only wine to lie down! Thats a good +1 figure.

[*mazedsalv**]

Was it on a 9pm yesterday? I fell asleep strangely at 7:30, only wine to lie down! Thats a good +1 figure.

Nope. 10pm. It's certainly more impressive then as launch +1 started at 10pm, last night's +1 was at 11pm.

[Will.]

Nope. 10pm. It's certainly more impressive then as launch +1 started at 10pm, last night's +1 was at 11pm.

yeah, thats good! Hopefully it will continue to rise

[Jake.]

Not bad :clap1: 144k on +1 at 11 is a high rating

[Jamesy]

Great +1 rating, especially at 11pm! Hopefully tonight gets a rise given how positive people seem over last nights highlights.

[Beetlejuice]

It's amusing that people are applauding such a poor rating. The fact that it only got 1.03m on first showing just confirms the disillusionment people feel. It's very likely to drop below a million on a consistent basis soon.

As for it getting better figures thanks to social media spreading the word of a supposedly good episode (rather than the same people who enjoyed the episode watching it again), I suspect some new viewers may have been put off by the childish screaming.

But imagine social media spreading the word of things actually happening as they happen thanks to a live feed. Imagine the response to the BB5 and BB9 "Fight Nights" on twitter as it happened. Imagine the massive bust ups with Helen going out live. Things got quite busy just from them posting heavily edited videos after the event on the forums and twitter. Now though, I can't be bothered keeping up with things on their naff website, I don't even know if they're updating their youtube channel and the twitter feed is pretty much pointless. The show continues to be some sort of Frankenstein's Monster version of Big Brother.


Edit: Just checked the youtube channel. Last update 18 hours ago. And it's hardly been updated before that at all. Piss poor.

[Vanessa]

Normal BB doesn't get high ratings. Only CBB does, so if it stays like this it's fine. :)

[Beetlejuice]

Normal BB doesn't get high ratings. Only CBB does, so if it stays like this it's fine. :)

Normal BB could, if done right get over 2 million. There's no reason why it couldn't, given that CBB can get over 3 million. But 1.1 million is low compared to every other series of Big Brother, especially the one series they started heading in the right direction with, which was BB14. The problem with BB14 though is that they seemed to put its success down to the "Theme" (Secrets and Lies) and have stuck with that whilst discarding everything else. Once again getting everything arse backwards.

[Jamesy]

Edit: Just checked the youtube channel. Last update 18 hours ago. And it's hardly been updated before that at all. Piss poor.

It was confirmed last year I think that they won't add stuff to YouTube anymore. If people want videos they have to go on the official website. YouTube just gets the 'main' videos uploaded now.

[Beetlejuice]

It was confirmed last year I think that they won't add stuff to YouTube anymore. If people want videos they have to go on the official website. YouTube just gets the 'main' videos uploaded now.

Ah, okay. You'd think they'd put some effort into making a better website then. But thinking these people would put some effort into anything other than new ways of making the housemates scream loudly is asking a bit much.

[Rob!]

It's amusing that people are applauding such a poor rating. The fact that it only got 1.03m on first showing just confirms the disillusionment people feel. It's very likely to drop below a million on a consistent basis soon.

As for it getting better figures thanks to social media spreading the word of a supposedly good episode (rather than the same people who enjoyed the episode watching it again), I suspect some new viewers may have been put off by the childish screaming.

But imagine social media spreading the word of things actually happening as they happen thanks to a live feed. Imagine the response to the BB5 and BB9 "Fight Nights" on twitter as it happened. Imagine the massive bust ups with Helen going out live. Things got quite busy just from them posting heavily edited videos after the event on the forums and twitter. Now though, I can't be bothered keeping up with things on their naff website, I don't even know if they're updating their youtube channel and the twitter feed is pretty much pointless. The show continues to be some sort of Frankenstein's Monster version of Big Brother.


Edit: Just checked the youtube channel. Last update 18 hours ago. And it's hardly been updated before that at all. Piss poor.

Ok, not to sound like a dick but we get it - you want live feed. It's not coming back, mentioning it nearly every day in response to a rating isn't going to change that.

That is a really good +1 rating. Hopefully it'll mean some people at least stick around. This series deserves better.

[Vanessa]

Normal BB could, if done right get over 2 million. There's no reason why it couldn't, given that CBB can get over 3 million. But 1.1 million is low compared to every other series of Big Brother, especially the one series they started heading in the right direction with, which was BB14. The problem with BB14 though is that they seemed to put its success down to the "Theme" (Secrets and Lies) and have stuck with that whilst discarding everything else. Once again getting everything arse backwards.

It could do better, but so far it's not bad.

[Beetlejuice]

Ok, not to sound like a dick but we get it - you want live feed. It's not coming back, mentioning it nearly every day in response to a rating isn't going to change that.

The arguments must continue to be made because it is the truth about why the show is and always will fail.

That is a really good +1 rating. Hopefully it'll mean some people at least stick around. This series deserves better.

This series does not deserve better. The show doesn't deserve better. The people making it don't deserve better. It is now closing in on the sub-1 million viewing figures it has always deserved.

[Rob!]

The arguments must continue to be made because it is the truth about why the show is and always will fail.



This series does not deserve better. The show doesn't deserve better. The people making it don't deserve better. It is now closing in on the sub-1 million viewing figures it has always deserved.

And you still watch it because...?

[Beetlejuice]

And you still watch it because...?

I enjoy watching things endure a slow painful death

[Rob!]

I enjoy watching things endure a slow painful death

Right well Digital Spy might be more your type of place. Most of the people here quite like the show. I know, twats the lot of us.

[Jay.]

Right well Digital Spy might be more your type of place. Most of the people here quite like the show. I know, twats the lot of us.

:clap2:

[Loukas]

Right well Digital Spy might be more your type of place. Most of the people here quite like the show. I know, twats the lot of us.

:clap1:

[Brother Leon]

Great to see this awful series get these ratings. Channel 5 have ruined BB.

It was dead way before they even touched it. Be thankful they are trying to save it for you.

[Beetlejuice]

Right well Digital Spy might be more your type of place.

I was banned from there years ago.

Most of the people here quite like the show. I know, twats the lot of us.

There aren't that many people here going by the inactivity of the forum throughout the day. And the reason they continue to get away with such a poor version of BB as well as the shoddy production values is partly because more people don't voice their disillusionment with it all. I like the show as it is meant to be, but the fact is they are destroying it and will continue to do so as long as people kid themselves that it is worthy of defending.

[Beetlejuice]

It was dead way before they even touched it. Be thankful they are trying to save it for you.

If this is them trying to save it I'd hate to see them trying to kill it off. Then again, they are so inept maybe that would finally bring it back to life.

[Jamesy]

Right well Digital Spy might be more your type of place. Most of the people here quite like the show. I know, twats the lot of us.

:joker:

[Jamesy]

The arguments must continue to be made because it is the truth about why the show is and always will fail.

While I agree with your views constantly rambling about the same thing in every post isn't going to do anything. It isn't going to improve the show, improve the ratings, improve the quality of Big Brother or move the show back to C4. All it does is make you sound like a broken record, annoy a lot of members on here and then eventually people will probably start reporting your posts since it's near spamming now.

Sorry to be so blunt but your constant moaning is just going to get you on a lot of peoples ignore lists eventually.

[RichardG]

There aren't that many people here going by the inactivity of the forum throughout the day. And the reason they continue to get away with such a poor version of BB as well as the shoddy production values is partly because more people don't voice their disillusionment with it all. I like the show as it is meant to be, but the fact is they are destroying it and will continue to do so as long as people kid themselves that it is worthy of defending.

In the first couple of years of Channel 5's takeover, forum members on here and particularly DS bombarded the show with literally thousands and thousands of angry emails about how much live feed is needed, and moaned more than enough on the forums about the editing, producer manipulation, silly twists and so on, and still continue to do so. If they had any interest at all in taking on board everything the people want/returning in the direction of "the good old days" then they would have done so long before now.

I'm sure almost everyone on here would rather we had live feed, less producer manipulation, less silly twists and so on, and it's great to sometimes discuss this - that's the point of a forum. But if we were to all 'voice our disillusionment'/complain every single day in the same way then this forum would really be very negative place to be :laugh:

[Beetlejuice]

In the first couple of years of Channel 5's takeover, forum members on here and particularly DS bombarded the show with literally thousands and thousands of angry emails about how much live feed is needed, and moaned more than enough on the forums about the editing, producer manipulation, silly twists and so on, and still continue to do so. If they had any interest at all in taking on board everything the people want/returning in the direction of "the good old days" then they would have done so long before now.

I guess some people thought it was worth trying again with new owners of the channel.

I'm sure almost everyone on here would rather we had live feed, less producer manipulation, less silly twists and so on, and it's great to sometimes discuss this - that's the point of a forum. But if we were to all 'voice our disillusionment'/complain every single day in the same way then this forum would really be very negative place to be :laugh:

As opposed to the dead place it is throughout the day.

[Beetlejuice]

While I agree with your views constantly rambling about the same thing in every post isn't going to do anything.

It's not the only thing I post about. But the show is so awful people don't want to talk about other things (there's nothing else to say). They just want to attack me for pointing out what's wrong with it.

It isn't going to improve the show

It will if the truth of what is being said is recognized.


improve the ratings, improve the quality of Big Brother or move the show back to C4.

I don't want it back on Channel 4. I think the decline of the show began on Channel 4. I want the show to be better than it was, which it can still be.


All it does is make you sound like a broken record, annoy a lot of members on here and then eventually people will probably start reporting your posts since it's near spamming now.

Sorry to be so blunt but your constant moaning is just going to get you on a lot of peoples ignore lists eventually.

Right, so just as the show itself puts its fingers in its ear to the complaints, the people on the forums that are for discussing the show want to do the same. It is no wonder this show is well on its way to being buried all over again. The accepting nature of people even to the point that they will shine **** and call it gold is amazing.

[jackc1806]

Big Brother: 0.96m (6.0%) :umm2:

Without +1

[jackc1806]

Share indicates it was a low rating night, but awful numbers

[Rob!]

Bang goes the theory that the task would hold on to viewers :facepalm:

[ruiphillips]

LMFAO this series is the pits.

[Rob!]

It really was a low rating night last night.

If it makes anybody feel any better, Eastenders was against an hour long Emmerdale and only got 4.59m :umm2:

[Jamesy]

It will get worse this weekend what with Eurovision so doubt these next few days will be that pretty with ratings.

[Jamesy]

Oh and bgt live shows from Monday. Big Brother ratings are going to be awful the next week

[Rob!]

Next Friday especially - it's against Corrie and BGT :umm2:

[Beetlejuice]

I'm just waiting for people to explain this by saying something like "The format is obviously tired". Nope, the problem is you've never even bothered with the format of Big Brother and after 5 years people have finally given up on you.

[Rob!]

I'm just waiting for people to explain this by saying something like "The format is obviously tired". Nope, the problem is you've never even bothered with the format of Big Brother and after 5 years people have finally given up on you.

Yay, you're here, now the party can really get started.

[RichardG]

It's a shame, after January's CBB did so well on the ratings I had hoped we would see a bit of an improvement this year, not a drop. :laugh:

[Jamesy]

Well hopefully in June we will see a rise in figures. I think it was a mistake for them to air Big Brother earlier this year. They could have just kept the gap inbetween the series and let the summer CBB end in October instead.

[jackc1806]

Well hopefully in June we will see a rise in figures. I think it was a mistake for them to air Big Brother earlier this year. They could have just kept the gap inbetween the series and let the summer CBB end in October instead.

Wish they'd **** off summer CBB. But I understand why they have it.

I agree though, no promotion and REALLY early start. Surprised it's doing 1m. Share is okay though.

[Rob!]

Well hopefully in June we will see a rise in figures. I think it was a mistake for them to air Big Brother earlier this year. They could have just kept the gap inbetween the series and let the summer CBB end in October instead.

Tbh I can't see it. Would you tune into a series of BB if you'd missed the first month?
The only thing we've got to cling onto that this series hasn't been a complete disaster ratings wise is the officials coming out next week :worry:

[crazycolaist]

Yay, you're here, now the party can really get started.

Reality TV is dying, Nothing to do with the actual format of BB.

[Jamesy]

Tbh I can't see it. Would you tune into a series of BB if you'd missed the first month?
The only thing we've got to cling onto that this series hasn't been a complete disaster ratings wise is the officials coming out next week :worry:

Probably not no. Although casual viewers can be weird with Big Brother. Just look at sharp rises we have got with some of the latest series.

I think now because Big Brother is more of an entertainment show you can pop in and out as you please without being lost with what has gone on. So casual viewers probably have more a tendency to switch it on half way through. Although I'm just guessing, I have nothing to back this all up.

I agree though the official figures are the final thing we can cling on to for now.

[JohnnyBB]

Bb never sinks to these lows throughout the week somthing serious is going on

[Beetlejuice]

Reality TV is dying, Nothing to do with the actual format of BB.

It's everything to do with the format. Year after year they've been told. And they've just carried on and the viewers have become more and more disillusioned with it. It's blindingly obvious that they will not watch a show that does not allow them to get to know the characters on it beyond the most superficial level. How can you care about them?

It used to be 12 - 14 people entering a house, 24/7 live coverage to help familiarize yourself with them, get a good sense of who they are, and begin to like some and dislike others. Now you get 16 housemates, no live coverage and just one 45 minute HL show half of which is clogged up with pointless twists and moronic tasks which are more about humiliating them than revealing anything about them.

The website is crap. The twitter updates are useless. It is an interactive show and a brick wall has been built up between it and the fans. Terrible.

[Rob!]

It's everything to do with the format. Year after year they've been told. And they've just carried on and the viewers have become more and more disillusioned with it. It's blindingly obvious that they will not watch a show that does not allow them to get to know the characters on it beyond the most superficial level. How can you care about them?

It used to be 12 - 14 people entering a house, 24/7 live coverage to help familiarize yourself with them, get a good sense of who they are, and begin to like some and dislike others. Now you get 16 housemates, no live coverage and just one 45 minute HL show half of which is clogged up with pointless twists and moronic tasks which are more about humiliating them than revealing anything about them.

The website is crap. The twitter updates are useless. It is an interactive show and a brick wall has been built up between it and the fans. Terrible.


And yet you take the time every day to come into a forum and to bitch about a show you apparently have nothing positive to say about?
Here's an idea, go tell the producers. Go tell Endomol. Cause nobody here can do anything about it.

[Babayaro.]

Getting a real sense of déjà vu here

[Beetlejuice]

And yet you take the time every day to come into a forum and to bitch about a show you apparently have nothing positive to say about?

I have plenty of positive things to say about what the show once was and could easily be again. I also speak positively about BB14, the only series Channel 5 did that showed any sign of them moving in the right direction.

Here's an idea, go tell the producers. Go tell Endomol. Cause nobody here can do anything about it.

This is a forum for discussing Big Brother. Both the good and the bad.

[mrmattybeck1]

I think civilian bb needs resting cbb is still very strong ripbb :(

[Rob!]

Has the +1 not been released yet?

[Locke.]

Has the +1 not been released yet?

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[Rob!]

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....are you serious?

[Blog Rider]

Do you think this site should move away from Big Brother and focus on content that actually would make money and traffic?

[Jake.]

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Not bad for 11PM

[jackc1806]

It's important to remind people 1000 people in the country determine what the ratings are with special BARB boxes. Officials are much more accurate and what C5 will be looking at

[Rob!]

Sorry - is that +1 real? It got no viewers on +1 whatsoever? :umm2:

[VanessaFeltz.]

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:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

[aman201]

lol.